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Crosmando: If that were the case, and it was just a legal issue, the game would of been removed from from Steam today also, but it wasn't. So the issue is clearly that Bethesda are pro-DRM.
Wow, that's a stretch that Mr. Fantastic would be proud of.

Have you looked at the Steam store page for Fallout and Fallout 2? You'll notice something interesting: the listed publisher is still Interplay. Seems odd that Bethesda would allow that...

Also, if you had done some research on the subject, you'd know that Interplay can still sell the classic Fallouts until the end of the year. So Valve have to the end of today to pull it.

Try thinking about things first, before posting.
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meudoland: I will miss you.
Maybe a bit off-topic but, what about Fallout Tactics?

You won't miss that one too?
Sad to see the Fallout trilogy go. Something's gotta give at Zenimax.

Bring your votes to Zenimax's games on GOG.com: http://www.gog.com/wishlist/site/strike_a_deal_w_zenimax_media_inc
Yes, Interplay sold off Fallout rights to a company not signed with GOG. So the title should have been: Fallout gone, thank you Interplay!!!!!!!!!!!
Post edited December 31, 2013 by Fenixp
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meudoland: I will miss you.
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Mentao: Maybe a bit off-topic but, what about Fallout Tactics?

You won't miss that one too?
I rechecked the OP, yes, it is correct.
:)
Post edited January 01, 2014 by meudoland
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Zombywoof83: Wow, that's a stretch that Mr. Fantastic would be proud of.

Have you looked at the Steam store page for Fallout and Fallout 2? You'll notice something interesting: the listed publisher is still Interplay. Seems odd that Bethesda would allow that...

Also, if you had done some research on the subject, you'd know that Interplay can still sell the classic Fallouts until the end of the year. So Valve have to the end of today to pull it.

Try thinking about things first, before posting.
Well, we'll see if they get pulled by the end of the day. If it doesn't then the issue is Bethesda being pro-DRM.

The Bethesda and Steam/DRM thing is still true though, you cannot buy any Bethesda games anywhere DRM-free, even Gamersgate only sells Steam keys of their games.
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Crosmando: Well, we'll see if they get pulled by the end of the day. If it doesn't then the issue is Bethesda being pro-DRM.
What if it's not DRM but Regional Pricing? That is also another possible reason they may be reluctant to work with GOG.
Hm, time to check current Fallout prices.
Legal disputes, legal disputes never changes
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Crosmando: The Bethesda and Steam/DRM thing is still true though, you cannot buy any Bethesda games anywhere DRM-free, even Gamersgate only sells Steam keys of their games.
Like it or not, Steamworks is very convenient for major publishers. Steam has a huge grasp on the PC market, is now developing a "console-like" platform, and openly provides support for developers. It's not like Bethesda are the only ones that do Steam integration. And you really haven't provided any reason why it's a bad thing they do this.

And really, Steam integration is your reason for calling them "Pro-DRM"? They've dropped Windows Live for Steamworks, and they don't use Tages, SecuROM, Starforce, or any of the other, much worse forms of DRM, and yet THEY are Pro-DRM?

Sure thing buddy.
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GastonArg: Legal disputes, legal disputes never changes
Except that it's not a dispute, the Interplay/Bethsoft court settlement happened well over a year ago. That dispute is over. If Bethesda and GOG couldn't sign a contract not even for Bethesda to come to GOG, but merely to keep the Fallout games here, in over a year, I think the chances of them coming at are very low. The real issue is of course ideology, the same reason Bethesda makes all their games especially with steam integration hardcoded, the same reason Bethesda games sold outside Steam are just Steam keys, they're pro-DRM.
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Zombywoof83: And really, Steam integration is your reason for calling them "Pro-DRM"? They've dropped Windows Live for Steamworks, and they don't use Tages, SecuROM, Starforce, or any of the other, much worse forms of DRM, and yet THEY are Pro-DRM?
Well... For all it's worth, Skyrim was DRM-free on release on Steam (as in you could copy it out of your Steam installation and launch it stand-alone). Bethesda has patched it to use Steam's CEG protection later down the line.
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Zombywoof83: Like it or not, Steamworks is very convenient for major publishers. Steam has a huge grasp on the PC market, is now developing a "console-like" platform, and openly provides support for developers. It's not like Bethesda are the only ones that do Steam integration. And you really haven't provided any reason why it's a bad thing they do this.
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Are we not talking about whether or not Bethesda/ZeniMax are pro-DRM here? Who said anything about the "benefits" of Steamworks or the grasp Steam has on the market, it has nothing to do with this topic. You may have just accidentally outed yourself as a Steam fanboy bro.

And really, Steam integration is your reason for calling them "Pro-DRM"?
Steam is DRM. It has other functions, but one of it's functions is digital rights management. This is fact.

They've dropped Windows Live for Steamworks, and they don't use Tages, SecuROM, Starforce, or any of the other, much worse forms of DRM, and yet THEY are Pro-DRM?
I'm not sure what your point is, they dropped support for other DRM to move into exclusively using Steamworks DRM. We aren't talking about other companies here (who many of them obviously are pro-DRM to greater or lesser degrees) but about Bethesda.

Only selling your games on Steam and especially building them right down to the code for Steam integration is a pro-DRM stance. If they weren't pro-DRM, they'd be selling them without DRM.

Whether they use perceived greater or lesser forms of DRM is quite irrelevant, they are still in favor of the concept of digital rights management.
Post edited December 31, 2013 by Crosmando
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Crosmando: Only selling your games on Steam and especially building them right down to the code for Steam integration is a pro-DRM stance. If they weren't pro-DRM, they'd be selling them without DRM.
That's not necessarily true - games using CEG protection equals DRM. When they don't and are removed from Steam installation, Steam features will quite simply cease to function, but the game still works. Now that Valve has removed CEG from Half-Life 2, you can just launch it via hl2.exe and it runs on a completely Steamless computer - which is ironic as HL2 and source engine games were the reason for Steam to exist in the first place.
If you're going to be upset with Bethesda for anything, how about that they keep releasing the same game over and over while removing features and just adding a different gimmick each game. The worlds get bigger and the depth gets smaller, but hey...Dragon Shouts!
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Zombywoof83: And really, Steam integration is your reason for calling them "Pro-DRM"? They've dropped Windows Live for Steamworks, and they don't use Tages, SecuROM, Starforce, or any of the other, much worse forms of DRM, and yet THEY are Pro-DRM?
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Fenixp: Well... For all it's worth, Skyrim was DRM-free on release on Steam (as in you could copy it out of your Steam installation and launch it stand-alone). Bethesda has patched it to use Steam's CEG protection later down the line.
Didn't know they patched it to require Steam's CEG, I thought it was that way from the start - which is why I abandoned Bethesda games.

Well, that and the fact that they would never fix the freezing animations in Oblivion, even after I sent them the requested file demonstrating it :(
Post edited December 31, 2013 by wanderer_27