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emusan: actually the fact that you have to request a CD-Key proves that they do not distribute their games with any copy protection. The moment you request a CD-Key you are ASKING for copy protection. Also your right, they don't need to provide you with this game, and you don't need to buy it. If you are so scared of even the most basic forms of copy protection present in 99% of games, you can go back to playing Zork, but you WILL NOT find a commercial multiplayer PC game, made in the last 10-15 years, that does not use copy protection of any sort.

So again, you get the game without copy protection, your free to play single player all you want without having to worry about CD-Keys or anything else. However, if you do accept the copy protection(which in this case is quite minimal, so I don't even know why you care), you will get "bonus features".

I do admit that there are some problems with gog, but they are so few and far between that they really don't matter. Even you can only find a gripe with ONE GAME, out of the hundreds they offer.

And if you really want to play LAN without any CD-Key's, write the program yourself, if you think its so easy.
Your arguments are as empty as your soul.
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james5272: Your arguments are as empty as your soul.
Anything particular you would like to point out about my arguments? As for my soul, I really couldn't care less about how empty it is.
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cogadh: This is not a matter of GOG not sticking to their guns, this is a matter of there being absolutely no way around the multiplayer key requirement. GOG does not control the multiplayer servers and has no means of removing the key requirement those servers have. If they did, you can be certain it would be gone. If you want to complain to someone about the key requirement on NWN, then level your complaints at the proper source: BioWare and Atari. They are the ones who created this game and its multiplayer servers that require that key, they are the only ones with the ability to remove that requirement.
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james5272: Who controls what is and is not distributed through GoG.com? If they cannot get the games they want posted to be 100% copy protection free (which, again, is part of their business model), they should not be providing them. Alternatively, they should dump the "DRM and copy protection free" claim if it is untrue.

This is a problem with GoG, whether or not the lovers admit it.
So you would rather GOG not sell a game that you might really want because the multiplayer aspect of it might require a key in order to properly log in to the server? That would be an incredibly stupid business move on the part of GOG. Not only would they lose out on the business from that game, they could lose out on future business when their customers start going to other sources for the games they don't carry. The fact is, the multiplayer key is little more than a server access password, not DRM. If you have a problem with that, then why don't you have a problem with needing to enter a password to get onto GOG in the first place, or any other online service for that matter?
emusan: No, your arguments aren't worth picking apart. They're hilariously inept.

cogadh: My server access password is the password I put in when I log in to NWN, which is unnecessary. My password on this site is for me to login, so others can't easily access my account and download what I paid for. See the difference? No, you won't.
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james5272: emusan: No, your arguments aren't worth picking apart. They're hilariously inept.
I'm sorry if you had trouble understanding them, you seem to have problems with that. I was simply, in my previous post, explaining that you do in fact get the game free of any copy protection, and that if you wanted multiplayer, you could accept a VERY SMALL amount of copy protection, used in almost every commercial multiplayer(and most single player) game for the past 10-15 years. If you are THAT afraid of copy protection, then you are either a pirate, or a paranoid loser.

With your reasoning, having to own and put in a disc is also WAY over the top copy protection, and any company that has ever sold a game on a disc can't say that their game is DRM free. Maybe in your world every game is distributed for free digitally, but in the real world, it costs money to make stuff.

Also, don't you think that the fact that you need an account on this site is too much copy-protection? After all, they advertise that they have NO copy-protection, so why do we need accounts on this site, isn't that also copy-protection?
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james5272: emusan: No, your arguments aren't worth picking apart. They're hilariously inept.
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emusan: I'm sorry if you had trouble understanding them, you seem to have problems with that. I was simply, in my previous post, explaining that you do in fact get the game free of any copy protection, and that if you wanted multiplayer, you could accept a VERY SMALL amount of copy protection, used in almost every commercial multiplayer(and most single player) game for the past 10-15 years. If you are THAT afraid of copy protection, then you are either a pirate, or a paranoid loser.

With your reasoning, having to own and put in a disc is also WAY over the top copy protection, and any company that has ever sold a game on a disc can't say that their game is DRM free. Maybe in your world every game is distributed for free digitally, but in the real world, it costs money to make stuff.

Also, don't you think that the fact that you need an account on this site is too much copy-protection? After all, they advertise that they have NO copy-protection, so why do we need accounts on this site, isn't that also copy-protection?
I didn't say I had trouble understanding your arguments. Your response shows that it's you who lacks the understanding.

I'm through debating with you, child.
Well this degraded into a troll-fest real fast. So much for reasonable discussion on the subject, but then I guess that shouldn't have been expected with a closed-minded and over-opinionated person like yourself.
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cogadh: Well this degraded into a troll-fest real fast. So much for reasonable discussion on the subject, but then I guess that shouldn't have been expected with a closed-minded and over-opinionated person like yourself.
Try not to hurt yourself when falling from that high horse of yours.
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james5272: Try not to hurt yourself when falling from that high horse of yours.
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james5272: I'm through debating with you, child.
Only one person on a "high horse" here, you were the one who came here and asked a question, we have answered it and more, whether or not you accept our answers doesn't matter. The FACT is that there is no reason for GoG to change anything just because some idiot in their forums thinks that they should re-create or remove NWN from their list for requiring a CD-Key.

