Fonzer: Think that mastercard also has a law saying no unconsensual body mutilation. So gore but why are they all treating fictional character as real people when none of them need any consent since they are not real living beings.
Edit it's called nonconsensual mutilation of body parts.
Didn't check my english
Very wierd considering how frequent this is as a dramatic scene in battles. The Empire should not strike back, then. Luke has to keep his hand! (Luke does not even have an Id.. "Luke does not exist!")
Catventurer: If you read the PC Gamer article that UnashamedWeeb posted (See Post #13), all of the games that were censored specifically involved incest porn. Nobody is going to take to the streets to protest the censorship of incest porn, so this is just an easy win and sets a precedent where the credit card companies get to decide for us what we are and are not allowed to play.
dick1982: NGL , would be wild if gamers marched out on the streets with slogans like "Gimme Wincest Porn or give me d@ath!"
Well, when we say it's disquieting that the boundaries between fiction and reality are blurred when (portions of) the public reacts (without thinking enough) we're implying also this. In fact, it kinda happened, but related to actual crime offences, not depictions!! It happened that pedophiles tried to jump on the success of civil rights movements and say "ours is just a different kind of love, let us be". Nice try, they failed. Let's not put all different things into the same bag, let's not simplify.
MarkoH01: Just wanted to add that I totally agree with what Gersen and Cavalary said here.
It does not matter at all what the game is about as long as it is a game and as long as there is no REAL person is in any type or form harmed in making or playing it. I would not play a "kill the cats" simulator game ... but I would also not want to ban it. Let people DECIDE what they want to PLAY.
SultanOfSuave: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na2QdKpoY9k It's a special breed called a Shroedinger cat. You can't say it existed (both in and out of the clip) since the specially sealed "kitty stomping box" is not opened. It's a doubly fictional beast! Fantastic Beasts and where not to find them.
Shmacky-McNuts: ... should have been kept on the site and the option to borrow them ...
I see what you're doing here!
dick1982: >www.youtube.com/embed/ONRIxuJmQWw
power of nippon gods and anime sanctioned VISA at least.
I nearly read "power of nipple gods"...
Chacranajxy: We also hashed this exact same brand of stupidity out 20-30 years ago with video game violence, only to have essentially everything eventually reveal that *shock* there's no causal link between video game violence and real life violence.
Hopefully we can speedrun this latest bit of stupidity, but it's just annoying that just as it feels like we're digging out of the current ideological horse shit that's weighed down games for the last 10 years, now we've got this to potentially contend with. It never ends.
BanditKeith2: In fact the only link adult games have to the real life thing is studies shown much like the violent video game matter when there is easy enough access to it.. crime of that kind is way down.. but when a place doesn't have such content or its very hard to get .. well then those times of crimes go way up .. So in truth the only link/correlation to such media is a postive one as it keeps such bad things in the virtual/digital space rather then the real world
Well, I'm not sure about that. It can be a vent outlet but it also an incidental inspiration, depending on real-life intentions and situations that were already there, so I'd argue that their contribution to crimes is a +x-x= net zero
lupineshadow: I'm getting an anti-censorship vibe from replies to my post.
Let me respond in the extreme by saying that a game that allows you to recreate Auschwitz is not ok.
So where do you draw the line?
There is a line. Just because you believe that games should not be censored - yes they should be if they cross the line.
And I hate to use Auschwitz as the example here because of the Palestinian genocide but there are red lines (that used to be enforced by national legislation and still are depending on the country)
I promise you that in the 90s or 00s these incest games would not have been sold at GameStop or ElectronicsBoutique or any similar game shop.
First, they're (again) fiction, so no concentration camp is happening while you are playing with a non-existent one.
Second, the line is between reality or at least reality-impacting (with proof) material or not. Unless you want to be charged with manslaughter (and not in-game!) when you run on pedestrians on Carmageddon.
Third, we already have such thing at home, just not literally, or in very not graphic games. When you just explore ideas, everything is fine, everything is an indirect reference to things and events both good or bad, and everything can be considered disturbing. Not enough of a reason to sanitise your art to death.
What are these games that can let you run a (comedic?!) oppressive regime on pixel people?
I'd say: Dungeon Keeper/Overlord, Lemmings (if played in a certain way at least, ehe) Rimworld I think. All of them non specific. But if someone is bent on finding inspiration for crimes, then they will find it, as they could find it everywhere. Then there's the more literal Wolfenstein 2. You're against them, but they're still on screen, and these campaigners do not seem to care much for context.
They actually were on store shelves. EA published C&C Generals back then , a satyrical/slightly comedic take on..future wars in Middle East, for example (its mold was the same as Westwood games, and someone raised a brow; it was I think 2005, real troops were in Afghanistan back then)
Fourth, to speak of Middle East, what are we making a fuss about? Fictional mass suffering? When we have a wide array of real one ongoing? That's the ultimate point of this: so much ire about art, so much less about actual people being undeniably harmed.
Lastly, it's an Alabaman Horse so you can get used to far more stringent moral codes..