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Posted July 22, 2015
DRM or not, pirates will pirate and most pirated games already come with a crack prepackaged. The Witcher games and CDPR may have had an influence regarding pirating their games or not but it's ultimately up to the person. You either respect the authors for their work or you don't.

As of a few years ago, I used to download songs off youtube but ultimately I stopped that too and now I'm proud of my collection of CD albums. Even better I appreciate them more and I just can't seem to stop buying :-)

A few of my friends still pirate games, I tried encouraging them to buy them at least on a discount if nothing still, a no go with them.
Posted July 22, 2015
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Coelocanth: The thing about DRM is that it doesn't stop piracy. As the saying goes, 'Pirates gonna pirate'. So while the lack of DRM likely won't make a difference in the piracy rates, at least it gives the actual paying customer a hassle-free experience. which is the whole point of DRM-free.
This!
Posted July 22, 2015
hmmm....Why are getting games pirated:

1.) Publishers telling a shitload of lies about their game and ripping of customers.
2.) Publishers promising contents which isn't in the final version and MIGHT be applied with a patch, but only might
3.) Publishers promising minimum Hardware specs on which afterwards you can only see a slideshow.
4.) Games being sold in a state, which you can just call alpha or beta test for a full price game.
5.) Games being sold and not meeting what was shown before (similar to 2, but more thinking of E3 presentation and similar)
6.) Bundling it with some form of copy-protection, which will make your computer stop working.
7.) Treating the PAYING customer as a piece of shit, by implying he is a pirate by definition!
8.) Where are all the demos gone you were able to get before? Like just being able to play the first level ? So what other option do you really have for trying a game and not run into the problem above?

Just top of my head ;)

No I don't pirate, I just wait till they are on sale for max 10 bucks ;) plus than finally all patches are out ;)
Posted July 22, 2015
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Coelocanth: The thing about DRM is that it doesn't stop piracy. As the saying goes, 'Pirates gonna pirate'. So while the lack of DRM likely won't make a difference in the piracy rates, at least it gives the actual paying customer a hassle-free experience. which is the whole point of DRM-free.
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Ritualisto: This!
While this is most certainly true, people probably need to start getting it out of their head that DRM is all about piracy, it's not.
Posted July 22, 2015
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Ritualisto: This!
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Pheace: While this is most certainly true, people probably need to start getting it out of their head that DRM is all about piracy, it's not.
Could you explain this to me please? I'm really interested in your thought about DRM. Perhaps you got a point I never thought before. Thanks in advance!
Posted July 22, 2015
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Ritualisto: This!
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Pheace: While this is most certainly true, people probably need to start getting it out of their head that DRM is all about piracy, it's not.
True, but we're still constantly fed the piracy excuse by publishers whenever they decide to use DRM. So until they admit it'd sbout more than that, then I, at least, am just concentrating on their 'it's all about piracy' stance.
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Ritualisto: Could you explain this to me please? I'm really interested in your thought about DRM. Perhaps you got a point I never thought before. Thanks in advance!
It's ostensibly about piracy. But even a blind and mentally handicapped monkey can see DRM fails to prevent that. The reality is it's also (actually probably mostly) about controlling the way the consumer uses the product and preventing resale in order to eliminate the second hand market.
Post edited July 22, 2015 by Coelocanth
Posted July 22, 2015
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Pheace: While this is most certainly true, people probably need to start getting it out of their head that DRM is all about piracy, it's not.
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Coelocanth: True, but we're still constantly fed the piracy excuse by publishers whenever they decide to use DRM. So until they admit it'd sbout more than that, then I, at least, am just concentrating on their 'it's all about piracy' stance.
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Ritualisto: Could you explain this to me please? I'm really interested in your thought about DRM. Perhaps you got a point I never thought before. Thanks in advance!
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Coelocanth: It's ostensibly about piracy. But even a blind and mentally handicapped monkey can see DRM fails to prevent that. The reality is it's also (actually probably mostly) about controlling the way the consumer uses the product and preventing resale in order to eliminate the second hand market.
Thanks for your answer!
Posted July 22, 2015
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Ganni1987: DRM or not, pirates will pirate and most pirated games already come with a crack prepackaged. The Witcher games and CDPR may have had an influence regarding pirating their games or not but it's ultimately up to the person. You either respect the authors for their work or you don't.

As of a few years ago, I used to download songs off youtube but ultimately I stopped that too and now I'm proud of my collection of CD albums. Even better I appreciate them more and I just can't seem to stop buying :-)

A few of my friends still pirate games, I tried encouraging them to buy them at least on a discount if nothing still, a no go with them.
Yes and no not all pirates pirate because they're bad pirates. I bought from bestbuy ages ago DUNE directors cut dvd and stored it with the rest of my dvd collection. 7 months later I decided to watch it. It was dual sided dvd one original motion picture version and the other disk side had the directors cut version.. Both sides of the film where corrupted. Couldn't finish watching the movie. I couldn't bring it back because I had it on my shelf too long before I knew my issue with the dvd. I called Universal to try to get a replacement they wanted me to buy a new collection complete set. I was like no. They're like no because you didn't by directly from us. So I went onto torrent and downloaded it and burned it to a disk and I got my replacement. I have original and now my replacement. Does this make me a pirate? No. But when the system screws you you should have the right to RMA your product.

