Posted November 06, 2015
Listen, I know we’re not lynching the Captain Today. I know there’s no chance of that. But we have a long way to go, and this needs to be organized now while there’s still opportunity for me to organize it.
RWarehall: Not sure why anyone would choose me, but whomever gets to make the choice should not choose me for a Finickiness task... 
QuadrAlien: A set of names appear on screen, giving a provisional team to face the Teslascarab.
2x STR: JMich, RWarehall
2x FIN: McHack, DedopornoRWarehall: Very interesting...
I either feel honored...or else someone is trying to get me killed...
I guess that's the same thing if one were a Klingon. Deliberately misleads the group into thinking he didn’t pick the teams. Piles it on with a bunch more posts after that.
RWarehall: And again, for any cops out there, please don't waste it on confirming a townie. Don't listen to Agent. It helps us far more to discover an actual scum. And a less beneficial side-effect to a "miss" is you always confirm a townie...
Agent's advice is bad advice...find the scum...save the cheerleader! Gives instructions to Scum team not to investigate agent.
RWarehall: Well, you are missing some. Ok, you want to know what my plan was...
I wanted you all to bring me to L-1, so I could vote myself and even up the game a bit.
Quite frankly, I can't play this game any more, for exactly the reasons mentioned here...
Because Vitek, even with his list missed others who are basically confirmed.
Do you see how many names are on that list? And when I add the ones he missed, then add the couple people who I think are town, I've already pretty much got the scum team pinned down...on day 1...all because of PM madness...
There is no way scum can win, because there is no way they can eliminate the confirmed town before they themselves are eliminated. The first appearance of the “This game is already broken and Town can’t lose” assertion.
RWarehall: Fine, I guess we finish the broken game...I'll retract my request to be lynched...
If I were to guess the likely 4 scum:
Crewdogg
Flub
HijacK
Yogsloth Game is “broken” again. Gives his Scum list. Crew/wyrm is on it, and so am I. How do you guys feel about it, flub and HijacK?
RWarehall: Flubbucket – a veteran, not very helpful so far. I do question whether this spat with Yogsloth is real or staged. Obviously if real, then they both can't be scum. Accuses flub and I of being scum due to “staged spat”. I recall no such spat.
RWarehall: As to the list, I feel its more a living list. It's certainly not set in stone. If those "confirmed" start taking scummy actions, it can be reassessed. The term "confirmed" is always a misnomer in these games anywhere. Game is suddenly not quite so broken, and he now has his “out”, in case he lynches people and they flip Town.
RWarehall: History will tell of my gambit this day...
The intruders will have to think...
Is this a trap? Is this not a trap but appears as one in the hopes the intruders second-guess themselves? Or maybe I anticipate this second-guessing and there really is a trap present? I could go on and on... Reveals his “gambit”, which presumably was lying about not being the team picker.
RWarehall: Second, while I certainly believe not all titles contain a particular word, this does not change that I believe aspects have broken as a result. Game is back to being broken again.
RWarehall: I have 8 people I strongly believed were town on day 1, that IS broken. And its still broken. Really the only way town could screw it up is by not lynching anyone...
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Vote Bookwyrm627 Game is now completely broken again. In the same breath, votes Bookwyrm.
I’ll skip the “HijacK made me ragequit, nah, I’m back” bit.
RWarehall: My biggest problem with Ixam's wagon are those who claim to be on board because he is willing to vote hop to the largest wagon. Truth be told, someone who is willing to lynch anyone and everyone is more likely town than scum. If we had more Ixams, we wouldn't have failed to lynch someone day 1. So Ix is so Town. Yeah, we’ll come back to this. Note that it was posted before he voted.
Next up is all the bits about how he can’t reveal his INT stat, because after claiming his title, role, abilities, and hinting at an extra power, listing his single INT stat would just tell the Scum too much information. Start with 2002 and just go down to about 2021.
RWarehall: Whatever. If town, it's another anti-town player going down...
A real town player will make their case to avoid being lynched and do what's best for town.
You were brought to L-1 because people thought you were scummy. You can plead how town you think you sounded, but scum can do that too.
End of the day, oh well, but if we lose because of town self-suicide stupidity, that doesn't prove me wrong.... The comment that set me off. Just killed the doctor, and doesn’t care, as long as we agree that doesn’t make him wrong.
RWarehall: Most people realize the truth. Namely, there should be no doubt. With my role, I just can't be scum. Else it would have been very easy to put the people with the lowest stats on every mission and make them fail while staying completely anonymous... The back-breaker, in my opinion. Not only is he demanding that we treat his role as “Innocent Child”, but he actually claims that Scum in his position would deliberately make it obvious they sabotaged by mis-assigning people. This has two massive and obvious problems:
1) The initial teams would be put together before role and stat claims. Scum wouldn’t know how to mis-assign people.
2) Once stats become known and claimed, how could Scum deliberately mis-place people? Wouldn’t that raise a red flag or two for the rest of us?
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Now let’s look closely at his final wagon record, in this “broken” game that Town can’t lose.
