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It is a good game, but the reviewer has a point, the game should not have got a release when it did, they had a major patch within a day or so that killed most bugs, but they should have held off for that short period, even now, I wont play the game until I see more stability, it is very playable at the moment and at the price I got it, it was well worth the purchase, I have no regrets.

As regards the apology, well that's kinda stupid, but then some people sue game publishers for buggy games (*shrugs*), the publisher/devs response was totally bonkers and off the wall though, I think they Dyacked themselves severely and I'm sure this will reflect on any future sales.
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timppu: Nobody likes it when someone calls his/her baby ugly. That's where the emotions kick in.

Games you have developed can be like babies to you. Except that they can give you extra income, unlike real babies who just spend money to diapers and other useless stuff! So they can become even more important than real babies.
Priorities man, priorities.

Ontopic - I get why the developers might be feeling a little defensive, but they still need to act more responsibly. After all they are the ones taking peoples money.
Now my dilemma is - I want the game (it looks really interesting, even if buggy), I want to buy it here. Do I continue to wait until I have cleared a few more games and risk it, or buy now to avoid GOG's complete removal like with Dark something?
I found it, I found it:

dickbag

derogatory term, usually intended for a male idiot.
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011284mm: Now my dilemma is - I want the game (it looks really interesting, even if buggy), I want to buy it here. Do I continue to wait until I have cleared a few more games and risk it, or buy now to avoid GOG's complete removal like with Dark something?
If they continue to sell Omerta (unplayable), I don't see any reason that they would remove this game considering it has been patched and is playable as noted by F1ach. I'd vote to risk it.

Edit: I don't have Dead State so I can't speak for it's current state.
Post edited December 24, 2014 by zaine-h
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MaGo72: I found it, I found it:

dickbag

derogatory term, usually intended for a male idiot.
So it is a mild indicktement.
Annie Mitsoda's Reddit comment has been restored by the mods (it was apparently removed because it was made from a new account and got caught in the spam filters): https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/2q89cv/dead_state_developer_trying_to_get_critical/cn41yxm
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MaGo72: No in my opinion a review of game, when the decisions of the game producing company influence the quality of the game at the release date, meaning if it got pulled out of early acces to get more sales before christmas it is an information which explains the state the game is probably in and is important for the consumer as a decision for buying the game at this point or not.
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BKGaming: Other than what one person says, where is the proof that that really happened? As a student who is a programmer I understand how easy it is to miss bugs. A lot of my programs have bugs, that I didn't find until later after their written. If he was reviewing just the bugs he is experiencing, sure that's something correct to put in a review. But the reviewer is basically saying what he believes to be true because he isn't happy with the product he got. It doesn't actually review the merits of the game.
I don't think he thought of elaborating more on the bugs because if you click on the helpful review now, you can see a series of negative review with not a single positive review.

The report on the developers moral values is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT because it will meant if the devs will actually polish the game to an acceptable state before moving on to another project.

There are too many early access games that are buggy, un-fun, broken and was abandon by the developers once they get your money and they move on another project to scam your money again.
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Gnostic: I don't think he thought of elaborating more on the bugs because if you click on the helpful review now, you can see a series of negative review with not a single positive review.

The report on the developers moral values is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT because it will meant if the devs will actually polish the game to an acceptable state before moving on to another project.

There are too many early access games that are buggy, un-fun, broken and was abandon by the developers once they get your money and they move on another project to scam your money again.
By all accounts though they are polishing the game still, and pretty quickly. So sure be unhappy that released a buggy game at release, but give the credit were it's do...

Again both sides are in the wrong. Reviews are for reviewing the game, not because your unhappy you were banned from a forum and believe you know what a company did with nothing to back it up.
Post edited December 25, 2014 by BKGaming
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Gnostic: I don't think he thought of elaborating more on the bugs because if you click on the helpful review now, you can see a series of negative review with not a single positive review.

The report on the developers moral values is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT because it will meant if the devs will actually polish the game to an acceptable state before moving on to another project.

There are too many early access games that are buggy, un-fun, broken and was abandon by the developers once they get your money and they move on another project to scam your money again.
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BKGaming: By all accounts though they are polishing the game still, and pretty quickly. So sure be unhappy that released a buggy game at release, but give the credit were it's do...

Again both sides are in the wrong. Reviews are for reviewing the game, not because your unhappy you were banned from a forum and believe you know what a company did with nothing to back it up.
That the developers release the game as finished even though they know their game is so buggy that they have to release 4 patch in 2 weeks does not paint their integrity in a good way.

http://steamcommunity.com/app/239840/discussions/0/627456359689053892

It is not demanding an apology because the game has bugs, it is demanding an apology for releasing the game in a buggy state as finished.
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BKGaming: By all accounts though they are polishing the game still, and pretty quickly. So sure be unhappy that released a buggy game at release, but give the credit were it's do...

