Do you mean these? I don't see reason for GOG not to add them so you might be better of bugging GOG support directly. They might have simply missed them/not asked them from CDP RED.

So far had no problems playing the witcher on Mac via VM Parallels 6.

1. I will give you this.

2. There is no reason what so ever to believe Valve wouldn't take care of you. They always have taken care of their customer. BTW I have been part of a service shutting down before and received retail boxed copies of all the games I had bought through a service.

Either way nothing points in the direction of losing your games.

3. Witcher 2 auto patches straight out of the install, so it's the same thing for new games from CD Projekt now apparently.

4. False. I have been using Steam for a long long time, and the only time I have ever seen downloads suspend are during the xmas sale and that happens rarely. When it does happen there are always servers that are available and you can download at 1+ meg a second.

5. If you are really following the EULA so are GOG and any other digital download store's games.

6. Yet plenty of people love this feature. Paranoid much?

7. Yet I have never had a game not run for me via Steam. Which version of the Witcher crashes? Oh that's right the GOG version.

8. So am I, but this isn't a valid argument regardles since the Witcher 2 auto patches as well.

9. When has Steam been down for any significant amount of time? How about GOG? Oh yeah you must have forgot their stunt earlier this year. When you download the game via Steam it is auto installed, so it is the same as not having your games downloaded from GOG when they "shut down" earlier.

10. Yet games like Half-life, Portal, Counter Strike, Transformers War for Cybertron, Elder Scrolls III and IV, and just about any game I can think of that has mods I can use them via Steam.

11. Compared to other DRM out there (Ubi's always online, or limited activations anyone?) I would gladly live with Steam's. I hate to tell you this but things will only get worse in terms of DRM in the gaming industry.

1. They're such a rip-off, they can be double the price of a DVD delivered to your door.

2. I'm not willing to risk my 300+ games, a hobby I love, to "no reason Valve wouldn't take care of me". And it might not be up to Valve.

3. No, you don't have to autopatch, and I wasn't comparing Steam to GoG, I was merely listing the disadvantages of Steam.

4. Rubbish, "downloads suspending" is one of the most complained issues on the Steam Forums.

See for yourself:

[url=]http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=en-GB&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGLL_enAU347AU348&q=steam+download+suspends[/url].

And just because it doesn't happen to you, that doesn't mean it's not an issue.

The world doesn't revolve around you.

5. I'm not talking about the EULA. For a start, they're not universally legally binding.

It depends on the court and the EULA.

Some courts have found them illegal and unconscionable.

BTW, where is the GoG EULA?

6. Just because some people love it, that doesn't mean everyone has to.

It's about individual choice, and with Steam, it's taken away.

Would you like your choices removed, just because it's convenient for others?

7. Runs fine for me and plenty of others. Obvious the problem is yours.

Regardless, it's very simple.

The more layers of software, the more chance of problems, that can't be denied.

8. I wasn't comparing it to The Witcher 2, I'm speaking generally about Steam.

And GoG has the advantage of time, so when a game is released, it won't have patch issues.

Whereas with Steam, you're a guinea pig. If a patch breaks the game, bad luck.

9. Steam's activation servers are regularly down for maintenance.

When I purchased Metro 2033, I couldn't even play it for almost 24 hours because of this.

Check the Steam forums for times when they shut their activation servers down.

As usual, it doesn't affect North American users much because of the time zone, but it affects me.

And BTW, when GoG's site was "gone", I could still install and play my games.

With Steam's down, I can't do either......

10. I never said Mods were impossible to use, I said it's harder to work with Steam games.

If you want to argue this point, then you're obviously new to gaming.

11. And compared to GoG, Steam's DRM is draconian.

You actually have to find the worst DRM to compare Steam to, to make it look good?

Regardless of what the state or future of DRM is, that doesn't mean I have to like or accept it, nor does it make Steam any more palatable.

postin' in a troll thread!! Curious to see what happens to it.

A few months ago I bought Braid on Steam without thinking it through. I was dumbfounded when I realized that I literally could not play the game without Steam running.

It goes without saying that, when GOG and Steam both release a title, the GOG version is the better buy.

Steam spams me every freaking time i connect a key for me to log-in.... that guard crap.

Every time i turn on steam they pop up advertisement of promos and stuff, i don't want spam.

I heard horror stories of people getting their accounts banned cause they entered a key that wasn't legit or gifting people games.
just an example(google if you want to find more):
http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/fk90z/steam_support_bans_my_account_for_gifting/


You have to update the latest version even if it doesn't support your OS or something u don't like is there.
I remember seeing threads with hundreds of people complaining now they have spend extra cash to play the game they already bought!
http://steamreview.org/posts/win98supportends/
If they stop supporting XP tomorrow bye bye to your games or you have to pay 100$ to play them again with a new OS(vista/win7).

