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Windows 11 might not be avoidable, I'm not even sure if it should be.

Does ANYONE have field-testing for Win11 with GOG?

Inquiring minds want to know. ;)
Nope. But given it doesn't even appear to have incrementally notched up the Kernel number, I'd consider it a kitbashed version of 10 looking for an excuse to introduce a bunch of features that nobody asked for.

Fedora 35 is great, though. And the changelist is even clearly explained so people don't have to guess at it.
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rabblevox: Does ANYONE have field-testing for Win11 with GOG?
According to one GOG user, nothing works:
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/oooh_the_blue_dot_of_upgrading_has_arrived/post5
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Cadaver747: According to one GOG user, nothing works:
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/oooh_the_blue_dot_of_upgrading_has_arrived/post5
What's the odds that it won't make any exe work unless it's signed by a microsoft key?

Or that they removed the COM and other interfaces that XP and everything has been using for decades...
Post edited October 31, 2021 by rtcvb32
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rtcvb32: What's the odds that it won't make any exe work unless it's signed by a microsoft key?

Or that they removed the COM and other interfaces that XP and everything has been using for decades...
Probably none, I'd sooner suggest Layer 8 incompetence over corperate malice.
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Darvond: Probably none, I'd sooner suggest Layer 8 incompetence over corperate malice.
Well we'll have to see what other users say.

"Once is rumor,
Twice is a coincidence,
Three times, is a conspiracy" - Matt Bluestone
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I imagine it will be like the release of windows 10, you remember those months where every computer in the world went down due to windows 10 not working, the rioting, the wars that followed, all that happend until they rolled everyone back to windows 7. Oh no wait, you can’t remember as it never happened. Windows 10 rolled out, with very little issues, with a few tweaks was as compatible as any previous one, and with some utilities to turn off the telemetry and invasion of privacy (something which is almost mandatory across anything electronic nowadays) worked like a charm.
So yes, let’s get more threads on the horrors of a new windows release out there, let’s rile up the Linux elites to bring down the largest market share operating system…
Or alternatively keep one machine with virtual images or dual boots of each old operating systems and just run the main one with the latest without any issues, probably without even knowing. Hmm tricky decision.
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rabblevox: Does ANYONE have field-testing for Win11 with GOG?
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Cadaver747: According to one GOG user, nothing works:
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/oooh_the_blue_dot_of_upgrading_has_arrived/post5
I suspect in that case, the problem is between the keyboard and monitor.

The post... lacks credibility.
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When my new NVME arrived I decided to give Windows 11 Pro a try. After setting it up, getting rid of unnecessary services, additional MS bloatware etc., fighting the system to work around limited rights issues, setting up admin templates, deactivating spyware - vulgo privacy - settings, removing Edge, deactivating the native firewall and AV, it has taken some time getting used to using the OS.

It isn't inherently different to Windows 10, there is a new context-menu when right-clicking, which in my opinion is an improvement, some strange decisions like combining WiFi/LAN and Sound on the taskbar and you can't hide these symbols in the overflow menu ^, performance is great, no BSOD or other noticeable problems.

GOG games work like a charm. Some very old ones, like Jeff Vogel/Spiderweb's Avernum, they work without compatibility settings. Trying to play Avernum on Windows 10, the resolution settings did nothing and the game UI wasn't resized, ending up with a small box on a 27" screen. That was not the case on 11, where this works like a charm. New games like Horizon Zero Dawn work equally as well and with what I think has to do with the new memory settings implemented in Windows 11, where a game is allowed to manage this resource itself, it worked like a charm. No performance issue at all at mostly the highest settings for each option offered in game. Having tested a wide variety of games, when there had been small issues, they were related to NVIDIA settings or the game itself. Some screen tearing here or an input lag or fps-drop there, nothing out of the usual or different to what I had seen in my Windows 10 environment.

