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Posted July 08, 2014
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shmerl: OK, so you realize it's not GOG's fault that regional pricing exists on this title. It's the fault of the publishers who produce physical copies of the game. If Larian went with pure digital release, they could avoid it.
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jimbob0i0: Where did I say that regional pricing was the fault of GOG?

What is hurting them in this case is not negotiating the same market costs as their direct competitor in Steam.

If the cost was the same as Steam (or even within a fiver) then there would be no question of purchasing here due to the ethical considerations I previously mentioned... it wouldn't be the first time I've done that (eg Brutal Legend here over Steam) however with a difference of potentially up to 25% more here than Steam (up to twenty quid is possible/likely when you take two copies with DLC for both with what we know right now) then it starts becoming a rather silly decision to buy here with the DRM/extras bonuses negated.
dude most people will go for the standard edition.I don't know if Gog will offer the CE version ( two copies is a ploy by larian to get people to play coop). regional pricing here ( if steam prices is to be believed) is same as USD price.
BTW i'd suspect people prefer to have one in all installer ( zipping up a 6 GB folder is time consuming fwiw and not exactly convenient).
people who are price sensitive will buy it where its cheapest. there are many who prefer getting it on Gog anyway right? that's why many of us wait :)
Posted July 08, 2014
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JudasIscariot: Yes, there will be regional pricing as I stated here:

http://www.gog.com/forum/general/divinity_original_sin_on_gogcom_bstatus_updateb/post5
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jimbob0i0: No offense Judas but this is pretty damn ridiculous as decisions go ...

In terms of of pure business cost benefit analysis between yourselves and your competitors this puts GOG at a substantial disadvantage to Steam.

1) With regional pricing I, in the UK, don't get a pricing gain over Steam.
2) This is further exacerbated with the 'Collectors Edition' on Steam which gives two copies.
3) The Source Hunter DLC you have said will require a separate additional purchase when it's included in the Steam collector's edition.
4) The Steam release contains no built in DRM - if you zip up the directory you can back up the game and restore it and play it without Steam by all reports losing much of the GOG no DRM benefits.
5) The collectors edition mentioned includes artwork and soundtrack negating that usual gain from GOG.

With all of the above I find it hard to justify a GOG purchase tomorrow (or two) over a single Steam Collector's Edition purchase and a single additional DLC purchase to go with the second copy in the collector's edition.

I generally take a ethical viewpoint of buying on GOG over steam (and indeed I have repurchased some titles I had on Steam on GOG such as Costume Quest) but this release has been really mishandled and speaking pragmatically Steam makes so much more sense at this time...
HELP GOG add D:OS Digital Collectors Edition: :)

http://www.gog.com/wishlist/site/divinity_original_sin_bundle
Posted July 08, 2014
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Niggles: dude most people will go for the standard edition.I don't know if Gog will offer the CE version ( two copies is a ploy by larian to get people to play coop). regional pricing here ( if steam prices is to be believed) is same as USD price.
BTW i'd suspect people prefer to have one in all installer ( zipping up a 6 GB folder is time consuming fwiw and not exactly convenient).
people who are price sensitive will buy it where its cheapest. there are many who prefer getting it on Gog anyway right? that's why many of us wait :)
Way to skip over the entire point of this post ...

The co-op in this game has been lauded and I look forward to playing it with my wife ...

Even ignoring the fact the second copy will go to her as an independent buyer why on earth would you purchase on GOG when the equivalent is cheaper on Steam with the same lack of DRM (okay an installer ... that one can create effectively via creating a zip file) and in fact if you take that second copy and trade it you may even end up gaining further?

The regional pricing *is not the same as the USD price* but rather some coupons are given at the rate that GOG decides to match so your out of pocket expense now will be higher (by the aforementioned 20-30 quid potentially) and store credit may gain some of this but do you really think GOG will provide $40-60 worth of store credit vouchers?
Posted July 08, 2014
What is included in the Source Hunter DLC Pack?
Posted July 08, 2014
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auroraparadox: What is included in the Source Hunter DLC Pack?
Taken from the Steam description:

Buy Divinity Original Sin - Source Hunter DLC pack

Unlocks Divinity Original Sin: The Golden Grail DLC, Divinity Original Sin: Zandalor's Trunks DLC, Divinity: Original Sin Design Documents and Art Pack, and Soundtrack.
Posted July 08, 2014
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DyNaer: yeah, you're right that's pretty outrageous price for the collector edition + a second copy of the dlc. But the dlc isn't essential at all game-wise
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jimbob0i0: Well with the DLC adding content and extras why would one not take the bundle that includes it for the same cost (or looking at the likely outcomes right now) cheaper than the equivalent?

