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Posted May 21, 2011
Just found this on the Bio-Boards and thought I might share it :P


http://social.bioware.com/forum/BioWare-General/Off-Topic/Bioware-fans-downvoting-TW2-Metacritic-user-score-why-7431765-1.html
Before I open the floodgates, I bought every Bioware game at launch. I love Bioware, but it's not the end-all be-all of game companies. If anything, I like Bioware more than CDProjekt Red because I've been a longstanding fan of the Bioware RPGs and only recently bought TW1 and 2.

If you check out the user reviews for The Witcher 2 on Metacritic, all of the zero scoring users gave DA2 a 10/10 or 9/10. Why? Was DA2 the second coming of Christ and The Witcher 2 is trite dribble where you'd rather eat fresh horse **** than play it? As a disclaimer, I haven't played TW2 very much (only about 5 hours), but I did play through Dragon Age 2 for 70 hours. Anyone who gives DA2 a 10/10 should give TW2 at least 5/10 or higher because so much is similar. Both are RPGs, so that's worth at least a point, right? Both have pretty good stories, characters, voice acting, etc. On the graphics side, TW2 blows DA2 away both artistically and technically, but graphics don't make the game.

It seems that either DA2 fanboys are butthurt and want to destroy any competing game, or the review scale has lost most of what it meant when I grew up. In my day, 10/10 was a masterpiece, and 0/10 was something so broken, buggy, and downright terrible that playing it worsened your day. But now? People give 10/10 to games they like, and 0/10 to games they don't like. I guess that's the point of a subjective review system, but opinions should have no weight in a review score, only with how you formulate your arguments justifying any given score, and I've yet to see one of TW2's naysayers come up with better arguments than "I don't like this game, therefore it is **** incarnate".
And it's true, if you go there and click most of the people's usernames that gave it a "0" or "1", almost all of them voted Dragon Age 2 a "10".
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/the-witcher-2-assassins-of-kings/user-reviews?dist=negative
Posted May 21, 2011
I also find it incredibly funny because the games have little in common from my perspective.

Dragon Age II is a party-based, D&Dish RPG.
Witcher II is a player-based, Zelda-esque RPG.

I don't get why people have to make a fight over which is better out of it (DA2 stinks because it was rushed like hell, TW2 stinks because it's so buggy I think Magicka looks good by comparison - so if we want to go there, both games have plenty to criticize, while being very enjoyable nontheless).
Posted May 21, 2011
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Dexter111: Just found this on the Bio-Boards and thought I might share it :P


http://social.bioware.com/forum/BioWare-General/Off-Topic/Bioware-fans-downvoting-TW2-Metacritic-user-score-why-7431765-1.html
Before I open the floodgates, I bought every Bioware game at launch. I love Bioware, but it's not the end-all be-all of game companies. If anything, I like Bioware more than CDProjekt Red because I've been a longstanding fan of the Bioware RPGs and only recently bought TW1 and 2.

If you check out the user reviews for The Witcher 2 on Metacritic, all of the zero scoring users gave DA2 a 10/10 or 9/10. Why? Was DA2 the second coming of Christ and The Witcher 2 is trite dribble where you'd rather eat fresh horse **** than play it? As a disclaimer, I haven't played TW2 very much (only about 5 hours), but I did play through Dragon Age 2 for 70 hours. Anyone who gives DA2 a 10/10 should give TW2 at least 5/10 or higher because so much is similar. Both are RPGs, so that's worth at least a point, right? Both have pretty good stories, characters, voice acting, etc. On the graphics side, TW2 blows DA2 away both artistically and technically, but graphics don't make the game.

It seems that either DA2 fanboys are butthurt and want to destroy any competing game, or the review scale has lost most of what it meant when I grew up. In my day, 10/10 was a masterpiece, and 0/10 was something so broken, buggy, and downright terrible that playing it worsened your day. But now? People give 10/10 to games they like, and 0/10 to games they don't like. I guess that's the point of a subjective review system, but opinions should have no weight in a review score, only with how you formulate your arguments justifying any given score, and I've yet to see one of TW2's naysayers come up with better arguments than "I don't like this game, therefore it is **** incarnate".
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Dexter111: And it's true, if you go there and click most of the people's usernames that gave it a "0" or "1", almost all of them voted Dragon Age 2 a "10".
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/the-witcher-2-assassins-of-kings/user-reviews?dist=negative
And this is why a site like metacritic is bullshit. Why? Well, because for every serious review there are 20+ hate "reviews". If you want to read serious reviews, go to sites like bit-tech.net or PCgamer, at least they know how to write a couple of pages instead of just plastering on a score and move on...