I always believe in helping support artist and creators of works.. But When Publisher screw me I'll find my own way of fixing it.

For Piracy in general.. There are too many factors that have to many reasons of variations of what is a Pirate today.

Each group has there own version for good bad and the ugly.
Post edited July 24, 2015 by Wolfehunter
Posted July 22, 2015
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Wolfehunter: What amazes me is why people need to think they need a game client to play a single player game? \
its not that i need a client to play a single player game. so far i have used the client mostly to stay more organized. there is a game a bought in 2013 that i haven't played since 2 months after that. its been on my PC however and i only found it yesterday as i went through several folders clearing up memory.
this would no longer need to happen for me with a client.
another reason is i trust GOG will probably do something awesome with this client. not sure what that is but im happy for now
oh, I'm one of those people who likes stats. so i will know how long I've been a witcher. they say 10000hrs to become an expert. challenge accepted
Posted July 22, 2015
http://kotaku.com/lets-talk-about-piracy-1710555541
http://kotaku.com/why-people-pirate-video-games-1716103981

Anyone ever read these articles on piracy? I found them to be quite an interesting read.
Posted July 22, 2015
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Goodaltgamer: No I don't pirate, I just wait till they are on sale for max 10 bucks ;) plus than finally all patches are out ;)
wish i had your patience. i have impulse buys that i regret. everytime i promise myself "we can wait, our pc isnt even powerful enough to run this" but everytime i break that promise.
Posted July 22, 2015
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zer00o: wish i had your patience. i have impulse buys that i regret. everytime i promise myself "we can wait, our pc isnt even powerful enough to run this" but everytime i break that promise.
Don't get me wrong, BUT by choosing which game you buy, you can already make a BIG difference ;)

If you buy games (even if right from the beginning ;) Which are mod-friendly, you CAN extend the the lifetime like double-fold ;)

So the next game is a bit being pushed down the road ;)

PLUS: a lot of the mods are making the games even better, doesn't matter if strategy, shooter or whatsoever ;)

Sometimes it is worthwhile too look over the wall ;)

BUT I admit I know how you feel ;) I AM a fan of strategy, but I do own (again) Empire at wars (and forces of Corruption) and there are a shitloads of MODs available...and every single one being different...so with one game I got like 10....quite a bit of time to waste....sometimes you just have to look around and you find wonderful gems ;) Nice starting point by the way: moddb ;) Yes even old games can bring glory again ;)
Posted July 22, 2015
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Coelocanth: The reality is it's also (actually probably mostly) about controlling the way the consumer uses the product and preventing resale in order to eliminate the second hand market.
lets not forget, gathering as much information as possible and sharing it with third parties. "Oh, you don't want your private information given to X and Y? "then i guess you also don't want this shiny new game which you can only get here" *grins in a show of ultimate pleasure* and why not, he has already won. again
Posted July 22, 2015
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zer00o: the Witcher games have always been front amongst the most pirated games.
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hucklebarry: Personal opinion or cited somewhere? The few sites I checked did not even have Witcher games in the currently top 10 pirated games, which is very odd considering they just had a major AAA release that is being extremely well received by the public.
can try to source it if you want. i think you have answered my question though. perhaps the fact that the wild hunt is missing from the top ten is proof that something has changed.
anyway, my statement was more related to the first two games during their launch periods. will be ready to source in the future.
Posted July 22, 2015
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Coelocanth: The thing about DRM is that it doesn't stop piracy. As the saying goes, 'Pirates gonna pirate'.
It depends. I think Diablo 3 is not that heavily pirated, as it has made it that difficult to pirate successfully.

It might be DRM-free releases might even increase piracy (because they are easier to pirate, no need to check for correct cracks from untrustworthy sites etc.), but I can vote only with my wallet and not pirate them, and hope enough other people do that too out of appreciation for DRM-free releases.

It is the same if there are two brick and mortar stores, one which always does a thorough manual body search to all customers when you exit the store, and one who doesn't. It might be more stuff is stolen from the store which is more lax, but still I like to take my business to them, instead of the stricter store which considers and treats all their customers as potential thieves, even up to expecting me to call their store whenever I want to use the product I've purchased from them (to identify that only I am using it). As it happens, that's also the reason I haven't bought (nor pirated) Diablo 3... I can certainly live without it.

The good news is that for many the service and support received from e.g. GOG.com is enough to prefer getting the game directly from the store, instead of some torrent site. Patches etc... Think of e.g. those hijacked GOG accounts with The Witcher 3: why are people buying those hijacked accounts, instead of just downloading TW3 from a torrent site for free? Because they want the official support, patches and DLCs from GOG, and not hunt for them from untrustworthy torrent sites that keep going down.

So there is still an incentive for people to get their DRM-free games from the service.
Post edited July 22, 2015 by timppu
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