Day 2:
RWarehall: Well, I guess I could vote for the last person to jump off Ixam's wagon...
Unvote Bookwyrm
Vote Ixam
Now, let's at least here what he has to say...
I really don't think he's scum, but I wouldn't put third-party neutral past him. That puts him seventh on the wagon, as part of the zerg-rush to lynch Ix in the moments before the crisis resolution became known. This is after #1692 above, where he confirms how Town Ix is, and as you can see, the vote itself is a total non-sequitur. Moments later, drealmer comes in to hammer, and Ix is sewn up without a chance to talk and the crisis fails.
Day 3:
RWarehall: You know what is really interesting...
First, let's assume the killer is the same person each time...
So, we have an unaccounted for killer and an unaccounted for roleblocker....
And we have just 3 people who have not claimed nor claimed to be roleblocked...
Bookwyrm627, Yogsloth and CarrionCrow
Are both the killer and this other presumably scum roleblocker in this list?
Vote Bookwyrm627
The odds are seeming quite good... Jumps on at 4th position, pushing the wagon up to full speed, then celebrates all the way down the hill, even after it becomes obvious Wyrm has killed his Town self out of some kind of childish spite.
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RW has spent the entire game attempting to convince us it’s Broken in favor of Town win, and barely worth even playing anymore because of that. And then he’s personally shepherded two different Town lynches, overseen a failed crisis mission, and is absolutely demanding that he be beyond reproach simply due to his role and nothing else, no matter how he behaves or what his actual, verifiable results are, or if we’ve identified a single bad Scum at any point.
We’re in Day 4, and it’s looking more like a massacre for the other team than a broken win for Town.
We may not be lynching him Today. The margin of error has become too thin. But his play just has to be on the table for analysis. There is no Innocent Child in this game. And the stakes are just too high to give such a free pass when we should be doing the opposite, and paying as much attention as possible.
2x STR: JMich, RWarehall
2x FIN: McHack, Dedoporno
I either feel honored...or else someone is trying to get me killed...
I guess that's the same thing if one were a Klingon.
Agent's advice is bad advice...find the scum...save the cheerleader!
I wanted you all to bring me to L-1, so I could vote myself and even up the game a bit.
Quite frankly, I can't play this game any more, for exactly the reasons mentioned here...
Because Vitek, even with his list missed others who are basically confirmed.
Do you see how many names are on that list? And when I add the ones he missed, then add the couple people who I think are town, I've already pretty much got the scum team pinned down...on day 1...all because of PM madness...
There is no way scum can win, because there is no way they can eliminate the confirmed town before they themselves are eliminated.
If I were to guess the likely 4 scum:
Crewdogg
Flub
HijacK
Yogsloth
The intruders will have to think...
Is this a trap? Is this not a trap but appears as one in the hopes the intruders second-guess themselves? Or maybe I anticipate this second-guessing and there really is a trap present? I could go on and on...
…
Vote Bookwyrm627
I’ll skip the “HijacK made me ragequit, nah, I’m back” bit.
Next up is all the bits about how he can’t reveal his INT stat, because after claiming his title, role, abilities, and hinting at an extra power, listing his single INT stat would just tell the Scum too much information. Start with 2002 and just go down to about 2021.
A real town player will make their case to avoid being lynched and do what's best for town.
You were brought to L-1 because people thought you were scummy. You can plead how town you think you sounded, but scum can do that too.
End of the day, oh well, but if we lose because of town self-suicide stupidity, that doesn't prove me wrong....
1) The initial teams would be put together before role and stat claims. Scum wouldn’t know how to mis-assign people.
2) Once stats become known and claimed, how could Scum deliberately mis-place people? Wouldn’t that raise a red flag or two for the rest of us?
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Now let’s look closely at his final wagon record, in this “broken” game that Town can’t lose.
Day 2:
Unvote Bookwyrm
Vote Ixam
Now, let's at least here what he has to say...
I really don't think he's scum, but I wouldn't put third-party neutral past him.
Day 3:
First, let's assume the killer is the same person each time...
So, we have an unaccounted for killer and an unaccounted for roleblocker....
And we have just 3 people who have not claimed nor claimed to be roleblocked...
Bookwyrm627, Yogsloth and CarrionCrow
Are both the killer and this other presumably scum roleblocker in this list?
Vote Bookwyrm627
The odds are seeming quite good...
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RW has spent the entire game attempting to convince us it’s Broken in favor of Town win, and barely worth even playing anymore because of that. And then he’s personally shepherded two different Town lynches, overseen a failed crisis mission, and is absolutely demanding that he be beyond reproach simply due to his role and nothing else, no matter how he behaves or what his actual, verifiable results are, or if we’ve identified a single bad Scum at any point.
We’re in Day 4, and it’s looking more like a massacre for the other team than a broken win for Town.
We may not be lynching him Today. The margin of error has become too thin. But his play just has to be on the table for analysis. There is no Innocent Child in this game. And the stakes are just too high to give such a free pass when we should be doing the opposite, and paying as much attention as possible.
