Cool. From what I have heard the classic edition ships with NWN EE though. All hear-say at present, but that is the rumour going around.

Might have been an overlap, elcook did stated the wrong game prior :D

(see elcooks edit remark) :D

Thank you for the clarification and support. Hopefully he will stop accusing people without facts.

Cheers.

Seems like a good majority of this brouhaha could have been avoided if Beamdog included the classic soundtrack in the “basic” Enhanced Edition, and offered at least a trivial discount to existing owners through Steam and GOG. Or even thrown in the “Heroes of Neverwinter” portrait pack as a gesture of goodwill to existing game owners.

For me personally, I have purchased nearly every version of NWN in existence over the years: Original, both Expansion Packs on release, Platinum Edition, Diamond Edition, GOG Edition – which is basically a repacked Diamond Edition. And I bought most of those at full price. And now I'm being asking to purchase this Enhanced Edition -- and I'm really rolling my eyes and sighing because I can't understand why I'm being asked to pay FULL PRICE for a game I purchased 15 years ago YET AGAIN without ANY acknowledgement of the fact that I've already bought this game at least five times over.

While Beamdog can claim that my “benefit” has been that I’ve been enjoying this game over the past 15 years, I could spin that around and claim that Beamdog would not be in a position to be releasing and profiting from an Enhanced Edition of this game if I and many other dedicated players like me had not been financially supporting this game over the past 15 years.

You (@Beamdog / @TrentOster) wouldn’t be here if I and others like me hadn’t been supporting this game for the past 15 years, so throw us a bone and acknowledge our long-term support above and beyond those who are buying the game for the first time. Heck, I don't care if you only give me a $5 discount and a forum badge -- just do SOMETHING to make me feel like my long-term support is appreciated or even acknowledged.

Couldn't agree more on this.

For once, I'd like to see Beamdog put some real touches on the game such as enhanced graphics and gameplay without the SJW crap they're shoving to us, the gamers.

I enjoyed their enhanced version of Icewind Dale and if this is another lazy project to leech off consumers by releasing "enhanced" games without any improvements, then it's not worth it.

No lying, please. The screenshot you've posted is of the Planescape Torment Enhanced Edition. As the blue has already said, the soundtrack can't be found in the EE's bonuses, BUT in the classic version's bonuses (which you get for free with the EEs).

I, myself, have wrongly believed that Beamdog took away the original version's soundtracks, which simply was not true. I feel bad about jumping on the hate wagon and not verifying that rumor myself.

So just to make sure it's crystal clear, you DO have the soundtrack listed as a bonus for the original Planescape Torment, and you DO get the original Planescape Torment when you buy the EE. Same goes for other EEs.

https://s17.postimg.org/5cg8zuvf3/ptscreen.png

Here's a screenshot to prove it. It's in polish, but I've underlined the soundtrack.

Yes, I'm NOT happy about some moves Beamdog makes, like the bundling controversy - but it does NOT make it right to spread false rumors. Beamdog has NOT taken away any soundtrack. Period.

You got this separate classic PST with bonuses before or after buying EE?

Before. If someone can confirm that the original PT given with PT:EE lacks soundtrack, preferably by posting a screenshot, please do so and I'll change my mind in an instant - Stig79 posted only a screenshot of the PT:EE's bonus list, which proves nothing and I took what blue said as an indication that the confusion was caused only by the fact the soundtrack is listed as the original's bonus, not the EE's.

Blue text mentioned about IWD, the situation with PST is slightly different(the classic version appears in the EE bonuses, and if you bought the PST before EE relese, then you will not even get it)
https://www.gog.com/forum/planescape_torment/anyone_get_the_key_of_the_original_planescape_torment/post5

A new buyer cannot buy the original game with its original extras. While Beamdog may not have taken the soundtracks away, they have hidden them behind a higher paywall, which nets them both more money and more "popularity". To me, this sounds like the same thing. Not that it matters, since the soundtrack is not even remotely the biggest issue here.

