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Darling_Jimmy: Indeed. I was pleased to hear Canada is prioritizing gay Syrian men. Though that effectively outs them and puts them in danger before they arrive in the country.
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timppu: Is any other proof needed apart from declaring yourself as a gay? Do they conduct some sort of gayness tests to the comers? Or is it ok to e.g. get married (to a woman) later on and just say you are actually a bi?
I assume the claim is considered on its own merits. I also assume CSIS is always collecting their own information from the shadows and make the troublemakers disappear, regardless of what they tell immigration officers.
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TStael: Yet you tire of generalisations, and simultaneously suggest that "Muslims" should be known as "Muslims" and that is individual? Like I should know Kalevala well, maybe, for a Tolken fan, as a Finn?

If these "Muslims" only saw themselves as such, I would not approach them for that. I do not like religion in public life at all, or as an over-arching identity that much, personally.

But also, you'd probably not suggest this benevolent and tolerant approach to get to know Catholics, to highlight that Catholics might be individuals, I suspect? And potential friends?

Maybe you are quite tolerant. Only, it should also apply close to home.
I think something got lost in translation. I only suggest that before casting glares at someone because of a label of whatever-it-happens-to-be-but-in-this-thread-it's-Muslum/Arabic, it's a good idea to get to know a few of them to see what they are really like.

I don't mean to single out Muslims. It's just that's the particular direction this discussion has headed. The general gist applies to any group different than those a person normally associates with: before generalizing, why not actually talk to some of them?
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ciomalau: <snip to get to the point> because the easiest thing to do in every problem is to do nothing - and that's what you do and try to convince others to do the same...
I don't suggest doing nothing. I suggest doing something, and that is this: before suggesting that a billion people of a particular religion should be wiped off the face of the Earth, you could take a little bit of time to actually talk to some of them. I have had the opportunity, and found absolutely nothing in them of the crap you're blathering about.
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vsr: snip
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damien: just wanted to say that I have read all your comments here and pretty much agree with most of the things you have said. you deserve credits for being able to differentiate countries (with their scumbag politicians) from people, believers from terrorists and you are right about the real reasons behind this terrorism. my two cents :)
Thanks.
Russia fights radical islamists for a long time now. Islamic religious leaders (imams) in Russia are a constant target for extremists now (especially on Caucasus). A lot of them were killed. It is important to distinguish extremism from a peaceful religion.

More on the Russia's continuous fight against , can be [url=http://sputniknews.com/analysis/20140829/192468401/Wahhabism-Threatens-Traditional-Muslims-in-Central-Russia.html]<span class="bold">read here</span>, if anyone interested.

USA always were defending these bandits, calling them "Freedom fighters", putting a spoke in the wheel of Russia. Why? Because everything what is bad for Russia is automatically good for USA. Yes, if it's too hard to become more powerful (economics, military, culture), make your opponent weaker. Problem solved, American-way.

More on why USA supports Saudi Arabia, a country which hosts and finances Islamic terrorism, can be <span class="bold">read here</span>.
Terrorism is all about ideas and meeting goals for such ideas. Strong ideas, be they some radical religion or ethnic group (imagined or not) privileges, are the basis for terrorism. You can't successfully fight such ideas with weapons no matter how many bombs or bullets you're sending that way. Weapons may seem the easiest means to break the isolation of the said religious or ethnic group to force them to open their minds for exchange of ideas, but it is just much more effective in deepening the isolation and bumping up the numbers of supporters. Give or take, you can fight any idea only with a stronger one. Hammer is not an idea, it's just a tool for different purposes.
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AzureKite: Terrorism is all about ideas and meeting goals for such ideas. Strong ideas, be they some radical religion or ethnic group (imagined or not) privileges, are the basis for terrorism. You can't successfully fight such ideas with weapons no matter how many bombs or bullets you're sending that way. Weapons may seem the easiest means to break the isolation of the said religious or ethnic group to force them to open their minds for exchange of ideas, but it is just much more effective in deepening the isolation and bumping up the numbers of supporters. Give or take, you can fight any idea only with a stronger one. Hammer is not an idea, it's just a tool for different purposes.
Exactly, so I wonder why Maajit Nawaz isn't more popular in the western world atm. A former terrorist/islamist who at some point got convinced that humanism is actually great should be the very symbol of what people here want but instead people are just repeating the mantra of "all is good" no matter how many people die (as long as it's noone you personally know of course).
Post edited March 24, 2016 by Klumpen0815
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damien: just wanted to say that I have read all your comments here and pretty much agree with most of the things you have said. you deserve credits for being able to differentiate countries (with their scumbag politicians) from people, believers from terrorists and you are right about the real reasons behind this terrorism. my two cents :)
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vsr: Thanks.
Russia fights radical islamists for a long time now. Islamic religious leaders (imams) in Russia are a constant target for extremists now (especially on Caucasus). A lot of them were killed. It is important to distinguish extremism from a peaceful religion.

More on the Russia's continuous fight against , can be [url=http://sputniknews.com/analysis/20140829/192468401/Wahhabism-Threatens-Traditional-Muslims-in-Central-Russia.html]<span class="bold">read here</span>, if anyone interested.

