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No more outdated or abandoned games.
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phaolo Gog should demand by contract to receive the same updates as other stores (Steam).
And they should be delivered in a reasonable time frame too.
Allowing games to remain outdated for months (or even abandoned) is against the claim of a curated store.
allanmuir Pretty lame for such a recent game (riftbreaker):
Steam Update Tracking - steamdb.info/app/780310/patchnotes/
GoG Update Tracking - www.gogdb.org/product/2147483111/releasenotes
Missing 2 years of updates. There 'surprises' will keep me away from gog for modern games.
daniel_mm Yeah, even more recent games get updates slowly or not at all. I find myself checking Steam more often to not buy outdated games on GOG :-(
ChrisOzzie This is still a problem. Some games like Trepang2 took forever to update. Thank god it eventually happened, but GOG needs to put some pressure on devs/publishers to keep their games updated. Some games like Children of Morta have been totally abandoned, which is unacceptable.
SkedAddled GOG needs to take more responsibility for their listings, and stop their continued listings of obviously abandoned or for-years-unchanged offerings. Indeed, GOG must become PROACTIVE in maintaining their listings and NOT relying on visitors and users far maintenance to alert them of such problems.
We regularly see announcements and demos and previews and prologues of many games, some of them gain huge traction, then they stagnate and die, while GOG keeps most of them listed for several years, gathering income for GOG and the defunct studio/publisher/developer/team/individual. This is wrong.
GOG needs to become far more proactive in validating and certifying their listings, reaching out far more often to stagnant listings and submitters, confirming or denying if the projects are still in fact under active development.
I've grown extremely weary of the listings showing for years with no actual changes or updates to the projects, and I fault GOG for not maintaining their so-called 'curation' of the collections.
Leonaru This is still relevant. GOG used to be the place where you got games with an easy-to-use installer, not DRM, and running out of the box. Now it's a gamble whether your game will work properly, be patched, and have all the content.
Tikkia I remember hearing about "Breach of Trust" lawsuits. If the relevant laws are still active then the only thing we need to do is figure out whether it is gog at fault or the publisher/developer is at fault, and file accordingly. IF gog gets in enough trouble over this, WHEN THEY ARE NOT THE ONES RESPONSIBLE, it would cause gog to go after the publisher/developer. Should that happen then gog will get a bad reputation. Which will then result in the publishers/developers would quit coming to gog resulting in no more games. Same thing should customers go after the publisher/developer, if gog customers complain then gog will get a bad reputation, regardless of who is at fault. This sounds like a catch 22 situation. The only alternative that I can think of is for gog to tell the publishers/developers that if you are not going to provide the updates we will not do business with you any more. This would result in fewer games on gog, but they will at least be more likely to be supported.
VyndebX This is why I will not be buying anymore games on this platform
charlemagne1980 This is entirely on GoG; they are intentionally selling utterly broken games and then have in place a cantankerous refund process that ensures you are buried in emails until you give up. GoG is the most dishonest company I have ever seen; I am done with them; I have a dozen GoG games that simply do not work. I will stick with Steam from now on.
WickedKinetic +1 Here here. Sad that in a digital age we get more problems like this and it just cannot be ignored. This needs to be an absolute priority so that the GOG storefront is in parity with other storefronts available. General consumers should not be forced to do research on whether a game is at the latest version especially when it comes to the modding community. There needs to be a hard rule for devs / publishers to treat GOG customers as equals and not "second class citizens."
AstralWanderer When a developer fails to keep their GOG game updated in line with other stores, GOG should (a) mark it as "outdated" in their catalogue and product page and (b) place it on permanent 80-90% sale (yes, GOG should revise their contracts with publisers to provide this option).
gamefood "Allowing games to remain outdated for months (or even abandoned) is against the claim of a curated store."