I had a much longer rant about how you people need to get some perspective, since the soundtrack issue is all you're focusing on, but then the GOG forum crashed when I submitted, and I don't feel like typing it over. To summarize, though: the issue is that Beamdog wants to charge buyers 2x or more, even if those buyers don't want the "enhancements" (e.g. when I bought the IE games here, the EEs were still separate, and I didn't want them, but these days I'd have to buy them anyway). NWN in particular has another major issue: the EE will create a new rift in the modding and server community, due to incompatibility. There will be no revitalization of the NWN mod/server community; instead, there will be a new "NWN-EE" community.

I hate to keep repeating this, but if Beamdog really had gamers' interests at heart, as the boundless optimists seem to think, they would release (or announce they are working on) a new game (cashing in indirectly) rather than trying to cash in directly, as they have repeatedly done. They may still get critics telling them that they ruined the franchise (e.g. Bethesda/Fallout), but at least they didn't take the games that made the franchise away (I can still get Interplay Fallouts).

I understand that perfectly and feel the same. Nevertheless, this is a separate issue to the soundtrack being taken away.

Not to play devil's advocate here, but the bundling does have a plus side in context of what you said about dividing the community.

Let's imagine the games are unbundled on GOG (you can get NWN:DE for $10 or NWN:EE for $20). A potential new player may be interested in playing on various servers.
By buying NWN:DE, he won't have access to NWN:EE servers. By buying NWN:EE, he won't have access to NWN:DE servers. He could only buy both, but that would be $30 instead of $20 or $10. In such a scenario, the bundle can be a good thing and would help to minimize the community division.

On the other hand, if someone wants to buy only NWN:DE - which can happen for many reasons, from not wanting to support Beamdog, to wanting to play only on 1.69 servers, to having Windows XP, to wanting to play only with friends who have NWN:DE and don't plan on buying NWN:EE - then keeping the games unbundled is a better thing.

What I'm trying to say is that depending on individual customer's situation and desires, the bundle may be better or the unbundling can be better. I, myself, would rather have them unbundled than bundled.

The best idea - one that has been proposed on Beamdog's forums - would be keeping the bundle, BUT at the same time allowing people to buy NWN:DE separately for its current price. It would be a win-win for everyone - people buying NWN:EE wouldn't be locked out from NWN:DE servers (because they'd get NWN:DE, too - the advantage of having the games bundled), while those who really are not interested in NWN:EE could buy NWN:DE as they could all this time (the advantage of having the games unbundled).

Really, everyone would be happy this way.

And don't think me a Beamdog fanboy - I've already created a thread on their forums about the idea of keeping the games unbundled on GOG and have been defending this idea against those who'd rather see them bundled.

I mostly agree with what you said here, in the context of what Beamdog has already decided to do. It's a good compromise (not that I expect them to do that, mind you). However, I'm sticking to my guns here, and believe that working on a new game is the best idea. You don't have the confusion, the need for multiple copies to connect to NWN1 servers, the need to add another tag to mods to show compatibility, and no real incentive to bundle at all. I mean, NWN2 can't connect to NWN1 servers or use NWN1 mods, either, but you don't hear me or anyone else with half a clue complaining about that. Also, when people like something in a franchise, they may try older stuff in that franchise as well, so making a new game may actually increase the number of NWN1 players as much as, or even more than an NWN1 takeover.

Or as what has been done in the old days, if you had the original you got a discount? But that already shows, they don't want to do it.....

To make this point clear, NVM you can get on sale for 2 bucks, Oh, not a lot of profit, right?

Selling the new one (with marginal work) for full price (even selling the premium moduls) again for extra cash, despite you already might own them, yep a far better deal for them and the shitty end of the stick (again) for the customers.

BUT this does not take away from the valid point, whichever way they go, they WILL divide the community....

According to the information available:

Serers are incompatible. So, for the guys running the servers.....shall they still support classic, or just new?

Mods are incompatible.

AND they plan on using steamworkshop.....

On top of it, they could have easily avoided ALL this by just making a PATCH to get ALL on the same level, right? (Or sell it as an add-on for owners of the original)

Would not really mean a lot more work for them.

(still leaving some 'minor' questions though like steamworkshop etc).

But now really think for yourself, with this in mind, do you really want to support it?
Do you still see anything positive in this?

Just my 2 cents

I don't think so. Because I think most people would keep buying the original version, instead of Beamdog's double priced version for some superficial changes.

So there is ZERO chance Beamdog would do this because it doesn't benefit Beamdog.