I think you might have missed the point of my post ...

The cost on steam of CE + DLC being £58.98 is actually really good value for a game of this calibre at only £29.99 per copy ...

From most publishers you'd expect that at £40-60 per copy depending on the game - often with DLC on top!

The equivalent so far as we can see for GOG will be around £34.99*2 + £6.99*2 (if DLC is the same cost as on Steam) for a total of £83.96 ... This as you can see is a full £30 (around $60 at current rates) more than Steam.

If they match Steam per regular copy at £29.99 per copy (although I took the £34.99 from a previous blue post in this thread) then that is a total of £73.98 including DLC or £59.98 without ...

So we get to the Steam price if we drop the DLC from both copies which is compromising for one's ideals pretty heavily at that point ... and given the Steam release is completely DRM free one has to question what one's ideals are in that case and that in essence that means you get the DLC 'for free' with Steam compared to GOG ...

Is the levels of business craziness becoming clear yet?
i don't think i missed anything :: it's odd GOG doesn't offer a package with the base game + dlc (with a discount) , but if it's already stated.....

And it's more odd, if you take in account the game have some co-op features & more coming with Galaxy

So i don't really know what's the REAL deal between Larian & GOG, except initialy GOG delayed the release of the game to match with their client release ....not a good idea, business wise i think : Plenty people want to play alone & that's a pretty bad excuse because the game already have some co-op features which could be used.

Actually everything is pure speculations, we don't know the GOG's price & if there will be a bundle or not (i'm not pretty confident , i just looked what Larian & GOG did in the past => see Dragon Commander)
Post edited July 08, 2014 by DyNaer
Posted July 08, 2014
Looks like the dlc has no extra quests etc, just 2 items with minimal practical utility. Probably the soundtrack is the draw, i ll be waiting for a price drop on this one.
Posted July 08, 2014
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DyNaer: i don't think i missed anything :: it's odd GOG doesn't offer a package with the base game + dlc (with a discount) , but if it's already stated.....

And it's more odd, if you take in account the game have some co-op features & more coming with Galaxy

So i don't really know what's the REAL deal between Larian & GOG, except initialy GOG delayed the release of the game to match with their client release ....not a good idea, business wise i think : Plenty people want to play alone & that's a pretty bad excuse because the game already have some co-op features which could be used.

Actually everything is pure speculations, we don't know the GOG's price & if there will be a bundle or not (i'm not pretty confident , i just looked what Larian & GOG did in the past => see Dragon Commander)
There's a fair amount we do know ... the base price will be $39.99

http://www.gog.com/forum/general/divinity_original_sin_on_gogcom_bstatus_updateb/post710

So worst case will be a straight $1 = £1 like many publishers do ... best case is matching the Steam cost at £29.99

We also know there will be no bundle unless this changes at the last second tomorrow so it won't be like Dragon Commander (which I do own here and did enjoy a lot):

http://www.gog.com/forum/general/divinity_original_sin_on_gogcom_bstatus_updateb/post689

So they have really messed up this release from both perspectives - for the single player it was delayed for no apparent good reason for just over a week and for the co-op player they will be charging significantly more than their direct competitor.
Posted July 08, 2014
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DyNaer: i don't think i missed anything :: it's odd GOG doesn't offer a package with the base game + dlc (with a discount) , but if it's already stated.....

And it's more odd, if you take in account the game have some co-op features & more coming with Galaxy

So i don't really know what's the REAL deal between Larian & GOG, except initialy GOG delayed the release of the game to match with their client release ....not a good idea, business wise i think : Plenty people want to play alone & that's a pretty bad excuse because the game already have some co-op features which could be used.