Exactly. +1
Jeffry84 So you don't want old games on Good Old Games. 'k I guess...
linuxgamer1920 Couldn't agree more with you guys . I was willing to spend some major dough and buy almost every single Linux game on here. I have 455 Linux games on Steam and would have bough every single one at least that I can find on GOG. But without the GOG Galaxy client and regular updates especially for newer AAA and Indie titles I'm afraid I have not other choice but to go back to Steam :-( .
DaikonOcelot Yeah!! I think every single member here on GOG should vote this. A thousand is not enough! And I see no reason why people would go against this thing.
01101101 01101111 +1 (+more, if I could...) - after very unpleasant experience with Wolcen developers I think it's totally worth the effort.
Charodiy_UA @neotask in his post from Aug. 21, 2017 expresses a rather interesting opinion!
Charodiy_UA +1 vote from me, very needed!
Twiedeldum +1
It really should not be allowed that developers and publishers take money from Steam AND GOG customers but give patches, bugfixes, supported languages (especially when the good old gam already had it), new free content and (paid) DLC by that money ONLY to Steam users.
It is simply outright discrimination and exploitation that deeply unfair.
And no, getting thrown some crumbs in the form of getting some patch maybe MONTHS after it came to Steam after much complaing does not make it up for it.
You cannot expect the customer to do that.
Games that don't comply should after a reasonable timeframe (say, 15 days after Steam not on GOG, or content intentionally not for GOG, pissing on us even more) be flagged, publisher warned.
If the situation is not fixed (say, further 30 days) the game gets delisted, GOG customers get notified of it and offered the option of a free refund with no expiration.
Maybe: "We here at GOG value our customers. We cannot accept for them to discriminated against and to receive inferior products…"
The game can only be listed again if parity with Steam/other platforms is reached.
Whosoever publishes on GOG must not treat customers here worse than they do elsewhere.
/complaint
But I needed to say it
Silencer711 +1
(GOG) "Request "Missing Updates" for GOG Games from Developers/Publishers. " --- www.gog.com/wishlist/games/request_missing_updates_for_gog_games_from_developerspublishers
rogerT +1 !
Megacyclo Older games can stay abandoned for all I care (save for maybe a LAN wrapper for old network DOS games or something), however I find it unbelievable that, say, indie devs would rather only update their games on Steam because for as Indie as they wanna be, they still love DRM because IP is more important than selling and properly supporting a product...
I'm in favor of GOG putting more pressure on devs, it makes no sense to me that they should be the "second-rate Steam" because the business hates no-DRM (and even though no-DRM proved to positively affect sales).
ELFswe It's understandable if it takes time to push a patch to several platforms, but it shouldn't take a month or more.
andreasaspenberg2 i agree.
fridgeband I appreciate developers that have integrity, and I feel bad that some of them don't treat gog customers with any respect, at least according to what I hear everyone else talking about. If this is true, I would kindly ask that something be done about it. Please. Thank you and have a nice day.
hejkai Hear, hear. Nowadays I'm consulting the 'Games that treat GOG customers like 2nd class citizens' list before every purchase I make on GOG, to check if the publisher is updating on Steam and not here. It's a pain. And I'm not buying newer games in case the publisher decides to stop updating here. GOG really needs to get ahead of this.
Pulsed101 I've come across one or two steam games that didn't work on my system whereas GOG's version did work. I prefer GOG over steam for DRM, the games are a fraction cheaper on GOG and because they were the first to make old school games available again makes me a slightly loyal customer. I still buy games from both platforms but not supporting GOG is a bad idea in my opinion. Monopolies aren't a good thing.
imranf1 +1. It's infuriating to only find out after purchase that the listed version is BEHIND the versions sold elsewhere (e.g. Steam). This version history information needs to be on the product's STORE PAGE, not buried after buying it.
lonewolfgk I have also stopped buying games on GOG because of this. I went back to Steam. I get angry when Steam version gets updated and GOG does nothing. So why should I buy on GOG then. No reason to buy on GOG if they do not update their games.
I am specifically speaking of games that is available on Steam and GOG and get updated on Steam but not GOG.
Used to be big supporter of GOG but stopped buying since my game does not get updated like on Steam.
