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Unvote Rodzaju
While I don't think his discussions with Damnation and Nmillar have been helpful to town belive he is town.

@Damnation what are your thoughs about everyone?

@Nmillar are you going to remove your vote now i'm posting more often or am I your number 1 suspect?
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pazzer: @Nmillar are you going to remove your vote now i'm posting more often or am I your number 1 suspect?
Keeping it where it is at the moment, while I consider the points people have raised. You're in no danger anyway.
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pazzer: @Damnation what are your thoughs about everyone?
I can see why it would be interesting to know, but I'm probably going to keep it to myself for the time being, even though I did plan to make such a list earlier today. The main reason why I'm putting it off is because I want to see where the wagon baz is trying to build on me is going.
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pazzer: @Damnation what are your thoughs about everyone?
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Damnation: I can see why it would be interesting to know, but I'm probably going to keep it to myself for the time being, even though I did plan to make such a list earlier today. The main reason why I'm putting it off is because I want to see where the wagon baz is trying to build on me is going.
Honestly, I don't know what to make of your lack of willingness to put out information. Is it that you truly think such play gives too much to the mafia, or is it that you don't want to be caught in a network of lies?

That being said, I don't think there is enough information to actually formulate solid opinions on anyone yet as any information at this point is unreliable at best.
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Orryyrro: Honestly, I don't know what to make of your lack of willingness to put out information. Is it that you truly think such play gives too much to the mafia, or is it that you don't want to be caught in a network of lies?
Neither, as I said, I'd rather see where the wagon driving against me is going - I have no need to post my reads about others as the focus might easily turn to me, at which point my reads will only be used against me by people bent on seeing my demise.
In the end, the question I circle in my mind comes to what use it truly is for other people to know specifically MY reads at the moment - it's my reads, and a person's reads are personal and therefore extremely biased, which essentially makes it useless at this early stage in the game.

Oh, and what network of lies would I be caught in, exactly?
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Damnation: In the end, the question I circle in my mind comes to what use it truly is for other people to know specifically MY reads at the moment - it's my reads, and a person's reads are personal and therefore extremely biased, which essentially makes it useless at this early stage in the game.
I'm not sure I agree with this; sharing your reads would allow others to look at those people's posts and decide whether they agree with your opinion. If several people identify someone as scummy for similar reasons then that person can then be targeted for questioning (that's your cue, Rodzaju).


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Damnation: In the end, the question I circle in my mind comes to what use it truly is for other people to know specifically MY reads at the moment - it's my reads, and a person's reads are personal and therefore extremely biased, which essentially makes it useless at this early stage in the game.
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nmillar: I'm not sure I agree with this; sharing your reads would allow others to look at those people's posts and decide whether they agree with your opinion. If several people identify someone as scummy for similar reasons then that person can then be targeted for questioning (that's your cue, Rodzaju).
Timing, dear sir, is everything.

I think I'll bide mine for now.....
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Damnation: Oh, and what network of lies would I be caught in, exactly?
Well, if you aren't mafia then none, if you are mafia your reads would obviously be biased as you know who is scum. Therefor your reads would be lies as you'd make things up to attempt to work in the mafia's favour.

Though it's your general lack of willingness to share things as opposed to this specific instance, as in this case I do agree, as can be seen in the second paragraph in my above post.
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Orryyrro: Though it's your general lack of willingness to share things as opposed to this specific instance, as in this case I do agree, as can be seen in the second paragraph in my above post.
I'm just asking questions here to flesh out the ground I'm standing on really, but "general lack of willingness to share things" - things such as what? I think I've only come across as willing to share my reads just now?

But if people are so hungry for my reads, then I suppose I might as well share them. Though I'm not the only one who haven't.
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Orryyrro: Though it's your general lack of willingness to share things as opposed to this specific instance, as in this case I do agree, as can be seen in the second paragraph in my above post.
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Damnation: I'm just asking questions here to flesh out the ground I'm standing on really, but "general lack of willingness to share things" - things such as what? I think I've only come across as willing to share my reads just now?

But if people are so hungry for my reads, then I suppose I might as well share them. Though I'm not the only one who haven't.
More about your talking about how claims are harmful to the town, even if a person is under heavy suspicion, when such a claim could be the only thing preventing a mys-lynch. In fact a good portion of the early discussion was built on that point.
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Orryyrro: More about your talking about how claims are harmful to the town, even if a person is under heavy suspicion, when such a claim could be the only thing preventing a mys-lynch. In fact a good portion of the early discussion was built on that point.
I'm fairly sure my reasoning on that is argued well enough, but I did not mean to give the impression on that that I am completely against claiming - I meant (As I did say) that forcing someone to role claim just to get information is ludicrous
Thanks Nmillar :)

As for Bazilisek's reasoning against Damnation I don't get it.
I have to say, I'm with Damnation on this one. Forcing claims at this stage is extremely foolish.

I'm not going to post any reads yet, not for the same reason as Damnation, but because I don't really have any yet. D=
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SirPrimalform: I have to say, I'm with Damnation on this one. Forcing claims at this stage is extremely foolish.
I wasn't arguing that, he came off as against the concept of claiming in general.
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SirPrimalform: I have to say, I'm with Damnation on this one. Forcing claims at this stage is extremely foolish.
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Orryyrro: I wasn't arguing that, he came off as against the concept of claiming in general.
Don't worry, I wasn't siding against you, just agreeing with his last post.