Again both sides are in the wrong. Reviews are for reviewing the game, not because your unhappy you were banned from a forum and believe you know what a company did with nothing to back it up.
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Gnostic: That the developers release the game as finished even though they know their game is so buggy that they have to release 4 patch in 2 weeks does not paint their integrity in a good way.

http://steamcommunity.com/app/239840/discussions/0/627456359689053892

It is not demanding an apology because the game has bugs, it is demanding an apology for releasing the game in a buggy state as finished.
I'm sorry but that just shows lack of knowledge of how software development works. Was there bugs they probably knew about close to release, probably... we won't know for sure, but it's likely. It's also most likely if they did they were simple bugs that could be fixed quickly. When you go from a small sample size (ie early access) to a full release bugs are found very quickly because of the sheer amount of people playing. It's impossible to find every bug before release, or have a software with zero bugs. It will never happen as long as humans are programming them.

Anything major found was fixed quickly, game has bugs but nothing critical for sure. No apology is needed, it's simply the result of software development and human error. If they had released the game and didn't patch it or as you say moved on, then sure then an apology is warranted.

The belief that they released early for Christmas, is simply that a belief, and even if true... that's business, they're not the first nor will they be the last to do so.
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Gnostic: That the developers release the game as finished even though they know their game is so buggy that they have to release 4 patch in 2 weeks does not paint their integrity in a good way.

http://steamcommunity.com/app/239840/discussions/0/627456359689053892

It is not demanding an apology because the game has bugs, it is demanding an apology for releasing the game in a buggy state as finished.
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BKGaming: I'm sorry but that just shows lack of knowledge of how software development works. Was there bugs they probably knew about close to release, probably... we won't know for sure, but it's likely. It's also most likely if they did they were simple bugs that could be fixed quickly. When you go from a small sample size (ie early access) to a full release bugs are found very quickly because of the sheer amount of people playing. It's impossible to find every bug before release, or have a software with zero bugs. It will never happen as long as humans are programming them.

Anything major found was fixed quickly, game has bugs but nothing critical for sure. No apology is needed, it's simply the result of software development and human error. If they had released the game and didn't patch it or as you say moved on, then sure then an apology is warranted.

The belief that they released early for Christmas, is simply that a belief, and even if true... that's business, they're not the first nor will they be the last to do so.
I am programing myself, but that does not matter at all. The user who wrote the review stated that there were already people stating their concerns in the devs forum and got muted. So they were aware that they release the game in a bad state although they got the kickstarter funds to develop the game fully. The move was a business decision to get money and stating this in a review IS relevant for the consumer to buy or not to buy the game at this point. It may be the loved baby of the devs, but the move to release it in that state with the numerous "known" bugs was a business decision to grab money - that is it.
Well, the developers claim that the bugs the user posted about in the forum either had been fixed already or appeared to be specific to his machine. At this point, it's seems to be one person's word against another.

The claim that the developers knowingly released a broken game for a quick cash grab is a pretty serious accusation, though. One that should need at least some evidence and that in this case seems to be contradicted by the fact that the developers did not drop support of the game after release and are still fixing bugs.
Post edited December 25, 2014 by Mrstarker
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MaGo72: The user who wrote the review stated that there were already people stating their concerns in the devs forum and got muted.
That's the entire issue right there though, your taking that as true when the person who wrote it has a clear bias since he was banned from their forums... I'm not saying its true or not. I don't know. But the user makes bold claims, and presents no support. I also believe there are better ways to present his views (like reddit, game forums, ect), but instead user became a drama queen set on a mission to turn the community against the developers. And at that he appears to be succeeding. His review really didn't review the game, which is the point of reviews.
Post edited December 25, 2014 by BKGaming
Oh for crying out loud. Haven't people by now learned from what happened to Phil Fish?
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Mrstarker: Well, the developers claim that the bugs the user posted about in the forum either had been fixed already or appeared to be specific to his machine. At this point, it's seems to be one person's word against another.

The claim that the developers knowingly released a broken game for a quick cash grab is a pretty serious accusation, though. One that should need at least some evidence and that seems to be contradicted by the fact that the developers did not drop support of the game after release and are still fixing bugs.
Then a decent answer from the company would have been, the main problems are solved the game is ok, there are no longer any game breaking bugs, just some minor ones. Instead of calling him a dickbag. The problem is with such reactions you elevate the discussion to a level where the stated point of discussion is no longer relevant.

PS Hmm, ok it was not the company who called him a dickbag.
Post edited December 25, 2014 by MaGo72