Actually everything is pure speculations, we don't know the GOG's price & if there will be a bundle or not (i'm not pretty confident , i just looked what Larian & GOG did in the past => see Dragon Commander)
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jimbob0i0: There's a fair amount we do know ... the base price will be $39.99

http://www.gog.com/forum/general/divinity_original_sin_on_gogcom_bstatus_updateb/post710

So worst case will be a straight $1 = £1 like many publishers do ... best case is matching the Steam cost at £29.99

We also know there will be no bundle unless this changes at the last second tomorrow so it won't be like Dragon Commander (which I do own here and did enjoy a lot):

http://www.gog.com/forum/general/divinity_original_sin_on_gogcom_bstatus_updateb/post689

So they have really messed up this release from both perspectives - for the single player it was delayed for no apparent good reason for just over a week and for the co-op player they will be charging significantly more than their direct competitor.
ummm price wise if i do my math right :

Steam :
39.99 euros for the base game
69.99 euros for the CE
9.99 euros for Hunter DLC

GOG : (if you're right, and you are linked a post from Judas; and i believe him :) )

29.99 euros for the base game
5.99 euros or a bit more for the dlc

if you need two copies it's still cheaper on GOG (except you won't get the 2 others games) or i missed something,

except with the Steam summer deals, i don't understand how you come to the conclusion it's actually better on Steam (price-wise)

Did i miss anything ?

edit : sure if in some countries it's 39.99 euros, so that's not fair , i agree and that will be the case (there no reason for the contrary -_-)
Post edited July 08, 2014 by DyNaer
Posted July 08, 2014
Celebrating that GOG can finally get in touch with that bestseller tomorrow. They´ve already been hurt hard by this delay, I hope it was worth it...
...anywys, I´m glad to be able to buy the GOG-Version tomorrow!
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jimbob0i0: *everything*
As far as I know we´ll get those coupons for regional pricings---so I don´t see the problem. As long as we get those coupons reginol pricement is completly uninteresting for me---sure, you´ll have to put more money on the table---but GOG ALWAYS has good games you´ve been thinking of for years; so I don´t think of it beeing a major problem!
Posted July 08, 2014
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RadonGOG: As far as I know we´ll get those coupons for regional pricings---so I don´t see the problem. As long as we get those coupons reginol pricement is completly uninteresting for me---sure, you´ll have to put more money on the table---but GOG ALWAYS has good games you´ve been thinking of for years; so I don´t think of it beeing a major problem!
Matching regional pricing with coupons worked well with Age of Wonders III (which I pre-ordered here) and GOG said they'll do so with D:OS as well. I don't see a problem there. D:OS will be at maximum $ 39.99 for everybody here on GOG (some pay less due to their location). You might have to pay more but get the difference to $ 39.99 in coupons. And depending on where you live $ 39.99 can be a good price.
Post edited July 08, 2014 by Piranjade
Posted July 08, 2014
Okay I'm heading to bed now (it's late UK time) but to those above please review my previous posts where I went into some detail on the prices (and this is UK so £ not € involved here in my calculations and steam prices) to see how I came to it being cheaper for two copies on steam given what we know right now and assuming GOG has the same prices as steam...

If the regional pricing ends up more than steam it's a worse deal.

As for the coupons it depends on whether they contribute towards the cost of a game or if they have to be exactly a $5.99 game as to how useful they will be (I currently have two of these from the Witcher 3 preorder anyway) and to make it balance with steam there would have to be at least $20 and possibly up to $30 per game/dlc total to match steam... That seems excessive in coupons and would likely remove most of their profit margin then ...

Well let's see how it goes tomorrow but as of now it looks to be a rather poor outlook for sales on GOG.
Post edited July 08, 2014 by jimbob0i0
Posted July 08, 2014
So today is the Day. Still hoping for a "Deal".

It was 20% off at Steam even before a release here... We will see.
Posted July 08, 2014
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jimbob0i0: Well let's see how it goes tomorrow but as of now it looks to be a rather poor outlook for sales on GOG.
In certain countries where regional pricing makes it more expensive maybe and for people looking to buy the two copy bundle. I imagine even tho GOG will have taken a hit by making a poor decision initially, the sales for this in *general* should be pretty good. Not everyone is going to buy it off steam.
Post edited July 08, 2014 by Niggles
Posted July 08, 2014
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Rincewind81: So today is the Day. Still hoping for a "Deal".

It was 20% off at Steam even before a release here... We will see.
Same here. Here's hoping!
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