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xxxIndyxxx: Yeah it's a lousy deal... And one that comes with stupid consequences. It's splits the community.

Also nobody should buy a rip-off like this but then again we should if we ever want bloodborne on pc. This should be free for owners of the Original+season pass and a lot cheaper for everybody else. They almost sell it as a completely new game but most of the "new" stuff should have just been patched in for free...
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Elmofongo: I never bought Dark Souls 2 because I was waiting for all the DLC and patch fixes to come out.

I did not expect this which more value for me.

And I don't play the onlnie portiion of the game because its all fluff.

Dark Souls is meant to be single player.
Well, you can play offline ONLY if you unplag your internet cable, so...
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xxxIndyxxx: Yeah it's a lousy deal... And one that comes with stupid consequences. It's splits the community.

Also nobody should buy a rip-off like this but then again we should if we ever want bloodborne on pc. This should be free for owners of the Original+season pass and a lot cheaper for everybody else. They almost sell it as a completely new game but most of the "new" stuff should have just been patched in for free...
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Elmofongo: I never bought Dark Souls 2 because I was waiting for all the DLC and patch fixes to come out.

I did not expect this which more value for me.

And I don't play the onlnie portiion of the game because its all fluff.

Dark Souls is meant to be single player.
Online is actually an essential part of DS experience.You are talking out of your ass when you call it fluff.
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xxxIndyxxx: Yeah it's a lousy deal... And one that comes with stupid consequences. It's splits the community.

Also nobody should buy a rip-off like this but then again we should if we ever want bloodborne on pc. This should be free for owners of the Original+season pass and a lot cheaper for everybody else. They almost sell it as a completely new game but most of the "new" stuff should have just been patched in for free...
Bloodborne is an IP published and partially funded by Sony.Meaning it will never come to PC regardless of what we'll do.
Post edited April 02, 2015 by Mr.Caine
From what I saw "From Software" is charging more for DirectX 11 versions than older versions.

As far as I'm concerned I'll be keeping my money far away from any company that does things like that. This is beyond low, it's disgusting. DRM, Regional Pricing etc, all that stuff doesn't even scrape as low as this nonsense.

Imagine a game wanting you to pay for a HD texture pack, you want to use "High" graphics settings well that costs extra... Except a better texture pack would have a more pronounced effect on the game and be more worthwhile than these render versions making this even worse.

I could go on and give examples of how some companies give extra content (actual game content) to customers for free compared to charging more for different render versions but basically I'd sooner install EA's Origin service before giving "From Software" a cent with them doing things like this, not just today, I'm going to remember they pulled this crap well into the future.

I do not remember the last time a game company pulled something this disgusting, things like "Horse Armour DLC" doesn't come even remotely close to this.
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Grogger: Imagine a game wanting you to pay for a HD texture pack, you want to use "High" graphics settings well that costs extra
Imagine companies doing that with Speech. You want to hear voices in your games? Pay extra for an addon, or buy the game again in its superior version.
Thank God we've come along so far since those days of Origin.
1.Stop censoring youtubers
2.Stop trying to sue modders
3.Stop the whole ''Online'' bullshit
4.Stop trying to ban people who play with mods

Then we can talk!
It seems owners of vanilla+season pass will pay 15€ for the upgrade. Lol, this is just terrible. I mean, the upgrade is basically FREE for people which want to buy the season pass, paying the same price of it and getting all new contents. But people that bought the full package are getting ripped by this "deal".
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Grogger: Imagine a game wanting you to pay for a HD texture pack, you want to use "High" graphics settings well that costs extra
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JMich: Imagine companies doing that with Speech. You want to hear voices in your games? Pay extra for an addon, or buy the game again in its superior version.
Thank God we've come along so far since those days of Origin.
So how about them Sierra and Lucas Arts adventure games? =P
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JMich: Imagine companies doing that with Speech. You want to hear voices in your games? Pay extra for an addon, or buy the game again in its superior version.
Thank God we've come along so far since those days of Origin.
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mistermumbles: So how about them Sierra and Lucas Arts adventure games? =P
It would depend, if it's an old game like mistermumbles mentioned that's being remastered and now has added voice acting that's one thing. Though if they released a game today and one version didn't have voice acting and the other did while costing more, I would think that's stupid but even that would be better than charging more for a different render version as it would have a greater impact on the game and also costs a lot more to add to the game (if it has lots of dialogue).

There is a very good chance all they did for the different render version of simply recompile for each version, which means there will be no real benefit. For there to be a difference they would have to put in extra work writing new shaders etc to take advantage of the newer API's features, even then the differences could be small to unnoticeable especially between DX9 and DX11, even a more drastic change to something like Mantle would only have benefits in certain cases.

With people mentioning screenshots between the versions looking the same, it really seems like they've done nothing but recompile, click some buttons and wait, and want to charge people extra. This is a new kind of slime when it comes to being low.
As far as I know, it's relatively common in Japan for console games to be rereleased a year or two after they first came out with added content, for full price.

So I'm guessing this is just a Japanese company testing whether that can work outside Japan too. Instead of raging about it pointlessly, just vote with your wallet like I will. If you find it's bad value (and imo it is), just don't buy it.
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Grogger: Imagine a game wanting you to pay for a HD texture pack, you want to use "High" graphics settings well that costs extra
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JMich: Imagine companies doing that with Speech. You want to hear voices in your games? Pay extra for an addon, or buy the game again in its superior version.
Thank God we've come along so far since those days of Origin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zULJELYQsas
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Elmofongo: I never bought Dark Souls 2 because I was waiting for all the DLC and patch fixes to come out.

I did not expect this which more value for me.

And I don't play the onlnie portiion of the game because its all fluff.

Dark Souls is meant to be single player.
I honestly don't see how you figure that since the developers built the idea of the multiplayer into the lore and into the campaign. In fact, there is no multiplayer vs single player modes (except turning off your internet or otherwise blocking the game). The game was built around the multiplayer aspect. Certainly you don't prefer that, and that's your prerogative, but to say they were "meant to be single player" is simple falacy.
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JMich: Imagine companies doing that with Speech. You want to hear voices in your games? Pay extra for an addon, or buy the game again in its superior version.
Thank God we've come along so far since those days of Origin.
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ThePunishedSnake: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zULJELYQsas
When was the trailer uploaded?
Does DX11 upgrade have better visuals? I doubt it but still curious.
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BlackDawn: Does DX11 upgrade have better visuals? I doubt it but still curious.
There is supposed to be some better lighting but from what I heard it's hardly noticeable....and where it is noticeable people complain about it that it looks worse (but that could be a matter of opinion). I did saw a screenshot off the hub level in the beginning and it looked way too bright in this newer version.
Just looking at the title of this thread i'm going to ask...

Why is this remastered? I mean i can see PS1 or PS2 games getting remastered... but Dark Souls 2 just came out.... So... why???