I hate Metacritic and it's ilk. That doesn't mean that I hate you, the OP of this thread ;-)
Post edited May 21, 2011 by maul_inc
Posted May 21, 2011
Uhh... That's just the USER REVIEW section that has those shenanigans going on, which doesn't bother me too much because Metacritic collects the professional critics reviews in its own section and presents those first. User review aggregate score off to the side.

I find some of the hate being odd, I almost thought that bots were responsible for the writing of the reviews.

" to being impossible because of the obvious fact that this is just another console port."

The things they wrote made no sense sometimes. Still gonna play more Witcher 2, so there!
Posted May 21, 2011

Just found this on the Bio-Boards and thought I might share it :P


http://social.bioware.com/forum/BioWare-General/Off-Topic/Bioware-fans-downvoting-TW2-Metacritic-user-score-why-7431765-1.html
Before I open the floodgates, I bought every Bioware game at launch. I love Bioware, but it's not the end-all be-all of game companies. If anything, I like Bioware more than CDProjekt Red because I've been a longstanding fan of the Bioware RPGs and only recently bought TW1 and 2.

If you check out the user reviews for The Witcher 2 on Metacritic, all of the zero scoring users gave DA2 a 10/10 or 9/10. Why? Was DA2 the second coming of Christ and The Witcher 2 is trite dribble where you'd rather eat fresh horse **** than play it? As a disclaimer, I haven't played TW2 very much (only about 5 hours), but I did play through Dragon Age 2 for 70 hours. Anyone who gives DA2 a 10/10 should give TW2 at least 5/10 or higher because so much is similar. Both are RPGs, so that's worth at least a point, right? Both have pretty good stories, characters, voice acting, etc. On the graphics side, TW2 blows DA2 away both artistically and technically, but graphics don't make the game.

It seems that either DA2 fanboys are butthurt and want to destroy any competing game, or the review scale has lost most of what it meant when I grew up. In my day, 10/10 was a masterpiece, and 0/10 was something so broken, buggy, and downright terrible that playing it worsened your day. But now? People give 10/10 to games they like, and 0/10 to games they don't like. I guess that's the point of a subjective review system, but opinions should have no weight in a review score, only with how you formulate your arguments justifying any given score, and I've yet to see one of TW2's naysayers come up with better arguments than "I don't like this game, therefore it is **** incarnate".
And it's true, if you go there and click most of the people's usernames that gave it a "0" or "1", almost all of them voted Dragon Age 2 a "10".
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/the-witcher-2-assassins-of-kings/user-reviews?dist=negative
Did you notice that all of the "Bioware" reviewers don't even try to hide their fanboyism to be taken seriously? Well, there is a reason for that. Most of them actually hate DA2, they are trolls, and not the Vodka loving ones. There is an "operation" on 4chan video games board /v/, which I frequent, that is going since launch of TW2, by Bioware haters. It's simple, they register to metacritic with a username referencing Mass Effect, Dragon Age, but not older game such as Jade Empire, KOTOR, Neverwinter Nights or Baldur's Gate, give DA2 10, The Witcher 0 and write a review on Witcher 2 denouncing it with strawman arguments while praising DA2 in every sentence, with as much copious fanboyism as they can. They vote only for Dragon Age 2 and The Witcher to leave the impression of disgruntled Bioware employees or Biodrones (a nickname for Bioware Fanboys), and for one purpose only. To make others angry at Bioware, to make others open threads such as this one, complaining about it, to spread the Bioware hatred. It already spawned dozens of internet articles, in which Bioware employees and fans are blamed for instigating this "hatefest". Some do it to cause and spread mischief, some to attempt at reforming Bioware, making them "atone" for Dragon Age 2 (7/10 in my books, not worth buying but still fun playing).

Typed from my laptop while having a shit.

There is a Russian saying, the less you know, the better you sleep. Well, now you know more, enjoy your insomnia.
Post edited May 21, 2011 by Stormrage
Posted May 21, 2011
Yeah, user reviews on Metacritic suck big time.

In this case, though, I think it's probably 'an eye for an eye'. After all, the Bioware forums were plagued by trolls claiming, before either DA2 or TW2 were released, that TW2 isthe better game. There are still trolls claiming that Skyrim is better (use of present tense intentional). And when DA2 was released, Metacritic was flooded with user reviews from the same people awarding it a 0.

This is just revenge: anything you can do, I can do better.

Me, I enjoyed DA2, I'm enjoying TW2, and I'm looking forward to Skyrim and ME3. Why is that so hard?
Posted May 21, 2011
I dont understand it. Why people stick only to one game? why not play both dragon age and witcher?

