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Is there a way to see if a game has regional pricing? With most of the games on the list I see the get-x-dollar-back message, but not always...
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handsfree: Is there a way to see if a game has regional pricing? With most of the games on the list I see the get-x-dollar-back message, but not always...
If you don't get the dollar back message it meens your price is the same as the US members pay for it which is gogs base price for instore credit.
Post edited September 06, 2014 by Matruchus
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handsfree: Is there a way to see if a game has regional pricing? With most of the games on the list I see the get-x-dollar-back message, but not always...
I would think given your region, the get dollar back message should be definitive. Which on the list does it not seem to work?
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handsfree: Is there a way to see if a game has regional pricing? With most of the games on the list I see the get-x-dollar-back message, but not always...
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Matruchus: If you don't get the dollar back message it meens your price is the same as the US members pay for it which is gogs base price for instore credit.
Yes, but then I still don't know if regional pricing has been applied, and I don't want to support that by accidently buying such a game.
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handsfree: Is there a way to see if a game has regional pricing? With most of the games on the list I see the get-x-dollar-back message, but not always...
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RWarehall: I would think given your region, the get dollar back message should be definitive. Which on the list does it not seem to work?
Wasteland 2 (not that I'm interested in it, but just so I know how it works).
Post edited September 06, 2014 by handsfree
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Matruchus: If you don't get the dollar back message it meens your price is the same as the US members pay for it which is gogs base price for instore credit.
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handsfree: Yes, but then I still don't know if regional pricing has been applied, and I don't want to support that by accidently buying such a game.
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RWarehall: I would think given your region, the get dollar back message should be definitive. Which on the list does it not seem to work?
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handsfree: Wasteland 2 (not that I'm interested in it, but just so I know how it works).
Hmm...looking at the announcement seems only in the UK is it more than U.S. price which is unusual. I'd guess there are more places (like Russia) who will pay less from the wording

"If you end up paying more than than the US price ( this applies to UK gamers only in this), we will reimburse the difference from our own pocket, giving it back to you in store credit (this is what we call the "Fair Price Package")."

If everyone were the same price except UK, they would just say that.
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RWarehall: Hmm...looking at the announcement seems only in the UK is it more than U.S. price which is unusual. I'd guess there are more places (like Russia) who will pay less from the wording
So how can you tell it's more expensive in the UK? I don't see anything about that.
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RWarehall: Hmm...looking at the announcement seems only in the UK is it more than U.S. price which is unusual. I'd guess there are more places (like Russia) who will pay less from the wording
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handsfree: So how can you tell it's more expensive in the UK? I don't see anything about that.
See the quote above? Came from the news announcement linked from the front page.
http://www.gog.com/news/preorder_wasteland_2_digital_deluxe_edition
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RWarehall: Hmm...looking at the announcement seems only in the UK is it more than U.S. price which is unusual. I'd guess there are more places (like Russia) who will pay less from the wording
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handsfree: So how can you tell it's more expensive in the UK? I don't see anything about that.
Wait a few days till Sinistar gets the script right for deals on gog and you will see all the prices then for Wasteland 2.

Edit: RWarehall is right its stated there that only UK customers are affected by higher regional pricing in this case.
Post edited September 06, 2014 by Matruchus
Oh, I was looking at the gamecard (the link in the first post), not the announcement.
Post edited September 06, 2014 by handsfree
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handsfree: Oh, I was looking at the gamecard (the link in the first post), not the announcement.
You will never see if the game is regionally priced from the gamecard - you will find that only in the game annoucement and in this thread :)
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paladin181: We are all starting from the same place. We all want to purchase a game.
Some of us have to work 5 hours to be able to afford a flat priced game, others have to work 50 hours to be able to afford the same flat priced game. That to you is fair.

I'm not saying that the specific implementation is right or wrong. I'm saying that calling flat pricing "fair" is ignorant. And I have been saying it for quite some time.
We are not supposed to know what happens in the other regions. You could try using a VPN, or a script like the one Sinistar is using, but that's just that, a workaround.

Seriously though, as to boycotting companies that use any kind of regional prices: is it really a problem that Russia, South America etc are paying less than USA and Europe? Or when Europeans pay 10% more than Americans? The concept of regional prices is not, in itself, something inherently good or bad. The problem is the logic behind its implementation (who does it affect? why? and most importantly, how?).

I'm totally fine that people of countries with a weak economy get charged less. That's regional pricing done right. What is NOT fine is East Europe having the same prices as the richest parts of Europe. I'm NOT fine with the 1$ = 1€ policy. I'm NOT fine with paying +50% than the USA when in my country VAT is "only" (sigh) 23%; sure I can respect that publishers need to deal with VAT, but they should stop usind it as an excuse to try and shaft us. And frankly, I'm not happy that Gog decided to take one for the team either. It's not good for me, and it's not good for Gog.

