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It must be all the games they have on their store, and with great discounts too!

Those really are the only reasons people flock to Steam. Maybe there are other reasons as well, but who cares, really? You?!? Nah, didn't think so...
Post edited November 17, 2021 by timppu
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Jon_Irenicus_PL: despite the fact they are a bad company?
Are they?
Why?
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Jon_Irenicus_PL: Why do you think Valve has such a stainless reputation amongst gamers, ...
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Lifthrasil: It does? First thing I hear of that.

Oh! It's one of those Geralt/Irenicus threads. So the opening question doesn't have to make sense.
As I said, check out r/pcgaming or r/pcmasterrace
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Catshade: Volvo is like the Amazon of PC gaming space. People criticize them all the time for various faults, but for a lot of people it's the de facto way of playing PC games, so at best they just grit their teeth and try to ignore/tolerate the problems.

But no, Valve does not have 'stainless reputation'. For the general PC gaming public they're just too big to boycott without severely inconveniencing themselves. At the end of the day they just want to play their games in peace.
You make a fine point. However, there is a certain difference between Amazon (unless you are talking about Amazon Video or whatever) and Volvo/Steam. Amazon delivers the product to your hands. They get your money, you get the product, you part ways. Your legal and factual interaction ends there. You are free to keep the product for however long you wish, and Amazon doesn't have a say in that.

With Steam, however, you are relying on Valve to keep the services running. Once they stop, you are in trouble. And what if you happen to be banned from the service? They reserve the right to do just that.

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Timboli: While Valve are responsible for Steam, Steam isn't responsible for Valve.

It's a bit like walking and chewing gum at the same time.

While I don't like Steam, I fully acknowledge how successful Volvo have been, and in my mind at least, I separate the games Volvo have made, from the Steam store ... even though that's the only place you can buy them. That said, a fair few of Volvo's games are what some call DRM-Free Lite ... can run without the Steam client.

We now live in a world where many don't care about owning things all that much. I'm not one of those, but I understand that mentality. Unlike when I was growing up, there is a glut of things available now, that seems never-ending and with something new around every corner. It is quite possible to continue forward without looking back, especially if life is busy. But we will see (me probably not) if those not caring now, will care more when they get older and nostalgia kicks in, and they can't access something they would dearly love to.

But then .... who knows what the future of gaming will be.
Actually, it's happening right now. You can't legally play the original GTA III, Vice City, or San Andreas, unless you have an old physical copy or if you had bought them before they were taken down. And those are some of the greatest games ever made.
Post edited November 18, 2021 by Jon_Irenicus_PL
Valve is the greatest human endeavor ever attempted. And they failed
Previous attempts by OP:

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/why_do_people_think_pc_gaming_steam/post1

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/irrefutable_proof_that_steamvalve_is_a_crappy_company_and_that_gog_is_superior/post1
A couple of things:

They enabled todays vast indie market. Before Steam, independent games were rare. There were a lot of shareware games, sure, but to actually find them was another matter. I also suspect that the hassle of handling distribution and payment was a big problem for many indies. And for an Indie game to be sold at brick and mortar stores was just unheard of. Thats what the publisher originally did...
It did away with the hassle of always having discs inserted as a copy protection device.
It was just convenient to buy games there. No need to go to the store, just to find out that the new game you wanted was sold out. Or that the game never was published in your country and had to be imported at considerable costs.
The ability to change game language was also a lot more common with Steam games
Sales with big discounts.
Technological advancement. Valve does quite a bit of stuff, hard- and software.
Because most people are mindless sheep. Enough said.
Usually the newbies to PC gaming love Steam. AAA games, the rewards, but there is a huge base that hates the DRM.
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Mr.Mumbles: Because most people are mindless sheep. Enough said.
Baaahd black sheep! :)
Post edited November 19, 2021 by herkyman
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herkyman: but there is a huge base that hates the DRM.
No there isn't, unless you are speaking specifically about performance ruining & highly intrusive forms of DRM like Denuvo.

Aside from that, 95%+ of PC game players couldn't care less about DRM. DRM doesn't matter to them at all whatsoever.
Post edited November 19, 2021 by Ancient-Red-Dragon
If Valve was a country, it would be Latveria
Probably because without Steam PC gaming would be in a much worse position today, a much smaller market for sure.
You keep making threads like this - often repeating the title or remixing it.

THAT is your fugging answer!
1. Valve made classic games.

2. Vast majority of PC gamers actually like Steam and its features a lot.

3. Very few people care about DRM.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: No there isn't, unless you are speaking specifically about performance ruining & highly intrusive forms of DRM like Denuvo.

Aside from that, 95%+ of PC game players couldn't care less about DRM. DRM doesn't matter to them at all whatsoever.
Yeah, I'd agree with this. There's a larger percentage that hate things like Denuvo, but other than that no one really cares about a DRM like Steamworks.

Games that use Steam's optional DRM are seen as more valuable or preferred store still because of the features that Valve provides with Steam. I mean, look how much people love their achievements, Steam trading cards, Badges, Community Profiles... It's like a gamer social media for some. I don't care about that stuff, but a lot of people do, and will always choose Steam.

If people actually cared about DRM and whether something is DRM-free or not then GOG would have a much larger market share, and they don't even have double digits in market share...

Someone mentioned this a few weeks ago and I have no idea if it's true or not, but it sounded accurate and that was games that are advertised to be coming to GOG the same day as Steam get about 8% of the sales. That's pathetic, and games that come to GOG after a Steam release do even less, and somewhere around 2-3%

Again, I have no idea if that's accurate or not, but it sounds like it's in the ballpark. Worrying about a DRM like Steamworks that is already tissue paper and is cracked day one every single time is not worth worrying about for most people. Honestly, outside of something like Denuvo the much bigger concern would be compatibility issues, and not something like Steamworks.

Lifes too short to be worrying about non-Denuvo DRM's. I mean, look at some of the people here on GOG still begging for Skyrim... You could have been playing Skyrim for 10 years or something on Steam, but instead people want to worry about DRM. Lifes too short for most people to care about that. They just want to play the game.

If I asked you if you think Steam will be around five (5) years from now, what would you say? Pretty much everyone is going to say yes.

Now if I asked if you think GOG will be around five (5) years from now, what would you say? And for that the answer is much more unclear.

DRM-free and offline installers is nice here on GOG, but if GOG shuts down, then having to maintain and manage a backup of hundreds of games would be worse than actually dealing with DRM'd games on Steam.

What happens if your hardware based backups fail? You gonna pay for online storage to back up hundreds of games? Sure you could argue that GOG games are DRM-free and easily pirated. Well, the same deal is for Steam games. Anything using Steamworks optional DRM is cracked day one. All day.
Post edited November 19, 2021 by TomNuke
Because the average person can excuse just about anything in favor of convenience.