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Telika GOG aims at providing games in their original experience (original low tech versions), and liberated from tacked on limitations (drm). I am not sure why they consider censored games satisfying. Is removed or altered content so much better than drm restrictions ? The GOG versions of Fallout, Giants, Gobliiins feel incomplete because of such details. And the edited parts make no sense on a site that also sells unaltered "mature" games (like Carmageddon, Farenheit, Witcher). I suggest that GOG should (if it doesn't already) treat censored versions as temporary "stopgap measures", keep looking for the original versions with the same energy as for unavailable games, and replace them as soon as they can. Or even, make censorship a DRM-level point during their negociations with titles owners.
imranf1 Just add the uncensor patch to the download list, plus a disclaimer about NOT downloading it if illegal in your country, etc. The onus should be on the individual user - who will be the one facing prosecution for breaking the local laws - instead of the distributor (GOG) because this punishes everyone. <br /> <br /> Isn't this how it works for everything else? A seller shouldn't be prohibited from distributing X prescription online merely because it is illegal to buy in Y country.
SarahAustin How do you think censorship works? They cant add games that arent allowed in your country and you can only buy games on GOG that are available in your country. I bought Postal 2 on here but now its banned on here too like anywhere else because of german ban. I dont even see it in the shop anymore, so glad i got it tho before it was removed. <br /> <br /> This is why you either cant see or wont ever see some games that have censored and uncensored version.
TueSR In the case where the costumers location mandates a certain version of a product, then this should be the version provided by GOG. This is easily done by checking location (and just as easily circumvented if you have access to a VPN). In the mean time I don't see any reason why GOG couldn't make availabe all the variable versions of a game and let the costumer choose which version they would prefer. I think this would be in the GOG spirit of not letting "Big Business" mandate how, when and what you play.
KernStern Let's not forget that many "censored" versions originate from the times, when some countries had requested to censor unreasonable things (for example, replacement of blood by some green liquid in Half-life copies that were sold in Germany). Thus, I support removal of restrictions of this kind.
Ffocsi Can you vote down?
magnusfl nudity is not in the same class as violence but both should have a rating but for an adult censorship simply sucks my solution is not let any buy games under 18 and the parent can set the level of violence and censorship they buy for there kids and make it an easy standard interface for parents to turn off the violence and add censorship
Wishmaster777 Boobs shouldn't be censored. Nor asses. Female that is.
MsDhoni Here i noticed a lot of people try to put the link but they don't know the exact code to create links. Make sure the working of editor.
SuntanIronMan Everything should of course be uncensored. But it's not GOG's choice on the matter. <a href="http://GOG.com" class="light_un" target="_blank">GOG.com</a> is simply being a law-abiding company. Please speak to your elected representative in your specific country about the issue. A representative democracy is the system of government most of us here have. If we want things changed, talking to our elected representatives is our best option for change (or running for elected office ourselves).
sasuke12 The problem with censorship is the country you are living in. <br /> <br /> If you are living in censorship loving country like Australia or Germany, then there is nothing much you can do.
Yangusan FYI Witcher 3 is also censored. At first it wasn't but later they added underwear to cover nude body parts. But when characters are not in full frontal, then underwear is removed. Its quite disappointing, as this game is for sure adult only, and would love to play it without any fake barriers. <br /> I think all games should be on list, and if your country forbid you from buying it, then just info about would be, so you would know your government screw you. This way you could something with it. Or try to change law or walk around it. Anyway GOG would have clean hands and still make profit. <br /> As for others, then censored game could be base and you could get patch removing censorship, or the best would be just option in game to remove censorship, as many game have option to censor blood and other silly stuff. So i think it wouldn't be a so big issue.
camilus What COOLIOWOLFUS said. Make the default install for countries with shitty laws install the censored version but give the user the option of installing the normal one if they click trough an agreement that they take full responsibility for any legal issues in doing so. <br /> <br /> For countries without stupid censorship laws ship the censored data files too, make the default uncensored, but give the user the option of installing the censored version if they want for whatever reason (idk, maybe I want to kill not!Nazi zombies from the German versions of games with Nazis?),
justme11.1 Let people make their own choices on content. Censorship is telling someone what it is appropriate for them.
CoolioWolfus If they have a legal issue with uncensored and geolock, having the uncensored for the non geolock and a waiver option that we sign to accept any legal fallout for gog to add the uncensored in the additional files section meaning the default will stay region specific keeping gog out of any heated caffine drink situations and we get the option to accept liability for the other version.
TwinSeeker Back in the good ol' days, there was no such thing as censorship, games really were games...pure and honest.
vortexbeast Changing/altering/censoring content shows complete disregard for the source, no consideration of historicity and contempt for the gamer. No less.
toendra_nulta Agree 100%
G3RM4N04K Please remove the Geolock!
