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russellskanne: This is unacteptable GOG. The game shouldn't have to phone home in the first place to check for a valid cd key. This is DRM.
If the developer insisists on this kind of crap then remove it from your store. Period.
Have to agree here. You can argue about archaic stuff like manual lookups or whatever, but doing an internet check is definitely DRM and unacceptable.
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Smannesman: I think they did know, after all Ciris says "it seems that it has been banned by the developer once again (this is what caused previous problems with this title)".
Ah yep.

Well unless the dev has shown a willingness to properly fix this, I think GOG should remove it from sale. The developer hasn't provided a DRM-free version of the game and should therefore not be holding up their end of the contract with GOG. Unless GOG's lawyers are terrible or something?
So it looks like the only real way to make DEFCON DRM-free is to block it with a firewall?
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Ciris: The problem here is that we introduced a universal CD Key of sorts into the game so that it would effectively be rid of DRM, however, it seems that it has been banned by the developer once again (this is what caused previous problems with this title).

We have contacted them regarding this issue already and are working on a solution as we do realise that having DRMed games is simply not an option.

That is why I'd suggest that if you run the game, you run it offline or adding it to your firewall to block it froma calling home (it should work without the key that way) - we know that it's a very WIP solution and hope for it to be as temporary as possible, and we'll let you know once the issue is resolved and the game is DRM-free once more.
Uh, guys? If it calls home to check the validity of the key, it has never been DRM-free in the first place. At best it is pre-activated but still very much DRM-ed.
Post edited June 26, 2015 by Randalator
Doesn't sound DRM-free to me.
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russellskanne: This is unacteptable GOG. The game shouldn't have to phone home in the first place to check for a valid cd key. This is DRM.
If the developer insisists on this kind of crap then remove it from your store. Period.
So much this. It seems some people at GOG 'forgot' what DRM-free means.
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Ciris: The problem here is that we introduced a universal CD Key of sorts into the game so that it would effectively be rid of DRM, however, it seems that it has been banned by the developer once again (this is what caused previous problems with this title).

We have contacted them regarding this issue already and are working on a solution as we do realise that having DRMed games is simply not an option.

That is why I'd suggest that if you run the game, you run it offline or adding it to your firewall to block it froma calling home (it should work without the key that way) - we know that it's a very WIP solution and hope for it to be as temporary as possible, and we'll let you know once the issue is resolved and the game is DRM-free once more.
I'm confused, you state that "it has been banned by the developer once again" which implies that you knew there was DRM beforehand, and I'm guessing got the keys unbanned instead of removing the DRM, and on top of that not informing your customers that the game has DRM. So are you going to remove the DRM this time, or keep the universal CD Key phone home method which i believe is DRM. Or am i reading that wrong.
Doesn't Multiwinia work the same? They are not the only games with serials of course but I think these are the only games that call home.
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Wurzelkraft: Doesn't Multiwinia work the same? They are not the only games with serials of course but I think these are the only games that call home.
I wouldn't know as I don't own that one. Not sure why GOG considered this acceptable though.
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Ciris: The problem here is that we introduced a universal CD Key of sorts into the game so that it would effectively be rid of DRM, however, it seems that it has been banned by the developer once again (this is what caused previous problems with this title).

We have contacted them regarding this issue already and are working on a solution as we do realise that having DRMed games is simply not an option.

That is why I'd suggest that if you run the game, you run it offline or adding it to your firewall to block it froma calling home (it should work without the key that way) - we know that it's a very WIP solution and hope for it to be as temporary as possible, and we'll let you know once the issue is resolved and the game is DRM-free once more.
Your statement indicates you knew beforehand about this and yet still allowed it in your catalog. A game that calls home whenever it finds an open internet connection is DRM'ed flat on. Blocking the game with a firewall is a workaround but doesn't remove the fact that the game has an active DRM in it.

What about those who don't use a firewall? Back when I used Windows I never used a firewall, never needed one myself and unplugging my connection for a game that's supposed to be DRM-Free in the first place is wrong.

With that said I understand some games don't work without a present serial key installed, I'm aware that such keys are installed by the installer in many other games here on GoG but unlike this one they don't call home which makes them worth of the DRM-Free title.

Thanks for working with the devs with such an issue and please, be careful what you sell, news run like wildfire these days on the internet and I'd hate to see GoG's good name put in bad light.
Post edited June 26, 2015 by Ganni1987
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Ganni1987: snip
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/defcons_drm_is_still_active_support_doesnt_give_a_crap/post29

You could always loop the IP of the dev to local loopback in the hosts file and problem solved.

But that is something, which can not be done by GOG

This way, you don´t need to block it or whatsoever.

Like:

127.0.0.1 www.defcon.com (whatever they use to check, a sniffer program could collect this info easily and no I don´t have the game, wireshark will do)

127.0.0.1 tells Windows to send this request to the local loopback, so it will never be able to phone home ;)
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Ganni1987: snip
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Goodaltgamer: https://www.gog.com/forum/general/defcons_drm_is_still_active_support_doesnt_give_a_crap/post29

You could always loop the IP of the dev to local loopback in the hosts file and problem solved.

But that is something, which can not be done by GOG

This way, you don´t need to block it or whatsoever.

Like:

127.0.0.1 www.defcon.com (whatever they use to check, a sniffer program could collect this info easily and no I don´t have the game, wireshark will do)

127.0.0.1 tells Windows to send this request to the local loopback, so it will never be able to phone home ;)
And how does that remove the DRM? If you JUST install the game on another computer, does it work without doing anything else?
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You could also download a crack, or crack a game manually to remove DRM on your computer. The fact that user can jump through hoops to bypass DRM doesn't remove the fact that the version GOG is selling has live DRM.
Post edited June 26, 2015 by DeathDiciple
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Ganni1987: snip
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Goodaltgamer: https://www.gog.com/forum/general/defcons_drm_is_still_active_support_doesnt_give_a_crap/post29

You could always loop the IP of the dev to local loopback in the hosts file and problem solved.

But that is something, which can not be done by GOG

This way, you don´t need to block it or whatsoever.

Like:

127.0.0.1 www.defcon.com (whatever they use to check, a sniffer program could collect this info easily and no I don´t have the game, wireshark will do)

127.0.0.1 tells Windows to send this request to the local loopback, so it will never be able to phone home ;)
That would need 'undoing' if the player wanted to play multiplayer so it's not a great solution. The best solution would be the dev updating the game so that it only connects to a server when you click "multiplayer".
Post edited June 26, 2015 by SirPrimalform
EDIT: Ninja'ed so many times, so removed the original question.

I hope the DEFCON publisher dies soon so that their authentication servers go offline, LOL. :) Then one doesn't have to care whether it can check online, in order to play it DRM-free.

The more I think about it, the odder this case is, in a funny way. You are fine as long as it can't reach the servers... but if it can, meh, just give it the multiplayer key then.
Post edited June 26, 2015 by timppu