If your games have fatal problems on steam good luck getting a refund.
I think it was saints row 2 where me and other people had problems where the game crashed after a certain mission and u couldn't continue, see how many threads are on steam of that.
GOG refund their customers if a bug is game breaking.
http://www.joystiq.com/2011/01/21/moto-racer-2-removed-from-gog-due-to-copy-protection/


Valve released a 3 hour game, console port and sold it for full price and as if that ain't enough you get day 1 DLC to pay for, so price goes almost to double.(Yes i am talking about Portal 2.) LFD franchise was also very short. I belive in quality over quanitity, but neither of these had any, oh and LFD was a ripped from a HL2 mod, zombie panic source?
Witcher 1(replaying it now :D) and 2 are classics RPG that last long enough to make your money worthwhile and have the staple of quality.

Valve rips off(team fortress was originally a quake mod, portal is a nebacular drop clone etc) games and uses an outdated engine to rip off customers even more.
They cannot come up with anything by themselves all they do is rip off.
CD Redprojekt actually come up with a new engine instead of making minor changes to an outdated engine.
Look at the leap from P1 to P2 and W1 to W2 and this becomes obvious.

They monopolize their games.
Valve games only on steam.
CDredprojekt games are everywhere steam, gamersgate, here etc

I wrote this in a hurry so if there are any typos i apologize.

Funny, my Steam version wouldn't load for me yet the GOG version works flawlessly. I never made a post about it (until now, damn!) since I figured everyone had a different computer setup. Now if this was a console game where the hardware is mostly the same, then I would understand.

Making of video can always make it to the bonuses. Maybe GOG has been a bit busy bringing out The Witcher 1 and 2 and other awesome GOG-y (o.O) stuff and didn't post it yet? They hurriedly brought out The Last Express with few, if any, bonuses just to make us happy and then added some bonuses later on.

No issues against Steam except, like GOG, they take too much of my money. :(

why would anyone buy two digital copies of the same game? I can see buying a physical and a digital one, but two digital?

I use both steam and gog. Generally I prefer gog do to the fact that if my internet dies I can still play my games. Some times steam won't let me load games if I'm offline. To be fair to steam it does not happen too often.

The verify the game online is the drm I hate the most. Especially if it does that often. Nothing worse than having the game shut down or stutter do to a authenticity test in mid play. Again steam and the other companies that use that form of drm are getting better at it but it is a annoyance that I would rather not have to deal with at all.

I live in a apartment building and my internet connection does at times die (a few seconds for the most part) And because I don't go to church often enough on Sundays It has a horrible tenancy to do that when the verification check happens. Which will either stutter the game or boot me.

Also for the record, the Witcher has never crashed on me.

If that question is towards me, GOG only recently brought Witcher over. Other then that, all I can think of is people like to support companies? :)

A lot of people did this for a variety of reasons. It seems reasonable to me, considering how ridiculously cheap the gog version was.

I can see the buying of multiple copies if the extras are different enough to want them (and be worth x amount for said extras) And I can see getting the special edition physical copy and a digital one. As for the supporting the company(ies) part, I guess I'm just not as loyal as some of you are. :p


Oi. For some reason when I saw this discussion and the two copies part. My brain went from witcher 1 at $4.99 to witcher 2 at 49.99.

So ya at the 4.99 price I can see why one might buy a second digital copy out of loyalty.

I like Steam because it's convenient in many ways.

I like GOG because it's convenient in many other ways.

For older games that are smaller and not receiving active updates I prefer GOG because I have complete control over where and how I install and archive my games, and the bonuses that are frequently included are very nice.

For newer games that are large and still receiving patches I prefer Steam because I don't have to worry about space for archiving the games, my CD keys and everything are already attached, and I don't have to scour the internet for patches (which, yeah, is easy enough for one game, but when I recently bought a new computer and had to reinstall my games it was nice to just go down a list, click "install" a bunch of times and have that be the end of it). Steam cloud is also a really nice service for the games that support it.

For me they're not competing services, they're complimentary.

Hmmm ... it's mostly working in Wine, but there are a few problems still in Wine for both Linux and OS X for the Witcher (regardless of where one bought the Witcher). I have Parallels 6 too but every time I try to play a game the game window comes up as really tiny (though I haven't tried the Witcher yet). Is there something special I need to do to play games in Parallels?

That's odd? I play in full screen with no problems. Is your parallels set for window mode? Plus the default for TW1 should be ful screen as well. I know that NWN1 plays in a small window on parallels but TW1 runs full screen for me.

I have a MBP 2007 4 gig ram with 128mb 8600gtm video. My vm is set for XP SP3, 2.xx gig ram with 256mb for video.