SgtStecher At least what you can do is to tell us if it's censored. <br /> Because i am from germany, i can understand this issue. As for example we have here an index, a list of prohibited games (due to display of strong violence or whatever). :^( So selling uncensored games could actually cause them some real legal problems. <br /> So guys pls try to understand GOG, if they can't sell uncensored games due to legeal problems.
12345gog If censored it should be clearly stated. Uncensored shuld definitely be an option. Imagine the witcher being censored?!?!?!?
f5uck This is important. Games should be played as the developers intended.
DirkPitt1 It would good compromise if people could choose whether they want download censored or uncensored version.
Treadlight I say this should ideally extend to a strict no content-discrimination policy. Discard and shame the concept of "objectionable content".
jedavis1975 I say at least tell us, if the game is censored. As for Fallout, id had issues when the children were removed as the text that would still appear as they "played". I don't know if GoG can satisfy all the countries they sell to, or if they can sell the version that is "approved" in the country it is sold in.
JohnnyDangerDCD "I request GOG not follow though will this feature. But, since the internet can't seem to find enough "mature" content, perhaps a compromise. If this request is implemented, please also add an option to hide uncensored versions of the game (which some might deem offensive, including me) if the customer so chooses." <br /> <br /> So, because you don't want to see something for whatever reason you don't think anyone should be able to? That's ridiculous. If you can't handle imaginary sex/violence/etc, don't play games that contain them or skip those portions, you know?
endercase This, so much this.
hvkasteren @StampederMX: I haven't checked recently, but the last time I checked the versions of Fallout are the UK versions, which lack children. The removal of children in the first game was done pretty well, not leaving many issues, but in the second game it had several problems. Mostly the images for the kids simply wouldn't load, and you weren't able to interact with them, but they were still there. This led to quests not being able to be completed, and kids stealing items from you when you didn't even know they were there. <br /> <br /> Still great games though :).
Fyxylplyx I wish I could censor all censorship.
StampederMX Since when Fallout is censored? Did you check your game settings right? And what was never sold WOULD still not be sold, so what's your point? Why push your own agenda on others?
PrimalCerebrate Censorship is just the government treating adults like children.
erictheturtle I request GOG not follow though will this feature. But, since the internet can't seem to find enough "mature" content, perhaps a compromise. If this request is implemented, please also add an option to hide uncensored versions of the game (which some might deem offensive, including me) if the customer so chooses.
engels78 Just agree with Topic! Vote+
PatlaborAVX0 You do know in the case of Germany there are laws regarding what can and can't be shown in the media and games so it isnt just a case of oh gog loves teh censorships but also if games are placed on an index which means they cant be sold in full view of people so having them plastered on a website in full view would be contrary to that. While I like my games uncensored you have to remember GOG is a business and they have to respect the laws of the countries they do business in. Because if people didnt whine about it and actually change the laws in thier countries maybe there would be a difference.
Swebb Simple: I don't buy censored games. Never have, never will.
DocIIlate Please, as a old man i say: <br /> <br /> No censored Games. I´m old enough to stand with that games ;)
HockeyWes Here I am to add my voice. I say No to censorship.
C_dog1 One thing I hate. Censorship as an adult. <br /> <br /> Have you ever gutted and skinned a beast? Have you ever cut a steak off a carcass? These things are part of everyday life. Are you telling me I can't show and tell people about the blood and gore involved in their everyday life? Do you think it will make the world a better place if no one can butcher an animal because all the information is censored for blood and gore? <br /> <br /> You censor, you become a dictatorship. You censor, you get people who start revolutions. Not my cup of tea, but facts of life.
terodil Just happened across this by accident. I'm shocked to learn that GOG has started censoring their platform. This, this ONE point (along with the lack of DRM) was what attracted me to GOG in the first place. <br /> <br /> Let me just add my voice to the multiple posts already in here requesting that you study the laws carefully before blindly rushing to apply misconceptions. The rules regarding the Jugendschutz in Germany, as incorporated e.g. in the form of the USK, do not prevent sale of "indexed" (unrated) games to adults. Indeed, adults are not even subject to the USK. Shops selling physical copies simply are not allowed to ADVERTISE those games. If an adult went to the counter and received them upon asking, there'd be absolutely no trouble from a legal point of view. <br /> <br /> Let me be very clear: If this trend continues, I'm afraid that GOG will lose its special place in my heart. I absolutely, positively hate censorship. As an adult, I request to be treated as such and not to be babysat by "guardians of the public virtue". Please do not force me to seek out alternatives.