GOG can check how much i used to spend / buy here and what I spend / buy now. That will give GOG indication and proof that I do not buy because of this.
HACK_FRAUD and now system shock is outdated
johnny5wd I actually prefer *truly* abandoned games to be made available on GoG with community or third party updates and some effort if possible.
However what I think this vote is about, would be the fact that some older games are still updated for other platforms like Steam but not for GoG, for example most games published by 2K Games / Firaxis.
EXAMPLE: I bought Civ4 on GoG and it's missing true multiplayer (only works well with up to 2 players).
I own the original game and that worked with up to 40 players but is physical disc.
GameSpy died as predicted years ago, including all the problems that would cause: pllease game developers, support LOCAL LAN at least without relying on DirectPlay crap... older games like StarCraft, Diablo, WarCraft 2 etc. still work like a charm over LAN or direct IP.
Civ4 DID however receive an update to be able to play it multiplayer on Steam. The GoG version did not.
Now that GoG connect is available, because I already own the game physically AND on GoG I realize I should have bought it on Steam instead as it would have given me the version on GoG as a bonus while I could have played the updated DRM version on Steam. Missed chance. This is pushing some GoG fans to other platforms :-((
jepgog Also decided to stop buying games on GOG for this reason. This time it was Wizard of Legend lagging on game updates. I love DRM-free, but it's just not worth the tradeoff of waiting longer (or forever) for updates Steam is getting.
Lobuno I stopped purchasing ANY game on GOG because of this.
##@@##@@ fuck you game is not working LOL steams better
Banjo_oz I own a HUGE library of games on GOG and always would prefer to support them over alternatives, not just because I want DRM-free (i.e. I own what I pay for!) but I'd much rather support them as a company as their support has always been fantastic and they're not some big faceless conglomo who just wants money and doesn't care...
However, I love GOG for its old games (classic adventures, old FPS, etc.). Newer games are a different story. GOG has always been treated as an afterthought at best by most devs who release here, and I can accept getting updates much later than Steam due to the extra steps involved and the smaller client base, no matter how annoying it is.
More and more, though, newer games - especially "indy" ones are completely abandoned by their devs, with updates simply never being released for GOG, and either complete silence at worst or "ask and we might give you a Steam key since we don't feel like supporting GOG after all... too bad you paid twice the price already!).
Heck, I've personally argued with devs who refused the option of a GOG key instead of a Steam key even when the game is on both stores, with them citing erroneously that "GOG only give them a handful of keys", yet GOG have confirmed otherwise.
Sadly, the general masses think less and less about how and where they shop, Steam is seen as "convenient" (like those who actually like the idea of facial recognition devices, constant social media tracking and always-online software you 'rent') and seen as "the future".
It's a shame GOG, which originally was founded on putting the customer first and treating games as something that should run if someone buys them, doesn't enforce a contract with devs that if they don't update their games here, they stop receiving profits or even have their game removed and customers refunded.
Money talks, both for lazy indie devs who can't be bothered maintaining more than one storefront build and big companies who don't care about their customers once they've paid.
GOG should stand fast and keep its reputation rather than folding because it's too hard to face off these lazy or bullish devs.
Sturleson I started using this site when it was still "good old games" so I can't 100% say I don't want abandoned games here-I still come here for games I can't run/find anywhere else. That said, I agree with the spirit of the original post that gog ought to have it's games updated in a timely manner. I don't know if the problems are mainly on one side or which side, but if a few thousand habitual game buyers voted/spoke up for that equality of update and curation of the store I have to think any smart business would pay it notice.
side note: I have to contradict a couple posters mentioning steam as reliable- one example is fallout 3 in sales on steam without being compatible on windows 8 or 10.
Back on topic, this is a currently small issue that's kinda related to the other ways people lose confidence in GOG. Whether it's missing soundtrack/dlc or something else, once the community loses confidence that you're selling them a quality product your days are numbered. I still think GOG is a quality company, they at least tend to talk to customers more than most companies but I do hope they start addressing these issues.
