Thank you, and that rage was in a large part natural. If you read the rebel chat, you'll see I realized it was a mistake, but zazak said no backsies.

(I asked zazak to make the forum publicly available so you can read it without creating an account. You can still read it now, you just need to create an account, or use you Magog forum account if you have it).

Oh yeah. For some reason, I kept pegging ZFR as Rebel. Must be ever since he complained that the rebels killed someone with zero information on IP1...

It's almost as if he was distancing from himself.

The only mechanical thing which doesn't work with the current format, is the way Judge uses his power.

He has to PM the mod, and there is no way to determine when it was made (whether before or after someone was hammered). Also, subsequent voting that doesn't count might give Loyalist unnecessary info.

I suggest one way would be for the mod to create an account and give the password to the Judge. That way, the Judge can log into that account and make the use of his power known without revealing his identity.

Yes, I raised the issue of 'muddy chronology' with zazak. It didn't end up being an issue, but with the judgement on Joe I actually specified where it came in the post chronology. Your solution of an anonymous alt is a good plan.

Did you nominate me because you thought I might be a rebel?

It was my intention, after my initial 'getting eveything wrong' approach, to try and appear as a rebel.

I tried to make a deliberate slip to ZFR, where I told him to "check his PM" while he was raging - did you pick up on it?

unfortunately ZFR's rage wasn't-fully-genuine and my bluff actually did incriminate a rebel. Whoops ;p
at least only till I died, which was like, immediately.


ooh! that's fun!



With this game, what sort of strategy is available for a rebel team who are accidentally-too-rebelly early on? It seems all they can do is slowly help the other team win for the rest of the game...

I think if you're a rebel who's accidentally-too-rebelly early on, this strategy might work:

Step 1:
Don't be too rebelly early on.

I'd say hope to hell that the protesters are also rebelly and drown you out? Because honestly, if the Vizier knows who you are you're just going through the motions until they win.

I know, but there's always going to be new players and getting-to-know-the-rules goofs. Maybe it's something that could be looked into

Yes, I did consider you as a Rebel with ZFR as alternative to Cadaver. But I had the feeling that you wouldn't slip in that way if you really were a Rebel.

Well, and then you were taken out of the picture anyhow.

When a rebel is recruited and automatically tries to assassinate the Vizier, is that in addition to the factional kill or is it just that the factional kill is automatically directed at the Vizier?

I think it's the latter, but I wanted to make sure.

If I'm right then Yog's death proved my loyalty.

It's a free kill. But Rebel's can not carry out an execution during day stage even if they get into government. So when you killed players it proved you were a Loyalist. Lift asked me to protect him but knowing you were loyalist I protected you

I think you misunderstand. I know that the Judge using their power proves they're a loyalist, that wasn't my question. What I'm asking about is the assassination attempt that a recruited rebel will attempt during the night (intrigue phase).

So the fact that Yogs died in the first Intrigue Phase means that there were no rebels in government, because if I had been a rebel then the rebel kill would have been aimed at Lift instead. Does that make sense?

As part of confirming you as a Loyalist I asked Zazak if Rebels could only target Lift during the night phase. They have a regular night shot and a free extra shot on Lift. So that isn't what confirmed you, the fact you could act as a judge did.

During the day phase after though I was questioning whether you weren't in government. Lift getting on ZFRs wagon early made me think maybe ZFR is the one in gov

That's what I was asking, I was under the impression they just had the one shot. If, hypothetically, I was a rebel and we killed Yogs and took a shot at Lift - would Yogs's protection of Lift be nullified by his death?

I thought you seemed confused, that's why I was frantically wiggling my eyebrows in semaphore saying "Dude, what are you doing!?".

HAHAHA!

GO SUCK IT, REBEL FILTH!


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wait what do you mean I lost