However, not every publisher out there is trying to abuse the system, that has to be said; and those who aren't do not deserve boycotting. If done right, e.g. adapting prices to the purchasing power of a specific region, regional pricing would be a lot more fair than flat worldwide prices.
At this point I'd rather see Gog push in that direction than revert to the old price system, push for fair prices for real (and see what new publishers they manage to get on board, after all they gave in to regional pricing because they wanted to expand, right?).
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JMich: Some of us have to work 5 hours to be able to afford a flat priced game, others have to work 50 hours to be able to afford the same flat priced game. That to you is fair.

I'm not saying that the specific implementation is right or wrong. I'm saying that calling flat pricing "fair" is ignorant. And I have been saying it for quite some time.
Yes, it is fair. To claim it is ignorant is wrong. What about poor people in the higher priced regions? Many German people specifically make far less than the average in the EU, and yet they are lumped in with the rest as having the same price point. Is that fair? Poor people in the US who can barely afford to clothe themselves, should they get a discounted price? Fair value isn't determined by what people "can afford," especially not in a luxury like entertainment. If you can't afford it, it's perfectly fair that you don't get it.

The biggest problem with saying "they're poor so they get a cheaper price" is that there are poor people everywhere, and in some places, they simply go without. But an entire country? Nope, then it's not fair. Except it is because things have value, and not some arbitrary value assigned by people trying to squeeze an extra buck out of someone simply because they "can afford it."

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RWarehall: You ever hear of Senior Citizen discounts or how about Student discounts to the movies? Are you saying you can walk into a movie theatre and demand the same price as a senior or student even though you aren't one "because it's only fair if you get all the discount anyone else does?

The most logical comparison is to compare to the most common/most used price which seems to always be the U.S. dollar price. Amazingly, GoG also seems to also use this price for store credit for those that pay more due to regional pricing.

But maybe you can also argue that since GoG has already discounted most of these games 75% in the Summer Sale, how dare they charge full price now. They should always be 75% off from that point forth.

You can argue anything, but it helps if you argue something that makes sense. No way anyone would expect GoG to match down to a Russian price that's over half less than most of the games sold for before regional pricing.
Except those discounts are based upon a certain criteria that anyone can achieve. Everyone who lives long enough will be a senior citizen and a LARGE portion of population will be a student at some point. You're in the US. If I opened a store and said "Canadians pay 40%, US citizens pay 100% and Mexicans pay 150%" what would happen? People would decry me as a racist and I would likely go out of business. When polled even the US Citizens would be grossly offended and only Canadians would be in favor of my store because they have the best deal, eh. Apples and oranges my friend. But hey, I've got a fruit stand just a page back. ;)
As far as sales go, those are time sensitive special occasions. And they are ACROSS the board, not offered based on which piece of land I happen lo live on.
Post edited September 06, 2014 by paladin181
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paladin181: If you can't afford it, it's perfectly fair that you don't get it.
So why is it a problem that you can't afford a regional priced item but it's not a problem that you can't afford a non-regional priced one?
You claim that it's fair to require different work hours at minimum wage on different countries, I claim that it would be better to require the same amount of work hours at minimum wage on different countries. You claim that different hours is more fair, and say that if someone works for less than minimum wage, he shouldn't have access to entertainment/luxury.

Flat prices are not fair. Most regional pricing is also not fair. Prices tailored to income may be fair, but it's also abusable. And some people claim that poor people shouldn't have access to luxury as well.
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JMich: So why is it a problem that you can't afford a regional priced item but it's not a problem that you can't afford a non-regional priced one?
You claim that it's fair to require different work hours at minimum wage on different countries, I claim that it would be better to require the same amount of work hours at minimum wage on different countries. You claim that different hours is more fair, and say that if someone works for less than minimum wage, he shouldn't have access to entertainment/luxury.

Flat prices are not fair. Most regional pricing is also not fair. Prices tailored to income may be fair, but it's also abusable. And some people claim that poor people shouldn't have access to luxury as well.
The problem is that the value of the regionally priced item is an arbitrary number, made up be the publisher or their rep to be what they want it to be. Flat prices are fair in the sense that an item has a value to who is selling it. That value is the same no matter where anyone is from because it is based on the value of the product (cost to make vs potential to ROI and earn a profit). Unfortunately, game producers don't assign a value on their product this way (because if we meet an industry standard for price whether or not it represents our expenditure model, we'll make money hand over fist). So in the end, the "unfairness" is caused not by flat or regional pricing practices, but by the value assessment process of the producers of games.

I'm not saying regional pricing is good, but I'd honestly rather a flat price across the board because it expresses that the product has value and that the company is actually trying to meet goals via their sales instead of "let's just see how much THESE losers will pay!!!11!"

EDIT TO ADD: It's been nice having a discussion with someone who doesn't assume I'm stupid because I don't agree with his/her viewpoint. Upvotes all around for you.
Post edited September 06, 2014 by paladin181