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Posted July 24, 2025
GoG will do the same, I am sure. They can't afford to say fuck you either.
Only thing that could help is a world wide payment solution from Europe that can say fuck you to US religious fanatics.

But I think the next one being hit will be Patreon. To my knowledge, a lot X-rated games development is there, financed by supporters.

Itch might be done though.

I wish all good luck for the Japan going against it.
Posted July 24, 2025
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idbeholdME: Japan actually seems to be taking action. Potential lawsuit against VISA
You love to see it. :)
Post edited July 24, 2025 by NuffCatnip
Posted July 24, 2025
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Sotomonte: As many other forum members have said, the crux of the matter isn’t whether games that touch on certain taboo topics are banned, but that sooner or later this will extend to all topics these activists deem censorable
I think this is really bad even without any slippery slope argument.

The key is to have empathy for people who enjoy things that most people might consider taboo, and try to see things from the individual's perspective. How does it feel when the "tyranny of the masses" suppresses and denies the individuals' right to their preferred private entertainment, produced and consumed willingly without harming anybody? We're effectively accusing them of thought crime, and in doing so we might be hurting them a lot. If I had to guess, quite a few of these individuals may already feel repressed and outcast for obvious reasons. They're already hurting and this sort of massive assault on their private life is just reprehensible. Does it get better if we tell them they're sick weirdos? Why don't we just go whack these people with a baton and tell them that society doesn't want them..

Nah. Live and let live.
Post edited July 24, 2025 by clarry
Posted July 24, 2025
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GHOSTMD: please do not give in to the blackmail demands of VISA and Mastercard
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Gersen: Given what happened with Devotion, I wouldn't hold my breath...

That said in this case I doubt they could do anything, if a company as powerful as Valve had to cave in immediately I doubt Gog would be able to do anything if they want to survive. The only positive I would see is that AFAIK none of the games that Gog is selling have been removed from Steam...yet.

But yes I really hope that VISA & MC attacking Steam and now itch.io will at least managed to raise awareness on the danger and abuse of power from payments processors and the necessity to either regulate them or offer alternatives.
There are laws against this already, in the end its not GoG who makes the decision i presume
GoG is "just" a daughter company of the CDP group.

Given that Steam caved ye that made the situation quite worse... same as itch caving.
That shouldn t happend in the fist place, those 2 VALVE for all the means should ve
SHOULD VE sat down the lawyers and sue the arsehair of the payment processors
because free trade and all that.

Here in the EU namely the PSD2 ruleset and so on
ofc in the end if GoG or Steam or Itch decide to figjht
the best way to do it will be a

ALTERNATIVE PAYMENT METHOD

like direct Transfer with my debit card or online banking

But well... here we are... lets hope they cant just act like that in the EU "sphere"
But its up to the CDP group.

PS:
i suppose steam simply did go the way of the least resistance for them
instead of fighting
same for itch
Post edited July 24, 2025 by GHOSTMD
Posted July 24, 2025
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idbeholdME: Japan actually seems to be taking action. Potential lawsuit against VISA
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NuffCatnip: You love to see it. :)

In all honesty, those payment processors are breaking laws, how tf has this gone this far?
What laws have they broken? I definitely don't agree with what they're doing, but it seems like they are within their right to do so. At least in the US where corporations are people and money is speech.
Posted July 24, 2025
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NuffCatnip: You love to see it. :)

In all honesty, those payment processors are breaking laws, how tf has this gone this far?
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paladin181: What laws have they broken? I definitely don't agree with what they're doing, but it seems like they are within their right to do so. At least in the US where corporations are people and money is speech.
Nevermind, I misread something, payment processors like Master Card can discriminate against companies without having to fear repercussions.

Should probably edit my post. :P
Post edited July 24, 2025 by NuffCatnip
Posted July 25, 2025
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paladin181: What laws have they broken? I definitely don't agree with what they're doing, but it seems like they are within their right to do so. At least in the US where corporations are people and money is speech.
I'm this specific instance, they are within their right* to censor things. They have flagrantly broken the law in regards to anti-trust laws and have been investigated by the DOJ for stifling competition.

*Not really. If you maintain an oligopoly by destroying competition through tacit collusion with your supposed competition - then the power to censor derived through such law-breaking isn't really a right anymore because you wouldn't have had that power in the first place if you were fair.
Post edited July 25, 2025 by tremere110
Posted July 25, 2025
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randomuser.833: GoG will do the same, I am sure. They can't afford to say fuck you either.
Only thing that could help is a world wide payment solution from Europe that can say fuck you to US religious fanatics.

But I think the next one being hit will be Patreon. To my knowledge, a lot X-rated games development is there, financed by supporters.

Itch might be done though.

I wish all good luck for the Japan going against it.
check with the aussie activist grp that's been calling for such payment bans, and gloating about it on socials. they're not from USA and they don't sound religious at all. they're a bunch of woke lefty feminazis... other users before you already posted about it. learn to read?
Posted July 25, 2025
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Paratech2008: So will they go to GOG and make demands, and what games will be forced to be removed?
Not enough cats. Hoping more will switch to drm free gaming after this but my cynicism says otheriwse.
Posted July 25, 2025
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Sotomonte: As many other forum members have said, the crux of the matter isn’t whether games that touch on certain taboo topics are banned, but that sooner or later this will extend to all topics these activists deem censorable
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clarry: I think this is really bad even without any slippery slope argument.