If your system meets the requirements, they aren't ridiculously high at all, there is little reason not to migirate. You can either use your Windows 7 Ultimate or 10 Pro key in order to unlock 11 Pro for free. My advice is not to upgrade but to install a vanilla version instead if you decide to give it a try. Remembering how it was with 7 Ultimate and the forced upgrade to 10, when it happened, several services didn't work as they should, maintenance tasks had been destroyed, many things weren't accessible. Lots of trouble for very little in return during the early months, which haven't really been solved doing a fresh install of 10.

So far I haven't had any regrets adopting 11 because the games work, software works, no BSOD's or other problems. After having got used to using it, it's become a pleasant experience. It isn't as good as Windows 2000 or 2003 server, but a great step in the right direction. If I had to say, it is what 10 could have or should have been, where the only real downside is limited rights issues, deep integration of Edge (where MS clearly didn't learn their lesson). Even with this I find it is a far better experience over its predecessor.

Who would I recommend making the switch to 11 to? A person who built a new system or upgraded their HDD and someone looking for a new experience or wishes to get a feel for that OS. In case you are satisfied and got a working 10 environment just stick with it because as the old saying goes, never touch a running system!

System-specs:
Straight Power 11 ATX 750W
ASUS Prime Z390-A Gaming
Intel Core i7-9700KF 12MB Cache @4.9 GHz
Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (2x16) DDR4 3200 MHz
MSI GeForce RTX 3060 Ti GAMING Z Trio 8G (no OC)
NVME - Samsung 980 PRO 1 TB PCIe 4.0 (Windows 11 Pro)
SSD - Samsung 860 EVO 2 TB (Software/Games)
SSD - Samsung 850 EVO 1TB (Slackware)
Post edited October 31, 2021 by Mori_Yuki
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in gaming general i had some cases where the keyboard did not function properly. Imagine you are done with your session and want to save a game. you press esc or use the mouse pointer to click on the menu, F10 maybe, go for the save option, of course some games offer to end to desktop and save at the same time, mind you some games even don't offer such a choice since they use the quality of life feature ""AUTOSAVE"", but .. for the whole purpose of this exercise imagine this function is not present, so you proceed to the save option and from there you think, maybe out loud, about how to name your save, the moment you decide and start typing all kinds of weird stuff seems to happen. the letter p for example opens a menu from where you can choose which screen you want to use, other letters remain silent to forever, a couple of times alt tabbing resolved this problem in a couple of cases, outside those general stuff gog remains the same as always

supreme commander 2 does not act normal on the mouse input creating lag, supposedly this can be fixed with the input direct mouse or something in the console but....... outside a couple of keys such as tab and spacebar all other command keys are not available so the the console is out of reach .. at least from the game screen it is
disciples 2 knows a similar problem where the mouse creates huge amounts of lag
septerra core also still requires extraterrestial knowledge to make it work ... for about 50%
GoG still sells Dungeon siege III as a quality game
and cyberpunk 2077 will receive no more patches untill later next year
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just use win10 it is the best os
I'm not touching it. Windows 10 is awful enough. Windows 11, from what I've heard, breaks even more applications, requires heftier hardware AND has the most atrocious UI since 1 and 2.

Everyone at M$ thought it was a good idea needs to be fired ASAP.
I installed it on my spare PC using the win10 installer to bypass the CPU, TPM and Secure boot requirements.

So far it works okay. I disabled the new start menu and replaced it with Openshell, to my surprise the system actually started running smother after that. I also used a few registry modifications to get the taskbar to always show all open folders. As well as the usual disabling Microsoft spying as much as possible.

Had a few crashes. Usually from trying to access windows settings, but overall the system is running fine.


GOG games I've tried:
Total Annihilation
Supreme Commander Forged Alliance
Armed and Dangerous
Day of the Tentacle Remastered
Jedi Academy

Everything worked fine so far. It really does seem to be windows 10 with a reskin.
If there's something specific that you'd like me to try I'll be happy to give it a go (if I have it).
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Mori_Yuki: When my new NVME arrived I decided to give Windows 11 Pro a try. After setting it up, getting rid of unnecessary services, additional MS bloatware etc., fighting the system to work around limited rights issues, setting up admin templates, deactivating spyware - vulgo privacy - settings, removing Edge, deactivating the native firewall and AV, it has taken some time getting used to using the OS.

