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edit: ok gotta to rewrite the post, im terrible at using the reply feature and none of my responses came up, just one long wall of quotes.

so from top down to post 15

The death falling down on sinner and innocent alike seems to mean that the killing (whatever its source) was indiscriminate, it still does not specify god is the origin of the evil. And im not inventing anything, thats how I understood the passage the first time through, and how i still understand it. just as when i first heard the title Caesar conqueror of Gaul i didn't think he was a Gaul, nor did i think that Attila was thought to be sent by god because the romans called him "scourge of god"

What would my bias be then?

How exactly is the devil an agent of God?

Every government has an organization which roots out dissidents and enemies of the state, including the US (FBI, CIA) and UK (Special Branch) , so why specifically is the inquisition being compared to North Koreas secret police?
Post edited September 01, 2012 by BabylonianKing
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BabylonianKing: The death falling down on sinner and innocent alike seems to mean that the killing (whatever its source) was indiscriminate, it still does not specify god is the origin of the evil. And im not inventing anything, thats how I understood the passage the first time through, and how i still understand it. just as when i first heard the title Caesar conqueror of Gaul i didn't think he was a Gaul, nor did i think that Attila was thought to be sent by god because the romans called him "scourge of god"
You seem to misunderstand context. In the two examples you provide, the word 'of' has an opposite meaning. If Caesar was a Gaul, then his title would be "Gaulish Conqueror", or "Conqueror from Gaul", not "Conqueror of Gaul", the word 'Conqueror' provides context specifying how the word 'of' should be interpreted. As for Atilla and "The Scourge Of God", that is literally what the nickname implies, that he was acting as God's whip. A "Scourge" is a whip, the phrase "the whip of God" implies that God is the source of the whip, or the owner, not the one who is being whipped.

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BabylonianKing: What would my bias be then?
You tell me.

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BabylonianKing: How exactly is the devil an agent of God?
Where did the Devil come from? If God is the one true god, then he is the source of everything.

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BabylonianKing: Every government has an organization which roots out dissidents and enemies of the state, including the US (FBI, CIA) and UK (Special Branch) , so why specifically is the inquisition being compared to North Koreas secret police?
Because of how they operate, and who is in charge. If the UK or US were totalitarian states, then then they would be no different.
having not yet read the novel, though Im going to take the time this evening to do so, it seems your automatically applying real world religious principles to the god of this game, a god and religious history which i assume does not exactly mirror that of medieval catholicsm.
What makes you think this god is responisble for the creation of this devil? What if this games religion has a god devil relationship like the old persian religion of ormuzd and ahriman? One is inherently good and the other is inherently evil, neither created the other. Now granted it is more likely that the game mirrors the christian religion as far as its god devil relationship goes but still we are making assumptions by assuming that the devil was created by god in this game.

My bias, i dont have one other than lets not judge the religion of a fictional game and write it (and its inquisition) off as automatically being evil before either of us even know what it is.

before i continue with the arguement of the "of" in the title, im gonna read the novel first. I dont want to put the energy forward to defend this and then find out the scourges are really from god.
Post edited September 01, 2012 by BabylonianKing
Back to the questions about the plot, I think the game's description is a little bit misleading. I assumed at first that it was about the historical Inquisition, especially as it was pitched as a medieval RPG. This isn't really the case.

From what I gather, the plot is a fantasy re-imagining, I guess, of the historical Inquisition. The church in-game contains a lot of references to the Roman Catholic church (Saint Ezekiel, Twelve followers, a First Prophet, etc). Unlike the historical Inquisition, there seems to be a very real threat of demonic invasion here. Take a look at the screenshots from the official website.

1. Green monsters, impaled humans, tattered tents dripping with blood.
2. Combat with a gargoyle-like creature.
3. A dungeon with what appears to be several sacrificial altars covered in human bodies.
4. The undead.
5. Another gargoyle-like creature.

This game looks similar to the Diablo series, but with the involvement of an entire religious organisation instead of a few heroes. It actually has me pretty keen.
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BabylonianKing: having not yet read the novel, though Im going to take the time this evening to do so, it seems your automatically applying real world religious principles to the god of this game, a god and religious history which i assume does not exactly mirror that of medieval catholicsm.
What makes you think this god is responisble for the creation of this devil? What if this games religion has a god devil relationship like the old persian religion of ormuzd and ahriman? One is inherently good and the other is inherently evil, neither created the other. Now granted it is more likely that the game mirrors the christian religion as far as its god devil relationship goes but still we are making assumptions by assuming that the devil was created by god in this game.
Of course I'm making assumptions based on my interpretation of what is described in the plot. I don't know what the true story is, the whole purpose of this thread is to find out from somebody who does know before I waste money on something I might inherently dislike.

Arguing semantics with somebody who's making a knee-jerk defence of something, based on their own bias and assumptions when they don't actually know what I'm trying to find out, is almost as inane as the plot sounds.

It's quite obvious that I think the described role is inherently bad, and you believe the described role is inherently good. The purpose of this thread isn't to convert somebody from one side to the other, it's to find out whether the described role is in fact as deep as it goes, or if there is a deeper twist in the plot that might redeem the game for me. If you want to or don't care if you play as a god-fearing zealot, that's fine, I'm not trying to stop you from buying the game.
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Post edited September 25, 2023 by coffeecatttt
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sear: The game is similar to Lionheart in that it presents a historical situation but provides an alternate universe imagining filtered through a more traditional fantasy lens. Magic, curses, demons, angels, etc. are real in Inquisitor's world and the forces of Hell are a very serious threat. It's not by any means meant to be historically accurate.
But I take it that's as deep as it goes, ultimately your role is to be a plain straight inquisitor doing God's work?
So I'm guessing you can't play a "good"-aligned character or betray the church for pagans or something?
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himselfe: It's quite obvious that I think the described role is inherently bad, and you believe the described role is inherently good.
Based on the advertising, I see it like that: my character will be trying to placate an all-powerful insane mind-reading terrorist that holds the world hostage, by any means necessary, with all the doublethink it entails. If that reading holds, Inquisitor will be a much honest and ethical game than the sugarcoated nightmarish worlds of quadratic heroic fantasy.
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Post edited September 25, 2023 by coffeecatttt
So far the English translation is awful....
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sear: It's not quite that simple. The Inquisition is one faction in the church, and they are at odds with the paladin faction, the Brotherhood. Both have their own goals and means to approaching them, though it seems the Brotherhood is definitely the "good" side while the Inquisition is the "evil" side.
I would say that the good/evil question is more about individual people than factions in general.
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Post edited September 25, 2023 by coffeecatttt