USA always were defending these bandits, calling them "Freedom fighters", putting a spoke in the wheel of Russia. Why? Because everything what is bad for Russia is automatically good for USA. Yes, if it's too hard to become more powerful (economics, military, culture), make your opponent weaker. Problem solved, American-way.

More on why USA supports Saudi Arabia, a country which hosts and finances Islamic terrorism, can be <span class="bold">read here</span>.
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turkey's president erdogan (was first minister from 2004 to 2014, do i have to call it dictator?), is one of the strongest ally together with the saudi family.
guess who are the terrorists? hezbollah, kurdistan, iran? what a joke...

also, what a coincidence that assad is shia (alawite), does the saudi prince like it?
and how's going the bombing in yemen? please don't bomb too many enemies, civilians are fine too (expecially the 44% shia population)


if there is chaos in those lands is because someone want it, just look at libya goddammit
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manero666: turkey's president erdogan (was first minister from 2004 to 2014, do i have to call it dictator?), is one of the strongest ally together with the saudi family.
guess who are the terrorists? hezbollah, kurdistan, iran? what a joke...
Iran wasn't considered terrorists as far as I'm aware. The country was put under embargo for an alleged nuclear weapon program. Hezbollah and Kurds? Well, by the acts alone against civilian population and thus by definition they are terrorists.
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AzureKite: Terrorism is all about ideas and meeting goals for such ideas. Strong ideas, be they some radical religion or ethnic group (imagined or not) privileges, are the basis for terrorism. You can't successfully fight such ideas with weapons no matter how many bombs or bullets you're sending that way. Weapons may seem the easiest means to break the isolation of the said religious or ethnic group to force them to open their minds for exchange of ideas, but it is just much more effective in deepening the isolation and bumping up the numbers of supporters. Give or take, you can fight any idea only with a stronger one. Hammer is not an idea, it's just a tool for different purposes.
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Klumpen0815: Exactly, so I wonder why Maajit Nawaz isn't more popular in the western world atm. A former terrorist/islamist who at some point got convinced that humanism is actually great should be the very symbol of what people here want but instead people are just repeating the mantra of "all is good" no matter how many people die (as long as it's noone you personally know of course).
It might be due to his past or simply due to the fact that he remains a religious person. This I only concluded from the wiki page, his persona isn't known in my country. But he is the example of how tedious and difficult it is to actually change someone's radical views. That is what many people don't think is worth the effort, but that is also what is necessary to do. You either bring up someone from the very childhood with ideas of respect for others and for themselves or you try long and hard to prove to them later, when it is much more difficult, that the radical ways lead to nowhere.
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AzureKite: Iran wasn't considered terrorists as far as I'm aware. The country was put under embargo for an alleged nuclear weapon program. Hezbollah and Kurds? Well, by the acts alone against civilian population and thus by definition they are terrorists.
As if that's relevant. The only thing that matters is if they are on your side or the enemies. No US official would call the CIA actions in Cuba terrorism. But if the Cubans had blown up ports, planes and boats in Florida, they would be called terrorists.
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AzureKite: Iran wasn't considered terrorists as far as I'm aware. The country was put under embargo for an alleged nuclear weapon program. Hezbollah and Kurds? Well, by the acts alone against civilian population and thus by definition they are terrorists.
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jamotide: As if that's relevant. The only thing that matters is if they are on your side or the enemies. No US official would call the CIA actions in Cuba terrorism. But if the Cubans had blown up ports, planes and boats in Florida, they would be called terrorists.
It is relevant. An act of terrorism is an act of terrorism regardless of whom it was commited by, if it was aimed at purposefully killing civillians to instigate fear, paralise institutions and/or gain certain political or financial benefits from it. Be it Hezbollah, CIA or anyone else. The only difference between CIA/KGB/younameit and well known organizations considered as terrorists in regards to this matter is that the former ones usually act hidden and deny any affiliation to secret operations, while the latter take "responsibility" for acts they commit. Which doesn't make them better really. It is just what they do and how this works for them.
As if you or me actually give a damn about what official sources say. Heh.
Post edited March 24, 2016 by AzureKite
I'll just leave this here...

https://www.rt.com/news/336985-brussels-terror-nuclear-plants/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oBx7Jg4m-o
Post edited March 24, 2016 by Dalthnock
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AzureKite: It is relevant. An act of terrorism is an act of terrorism regardless of whom it was commited by, if it was aimed at purposefully killing civillians to instigate fear, paralise institutions and/or gain certain political or financial benefits from it.
Ideally, yeah. But the reality is much different. Only the opposing side are terrorists, regardless of whether they attack civilians or not. When the insurgents in Iraq attacked military installations they were called terrorists.
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AzureKite: It is relevant. An act of terrorism is an act of terrorism regardless of whom it was commited by, if it was aimed at purposefully killing civillians to instigate fear, paralise institutions and/or gain certain political or financial benefits from it.
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jamotide: Ideally, yeah. But the reality is much different. Only the opposing side are terrorists, regardless of whether they attack civilians or not. When the insurgents in Iraq attacked military installations they were called terrorists.
But that is subjective and you're in full rights not to agree with that. It is an act of agression, but calling it an act of terror is stretching it too far.
But if we drop the precise definitions and blur them in the way that we won't call any such act towards civilians as a terrorist act then we will have fargoing issues in the future. Someone has to stick to the dictionary.
Post edited March 24, 2016 by AzureKite