It isn't inherently different to Windows 10, there is a new context-menu when right-clicking, which in my opinion is an improvement, some strange decisions like combining WiFi/LAN and Sound on the taskbar and you can't hide these symbols in the overflow menu ^, performance is great, no BSOD or other noticeable problems.

GOG games work like a charm. Some very old ones, like Jeff Vogel/Spiderweb's Avernum, they work without compatibility settings. Trying to play Avernum on Windows 10, the resolution settings did nothing and the game UI wasn't resized, ending up with a small box on a 27" screen. That was not the case on 11, where this works like a charm. New games like Horizon Zero Dawn work equally as well and with what I think has to do with the new memory settings implemented in Windows 11, where a game is allowed to manage this resource itself, it worked like a charm. No performance issue at all at mostly the highest settings for each option offered in game. Having tested a wide variety of games, when there had been small issues, they were related to NVIDIA settings or the game itself. Some screen tearing here or an input lag or fps-drop there, nothing out of the usual or different to what I had seen in my Windows 10 environment.

If your system meets the requirements, they aren't ridiculously high at all, there is little reason not to migirate. You can either use your Windows 7 Ultimate or 10 Pro key in order to unlock 11 Pro for free. My advice is not to upgrade but to install a vanilla version instead if you decide to give it a try. Remembering how it was with 7 Ultimate and the forced upgrade to 10, when it happened, several services didn't work as they should, maintenance tasks had been destroyed, many things weren't accessible. Lots of trouble for very little in return during the early months, which haven't really been solved doing a fresh install of 10.

So far I haven't had any regrets adopting 11 because the games work, software works, no BSOD's or other problems. After having got used to using it, it's become a pleasant experience. It isn't as good as Windows 2000 or 2003 server, but a great step in the right direction. If I had to say, it is what 10 could have or should have been, where the only real downside is limited rights issues, deep integration of Edge (where MS clearly didn't learn their lesson). Even with this I find it is a far better experience over its predecessor.

Who would I recommend making the switch to 11 to? A person who built a new system or upgraded their HDD and someone looking for a new experience or wishes to get a feel for that OS. In case you are satisfied and got a working 10 environment just stick with it because as the old saying goes, never touch a running system!

System-specs:
Straight Power 11 ATX 750W
ASUS Prime Z390-A Gaming
Intel Core i7-9700KF 12MB Cache @4.9 GHz
Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (2x16) DDR4 3200 MHz
MSI GeForce RTX 3060 Ti GAMING Z Trio 8G (no OC)
NVME - Samsung 980 PRO 1 TB PCIe 4.0 (Windows 11 Pro)
SSD - Samsung 860 EVO 2 TB (Software/Games)
SSD - Samsung 850 EVO 1TB (Slackware)
Thanks for that review, that was the type of real-world experience I was hoping for.
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nightcraw1er.488: I imagine it will be like the release of windows 10, you remember those months where every computer in the world went down due to windows 10 not working, the rioting, the wars that followed, all that happend until they rolled everyone back to windows 7.
I'm not sure that comparison works, as there was Windows 8 and 8.1 between Windows 7 and 10. I recall especially Windows 8 wasn't received that peacefully, even by me, and many chose to remain in Windows 7 instead of migrating to 8 or 8.1, which in the end apparently were free upgrades to all Windows 7 users IIRC, just as Windows 10 eventually was as well. At this very moment, I am downloading Rocky Linux, which is supposed to fill the gap that CentOS left.

I just learned today it has been finally released, so I am going to install it in VirtualBox ASAP, to see if there are any real differences to RHEL8 or OEL8, or all the same shit works the same (I hope).

More related to my work, now we can possibly offer a free alternative to customers who prefer RHEL Linuxes to Ubuntus. We have already installed e.g. OEL8 to some such customers, but who knows if Oracle eventually does the same as IBM did with CentOS...
Post edited October 31, 2021 by timppu