Good Day, Sir.
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james5272: I'm through debating with you, child.
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emusan: Only one person on a "high horse" here, you were the one who came here and asked a question, we have answered it and more, whether or not you accept our answers doesn't matter. The FACT is that there is no reason for GoG to change anything just because some idiot in their forums thinks that they should re-create or remove NWN from their list for requiring a CD-Key.

Good Day, Sir.
You answered nothing, you just came up with other (often unrelated) reasons to try and minimize the insult of NWN requiring a CD-key to access all features when the policies of GoG never indicate that such would be a requirement - they only suggest that games are 100% copy-protection, DRM free. Telling me that PC games release with copy-protection does not change this fact, nor does telling me I need to log in to GoG to access my personal information change this fact.

Also, if you want to stoop to calling me an idiot, you may want to look at how you misinterpreted my statement of calling your arguments "inept" as me saying "I don't understand you.". The internet is at your disposal - if you do not understand a word, it is quite easy to look it up and understand it, before creating a response created due to the use of one word.

Really, this entire "debate" is useless. I'm going to be more careful with future GoG purchases because they've obviously decided to take liberties with their policy, and those that think my concerns are "outrageous" are going to continue to tell me how arrogant I am for expecting to be sold exactly what I have bought - 100% copy-protection free comes across as 100% copy-protection free to me, but apparently this is meant to be open to interpretation, like it's a piece of art and not a business practice.
Post edited November 27, 2010 by james5272
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james5272: You answered nothing, you just came up with other (often unrelated) reasons to try and minimize the insult of NWN requiring a CD-key to access all features when the policies of GoG never indicate that such would be a requirement - they only suggest that games are 100% copy-protection, DRM free. Telling me that PC games release with copy-protection does not change this fact, nor does telling me I need to log in to GoG to access my personal information change this fact.
I'm sorry that you feel insulted that GoG would give you an unmodified game.

And we have answered you, many times. Your original question was why do you have to request a cd key. This was answered in Post 2. You then asked if a CD-Key was a form of copy protection. We said yes, but only because some multiplayer servers were set up to require a key, and we can't change that. You then wen ton to insult GoG, and stated that they shouldn't sell a game that requires a CD-Key or that they should stop saying that they are DRM and copy-protection free.

I then brought up the fact that they actually don't distribute the game with any copy protection, due to the fact that you have to request it, which you should know when you purchase it. When you request a CD-Key, you are essentially stating that you are okay with the minimal amount of copy protection. If you didn't want the CD-key due to the copy protection it brought along, you could just play single player. You should have known that you would not be able to access multiplayer without copy protection from the point you bought it, so maybe GoG is at fault for not making it well enough known.

After that post, you insulted me, I asked why, and you insulted me again. I tried to clarify, and added that with your broad definition of copy protection, even game disks would be included. You then called me a child, another insult, and then insulted cogadh, who was being quite a bit more reasonable than I was.

EDIT: I do also have to wonder what games you do install on your pc if you truly hate copy-protection this much.

Also, you must have some serious problems with windows, as that activation is quite a bit of copy protection.
Post edited November 27, 2010 by emusan
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emusan: Also, you must have some serious problems with windows, as that activation is quite a bit of copy protection.
This is why your arguments consistently fail to win me - you think my problem is with copy-protection, period. The Windows installer makes no claim that it is copy-protection free, nor do the many games that come out these days.
Post edited November 27, 2010 by james5272
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cogadh: Well this degraded into a troll-fest real fast. So much for reasonable discussion on the subject, but then I guess that shouldn't have been expected with a closed-minded and over-opinionated person like yourself.
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james5272: Try not to hurt yourself when falling from that high horse of yours.
Hello, Pot? This is Kettle. I only have one thing to say to you: black!
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james5272: This is why your arguments consistently fail to win me - you think my problem is with copy-protection, period. The Windows installer makes no claim that it is copy-protection free, nor do the many games that come out these days.
But one of my original arguments, for which stated that I was inept(which, by the way, is not far from idiotic FYI), was that gog does in fact not give you the game with copy protection. You can't just pick and choose which parts of my posts you look at. I'm not re-stating it again, look at my last post, and actually read it, you will(hopefully) understand that gog does in fact give you the game with ZERO copy protection.
Post edited November 27, 2010 by emusan
Forgive me if I come across as ignorant, but I was only told I'd be getting a game completely DRM free, not completely copy protection free.

Just sayin'.
Post edited December 03, 2010 by chipputer