The key is to have empathy for people who enjoy things that most people might consider taboo, and try to see things from the individual's perspective. How does it feel when the "tyranny of the masses" suppresses and denies the individuals' right to their preferred private entertainment, produced and consumed willingly without harming anybody? We're effectively accusing them of thought crime, and in doing so we might be hurting them a lot. If I had to guess, quite a few of these individuals may already feel repressed and outcast for obvious reasons. They're already hurting and this sort of massive assault on their private life is just reprehensible. Does it get better if we tell them they're sick weirdos? Why don't we just go whack these people with a baton and tell them that society doesn't want them..

Nah. Live and let live.
I was giving some thought to this all day when I was reading this post:

Is it really actually justice to let certain types of people just get lost in such things like being attracted to your cousin and need video games around this subject just to stop the intrusive thoughts? Aren't the developers in a way victimizing them further, and continuing their taboo urges and profiting off their own disgust and misery?

Reminder to everyone that people are attracted to taboo things are likely victims of abuse in most cases (but not all), and I don't think its right when developers glorify certain fantasies that it furthers that mental abuse. (these people were not born this way, they were molded into this by a abuser).

If we had any empathy for these people then other people need to reach out to them, and see if they need actual help rather than trying to cleanse their urges through these taboo games which might as well be taking hard drugs just to stave off the intrusive thoughts.

Video games is literally not the answer to their own problems, seeking help from others if gamers cared enough about this subject should be the solution.

On another note:

Though lately through recent developments, I see now they been taking down adult games that had nothing to do with those subjects and now its being a oppressive atmosphere for everyone. I was afraid this was gonna happen, and now we're all paying the price for it and could affect run of the mill games like The Witcher.
Post edited July 25, 2025 by Kaliesto
Posted July 25, 2025
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Kaliesto: Is it really actually justice to let certain types of people just get lost in such things like being attracted to your cousin and need video games around this subject just to stop the intrusive thoughts? Aren't the developers in a way victimizing them further, and continuing their taboo urges and profiting off their own disgust and misery?

Reminder to everyone that people are attracted to taboo things are likely victims of abuse in most cases (but not all), and I don't think its right when developers glorify certain fantasies that it furthers that mental abuse. (these people were not born this way, they were molded into this by a abuser).
Heh, that made me wonder how would, uh, the vast majority of royal or otherwise ruling families from the dawn of civilization until very recently on the timescale of said human civilization react to that view about the cousins thing.
Posted July 25, 2025
I don't personally get into the NSFW genre, so it's not about my preferences. However, the way Steam and Itch.io reacted to pressure from payment processors was unacceptable. Their decisions felt rushed and forced, with little thought for the creators or the gamers affected. The payment processors extortion-like pressure to ban or hide content is seriously concerning. We must be able to spend our money how we want, not receive orders on what's allowed or not.
Posted July 25, 2025
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BJMcKay: I don't personally get into the NSFW genre, so it's not about my preferences. However, the way Steam and Itch.io reacted to pressure from payment processors was unacceptable. Their decisions felt rushed and forced, with little thought for the creators or the gamers affected. The payment processors extortion-like pressure to ban or hide content is seriously concerning. We must be able to spend our money how we want, not receive orders on what's allowed or not.
While I understand your view, I am guessing a form of blackmail is going on, and so a huge amount of financial loss could result. Steam could likely weather that, but I'm not sure about Itch.io and others. I also imagine that Steam has already had some financial impact by its war with Epic.

So imagine for instance, if a bunch of Christian religions, some quite big, and perhaps other supporting religions, asked or told their followers not to buy from certain stores, as directed by God. That could result in a large financial loss to those stores.
Posted July 25, 2025
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BJMcKay: I don't personally get into the NSFW genre, so it's not about my preferences. However, the way Steam and Itch.io reacted to pressure from payment processors was unacceptable. Their decisions felt rushed and forced, with little thought for the creators or the gamers affected. The payment processors extortion-like pressure to ban or hide content is seriously concerning. We must be able to spend our money how we want, not receive orders on what's allowed or not.
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Timboli: While I understand your view, I am guessing a form of blackmail is going on, and so a huge amount of financial loss could result. Steam could likely weather that, but I'm not sure about Itch.io and others. I also imagine that Steam has already had some financial impact by its war with Epic.

So imagine for instance, if a bunch of Christian religions, some quite big, and perhaps other supporting religions, asked or told their followers not to buy from certain stores, as directed by God. That could result in a large financial loss to those stores.
Pretty much nobody uses epic for anything other than all the free games :D
If anybody could push back on this it's steam but I guess when it comes to his free speech libertarianism, gaben prefers to make sure he can afford his 7th yacht.
Posted July 25, 2025
I am a exception as usual: I use EGS mainly in order to get a few good DRM free games, which was only 8 so far for a usually salty price (there are no keys on EGS and my market is pricey). Yet, if they give me what i want it is worth it to me. The only "free game" i got from them is "Callisto Protocol", as the other games are not good enough for me and i value my limited time to much... so i got no time hunting the very few good games that are not only free but even DRM free, which is close to nothing.

Steam in my mind is ubiquitous with a PC-market dominance so big, they can be considered a quasi-monopoly.

That does not mean only to support them, instead it should be even more of a reason "spreading the love and spreading the might".
Post edited July 25, 2025 by Xeshra
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