Serpent1989 I already posted here 2 times but I just came here to proof what wauwi90 has just written (the second post under this entry from 22nd June 2016). <br /> <br /> I came here today because I was seriously considering of buying both Red Faction games. Suddenly they are gone. I know Red Faction 1 has never been released in Germany (don’t know why) but GOG: Red Faction 2 has openly been released in Germany and in 2005 was even on a GameStar disc for free! If you guys would at least publish the lightly censored German version of Red Faction 2 this would had been fine for me because the violence factor in the original English version is really laughable and the German voiceovers are perfect but just keeping me now away from the games at all and even keeping me out of trying Red Faction 1, as I’ve never played it before, made me a little disappointed. <br /> <br /> The funny thing, during your summer sale, which was just going on a few days ago, I could have bought Postal 2 for 0.89 Euro and now suddenly this is gone also just because I’m German. I don’t care about this game anyway (played it years ago and it’s crap in my eyes) but at first giving it out quite for “free” just to close it suddenly afterwards to German users is a very strange move. And no GOG, as I wrote before it is not illegal for Germans to buy uncensored versions or non-checked versions of games and then being shipped to Germany. I’ve done this a lot of times. Sorry to say this guys, but now this becomes really laughable and a reason for me to visit GOG very rarely. Seems like GOG becomes more and more like Steam and I personally dislike Steam a lot. Well, this is another proof of what’s happening if people forget how they started it all themselves and suddenly are not different than the others anymore but more and more add themselves to the mainstream.
christyna64 Don't censor me!
wauwi90 Aaaaaaand GOG just removed 30 games from the store, when visiting via german IP. GJ. <br /> <br /> After Valve's wave of cleaning up their store from 27 games a few weeks ago (which where available for germans for years), they've decided to remove them, even adding region-locks for keys of some games. I thought it can't get any worse than that. <br /> <br /> Turns out, it can always get worse.
Dr.Cheis I would suggest that, along the lines of being DRM-free, if GoG is unable to offer uncensored versions of games, or unable to offer an option to toggle censored version on/off, that they release the games in such a way that if the community were to "happen" to stumble across the necessary files they could easily override the files GoG provides without conflict.
Strykerraven Say no to censorship.
Serpent1989 Dean_Demon, as it already has so far discussed in this thread I can assure you myself that it is not strictly forbidden. For example I can still order games from a foreign country and they are shipped to Germany with absolutely no problem. It all depends on the publisher. GOG for instance is sitting in Poland and in Cyprus. As laws about games are still national laws that have not been weakened by the EU yet, GOG would have no problem to sell it to German customers as well. They are not situated with any office in Germany, this is an website the whole world can gain access to and selling forbidden games to Germany, while not being situated in Germany yourself, is not forbidden at all. You just cannot sell them in your store if it is situated in Germany. Of course, I won't lay my hands completely into the fire for what I've just written as I am not a lawyer but this is what I have experienced here my whole life. Many German users often order uncut games from their neighbouring countries, which are not allowed to be sold here because you can only buy here (inside German borders) what the USK has checked so far. But if you import a game or movie just for yourself from a foreign country there is no problem with it I got some non-checked imported versions right here at my home and never had any trouble with the law at all. :)
Dean_Demon Like it or not but GOG's hands are severely tied when it comes to censored games in certain countries, it's still illegal to sell uncensored games in certain countries (Germany for instance) if that's what their laws dictate and nothing any consumer can do about that no matter how much they demand to have the same game as everyone one else so GOG are not going to be doing something that they are NOT allowed to do.
Serpent1989 In my country (Germany) they sell games, as well as movies, rated 18+ but they still got cut content! I always hated it and that's why I also believe that GOG should always take care of finding an uncut version of a game. Most of us are not 6 year olds that cannot see the difference between violence and reality but our stupid politicians think that even us adults are still kindergarden kids and so they believe that they have to tell US what we can play and what not! I hate them and I hate and NEVER play cut games. I also hate games that are censored just because of a stupid symbol, for example I threw Medal of Honor Allied Assault away as I found out that the original US version had swastikas while the German version has not and even has speech being completely removed from the game (and never been replaced with a different text). I hate that and thats why I support this discussion. Uncut versions only is one of my important mottos when playing a good video game. By the way GOG, I know that you keep me away of Return To Castle Wolfenstein just because it is still forbidden in Germany and I am situated in the same country. I don't like this behaviour, just saying.
MaximeMartyr Censorship is bad. Games must be played as their creators made them. No one has the right to judge what can be kept and what must be removed. If you don't like as it is, then just play another game which suits you better.
TwinSeeker Back in the 90s censorship was a very rare event or issue i guess, i'm a fan of this idea and since GOG Galaxy is our new gaming galaxy for sure, let us all do our best to support this idea and end censorship all together. For a better gaming in a great community and a great future for all of us !
Ross_R Approved, simply approved. Nicely wrote, OP.
fade0ff And now "Dying Light" was added to the list of games that GOG doesn't sell to German customers without telling even them. It's a bloody shame that GOG became even more restrictive than Steam so quickly.
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