And I hope we get a new thread for this with a more attractive title, lol. Seriously though.
pwilkos I agree. Current/final version or GTFO.
Mawthra This problem is getting tiresome and makes me hesitant about buying games on GOG... I love the store, the Galaxy client, the minimalist hands-off approach with enabling/disabling features, but when it all comes down to it, it's about the games and if the games you're buying are old, outdated or abandoned altogether, then that's a problem... that feeling of not knowing what you're getting into when you buy a game is a real problem
Frank_Booth Just 1 question: is there a list w/ all the not updated games.
Wolfram_von_Thal Absolutely, that's my main problem with GOG. I don't even buy new games here anymore because of this issue. Some games are outdated not only for months but literally for years. That's not ok. It has become a new habit for me to compare changelogs from GOG with those from Steam to be sure. I've even become a heretic and buy newer games on Steam now. They keep their games in line, that's for sure.
joppo Neotask is 100% correct. It's understandable if a patch released on steam happened to take a week to be released to GOG, but it's unacceptable to keep a game in a broken state for months because the dev can't be arsed.
So it should be in the contract that if it takes more than N days for us to get patches that were released elsewhere the publisher must pay a fine. Preferably a value that escalates with every week the game stays unpatched, so it doesn't take long for the cost of ignoring us to be higher than the cost of updating.
There are more points that should be included in the contracts for the sake of GOG users, regarding things like DLCs and Linux/Mac builds that were released DRM-Free elsewhere but not here, but it's beyond the scope of this wish.
neotask There should be something in the contracts between developers and GOG that forces developers to update the game to the same state as it was updated through any other channel no more than a month after such update was released. If a game is updated on Steam, Origin or wherever else it must get same fixes and content on GOG without exceptions.
rogerT waouh.. I'm confused now.
So If I clearly understand this post, GOG doesn't receive all the time the same patch as, for example Steam ?
I didn't know this .....
##@@##@@ @phaolo: While I thought the title was odd, you were able to make yourself quite clear in the description you provided. Maybe GOG's support can update the title for you to better reflect your wish. After all, you 'did' get those 558 votes, even with a sub-pars title, so there's definitely interest in that wish becoming a reality.
m3g-gog @bradelli: it is an issue, since some games receive additional content from updates. Some of those games also have DLC, which then get to be abandoned after an update or two. There's even a "DEV" category for such DLC that is intended to tag it as "constantly updating", yet the timeframe is giant/infinite within updates.
tfishell @bradelli: Actually, the point of the site now is to provide DRM-free games. You'll notice that it isn't actually "Good Old Games" anymore.
phaolo As I said before:
"Outdated" isn't the same thing as "old". Anyway, I cannot edit the title.
gamesfreak64 Outdated? i know he means games that take ages before we get updates and bugfixes cause Big old Steam seems to get all the priority from many devs, seems they always release it much sooner then at GoG.
When i see outdated the first thing you might think is to remove old games, personally i like old games much better.
Sad thing is the wishlist is for games that are ABLE to get here, the number of votes dont count or assure a game WILL get here.
Paperplanes, imho is a typical steamgame, is bad and looks bad, it had little to no votes and it arrived, which is sad cause many older games with more votes DONT arrive.
bradelli This is a non-issue. The point of this site is to provide working versions of games that would ordinarily not run easily on a modern Windows machine. Games that require either a Dos setup or some old Windows drivers. As long as GOG provide a version of the game that works on a modern system, and is the same game that was released back in 1995 or whenever, then everything is good. This is not Steam and never will be Steam. This site is for people to get old games to work. Nothing else. If you use this site for other reasons, you are wrong.
Astralysterious You should change the title of your claim. I was thinking something entirely different before I read your explanation.
Tiffo On a related note, fan content that is available on content like Steam should also be available for GOG buyers. For Prison Architect, GOG buyers are SOMETIMES able to download fan-made maps (beyond those that are now included with the game), but things like fan-made re-skin mods are often Steam exclusive.
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