Its not different genres (although I play every pc genre expect sport games). So why do bioware fanboys hate so much witcher games?

I played dragon age, and it is a good game. I played witcher, I played other bioware games like mass effect. Liked them all. So why people cannot be like me and just play this damn games instead surfing the web and hate each others?
Posted May 21, 2011
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Zeev: I dont understand it. Why people stick only to one game? why not play both dragon age and witcher?

Its not different genres (although I play every pc genre expect sport games). So why do bioware fanboys hate so much witcher games?

I played dragon age, and it is a good game. I played witcher, I played other bioware games like mass effect. Liked them all. So why people cannot be like me and just play this damn games instead surfing the web and hate each others?
Do read my post, fellow countryman. You are quite misguided regarding the hate. I explained it very clearly, the Bioware "fanboys" aren't to blame.
Post edited May 21, 2011 by Stormrage
Posted May 21, 2011
The real TW2 discussion thread at Social Bioware is this. The others are unimportant. (although we get visited by some trolls as well)

The Legendary "The Witcher 2" RPG.
http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/13/index/5214483/1

It's been on for 6 months now and for the past few days it jumped from 70 to 150 pages, mostly praising and expressing awe for this new milestone in the world of RPG's, 99% of devoted RPG and BW fans, like myself, who happens to be devoted fans of any of the great games we've experience in our gaming life, like MW, TES4, All the Gothics (when I say Gothic, please read Piranha Bytes!), NWN, BG, PS:T, TW1 and now TW2..
Posted May 21, 2011
Bioware + heres half a game,want the other half ?..pay us more money

CD Projekt + Heres a full game,want more ?..give us a minute we`ll drop it on our site for you free.

no matter what a "fan" tries to do to berate a game,you cant argue with facts.


I stopped reading reviews years ago,round about when kids of 12 to 15 years of age got access to the internet.
Reviews are usually fuelled by the lack of sex and testosterone,and bear no semblance to the actual product.

And forget to send a gift bag with the pre release version to a games review site and watch the crap they will print and publish.

just read the forums and make your own mind up is what i say.


and ps...dragon age 2 ????????
are you f`kin kidding me ?...the furor over that mess of a game is still going on today.


pps..everytime i see TW2 i think two worlds 2,can people just say W2,its less confusing... ;))
Post edited May 21, 2011 by ArnoldJ.Rimmer
Posted May 21, 2011
Yeah, and CDP fans gave TW2 400 perfect ratings on GOG.com a week before the game came out.


THIS JUST IN

USER RATINGS OF NO WORTH
Posted May 21, 2011
So, W2 fans giving it 10/10 gave DA2 very low scores, what's your point?

And besides some of us do think DA2 was better than W2. Shocking?
Post edited May 21, 2011 by Velvetmeds
Posted May 21, 2011
I think hes pointing out that a 10/10 score for a game not yet even released is a load of bollox ;)
Posted May 21, 2011
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KnThrak: Dragon Age II is a party-based, D&Dish RPG.
I know that was just for the sake of categorizing it, but that made me so, so incredibly sad to read. Comparing DA2 to D&D RPGs like Baldur's Gate is like comparing a reach-around from a toothless homeless man to a week-long supermodel orgy. The "ish" boat sailed after the first installment.

To the OP: most rational people know better than to take 0/10 and 10/10 reviews seriously. Rating anything a zero or perfect ten is like announcing, "My strong personal opinion/bias renders my arguments invalid!"
Posted May 21, 2011
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227: I know that was just for the sake of categorizing it, but that made me so, so incredibly sad to read. Comparing DA2 to D&D RPGs like Baldur's Gate is like comparing a reach-around from a toothless homeless man to a week-long supermodel orgy. The "ish" boat sailed after the first installment.
Well yeeeeees, I'm a die-hard Planescape Torment fanboi here, and I realize especially DA2 (unlike DAO) is very far away from that. Ultimately it does fall into a similar category though. Despite Hawke being slightly stronger than the partymembers the whole party is what matters, not Hawke alone.
Partymembers are moved via mousecommands in a party-command mode (even if centered around a single character all the time, that is switchable, to me it's more a bad choice of camera mode than anything else), you decide abilities for all members on an equal basis, you level them all...
It's all very reminiscent.

I don't make myself any illusions as to whether DA2 is of the same "calibre" as DAO, BG1/2 or (for me personally the best of them all) PS:T. It is however very enjoyable (for me), and I do classify it more into the "party RPG"-category. It just feels much more similar to those.
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