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I haven't read the Witcher books (yet), but if you want story above all else then you want the A Song of Fire and Ice books over the heavily simplified TV series.

Oh and to people saying that the last series of Game of Thrones was bad, don't forget that the book it was based on sucked just as bad. Let's hope it's a blip.
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superstande: I have no problem with nudity, just when it is used as a cheap trick to get away with something, like movie that is otherwise unimaginative and not too interesting... But it's just an opinion, and that's how I felt... you know, cheated. "Stare at these bodies so you'll forget there was nothing interesting going on otherwise." Or at least nothing that hasn't been done before... :)
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itchy01ca01: Hmm... nope, if you watch the GOT scenes where there IS nudity, there is TON of dialogue, important story points and other stuff going on. While Dany was naked, her brother was furthering his character arc and explaining reasons why he wanted to be King.
Tyrion and his naked girls? That all added to his character.

The vast majority of the nudity in GOT is there for a reason, even if some people don't understand it. It all had a purpose, even if you thought that purpose was immoral or cowardly etc.

At least GOT has the guts to show bodies and nudity of all types (Old men, young men, young women, old women) and approach sex from an adult perspective (It happens. In times past, it happened even if some party to it didn't want it to happen.) At the very least it shows the negative impact of rape and incest. Most shows won't even TOUCH those subjects.
The nudity itself isn't really necessary though. I understand that there is often a lot of dialog (or 'sexposition') that adds to the story during those scenes, but most of them could probably have been done without the gratuitous nudity. :p
Wheel of Time to me is the richest fantasy world I've ever had the pleasure to adventure through in books, and if you haven't read it, please do yourself a favor and pick up the books. Jordan is long winded in many of his books but usually with good cause. It's not dark fantasy but rather high fantasy, so sex and really touchy subjects like racism, incest and rape aren't really a factor.

The witcher books are ok. Song of Ice and Fire are just too crudely written for me to get into honestly. Feels like it wants to be dark fantasy, wants to be edgy, like a 14 year old wants to be edgy. There's just not a ton of good things going on there.
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itchy01ca01: Hmm... nope, if you watch the GOT scenes where there IS nudity, there is TON of dialogue, important story points and other stuff going on. While Dany was naked, her brother was furthering his character arc and explaining reasons why he wanted to be King.
Tyrion and his naked girls? That all added to his character.

The vast majority of the nudity in GOT is there for a reason, even if some people don't understand it. It all had a purpose, even if you thought that purpose was immoral or cowardly etc.

At least GOT has the guts to show bodies and nudity of all types (Old men, young men, young women, old women) and approach sex from an adult perspective (It happens. In times past, it happened even if some party to it didn't want it to happen.) At the very least it shows the negative impact of rape and incest. Most shows won't even TOUCH those subjects.
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Kerchatin: The nudity itself isn't really necessary though. I understand that there is often a lot of dialog (or 'sexposition') that adds to the story during those scenes, but most of them could probably have been done without the gratuitous nudity. :p
I don't think there is anything immoral with nudity :) Maybe it wouldn't have mattered if I loved the series as it progressed, but I didn't, so... maybe it's just an opinion against another, a taste issue... I just thought there was too much of it. And too much of lot of other stuff too. Things that bored me. Sure there was lots of good things too, and no reason people shouldn't check it out if they haven't.

Like, take Witcher 1 (the Gog's Enhanced Edition) - I completely loved it. Wouldn't have played it through if it was just okay, and the optional sex scenes - some of them which didn't add anything else than a picture to the in-game lore book - would have made me feel cheated, if the rest of the game sucked. It's the content that matters. I even went and checked out what will happen if I'd ask the prostitutes to sleep with Geralt, because I thought there might be some funny suprises in store... don't want to spoil it to anyone though, so I'll zip it! :p
Post edited July 11, 2015 by superstande
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Kerchatin: The nudity itself isn't really necessary though. I understand that there is often a lot of dialog (or 'sexposition') that adds to the story during those scenes, but most of them could probably have been done without the gratuitous nudity. :p
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superstande: I don't think there is anything immoral with nudity :) Maybe it wouldn't have mattered if I loved the series as it progressed, but I didn't, so... maybe it's just an opinion against another, a taste issue... I just thought there was too much of it. And too much of lot of other stuff too. Things that bored me. Sure there was lots of good things too, and no reason people shouldn't check it out if they haven't.
Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with nudity, or think it's immoral either. I actually completely agree with you! :)
I was responding more to itchy01ca01's comment on GoT's nudity providing a lot of story/info.

I think nudity and sex can be effective, or add to the experience in the right context, but in GoT's case, I think it's a bit gratuitous for no good reason. Those story segments could be done just as well without the use of sex imo.

(for the record, I do actually like Game of Thrones. The books more so than the show)
Post edited July 11, 2015 by Kerchatin
Just reading the topic from the top of the page and saw this I missed before. :)

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amrit9037: The Witcher novels are better than Game of thrones but then someone made a terrible Movie and a less terrible TV series of The Witcher franchise.
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Faenrir: I disagree (I don't watch the show btw so i'm only comparing the books). The witcher novels are pretty light on content and can't be compared to a song of ice and fire. They feel like kid fantasy rather than the dark fantasy i was expecting.
It all depends about which Witcher books you are talking about. There are short stories (Sword of Destiny and The Last Wish are short story collections) and then there is "The Witcher Saga". The Witcher Saga is pretty dark. Short stories are light and fun. Although probably not for everyone.

TLDR: There are two series of Witcher books that differ a lot.

Citing Wikipedia:

The Witcher Stories

* Miecz Przeznaczenia (The Sword of Destiny) (1992, English edition: 2015)
* Ostatnie życzenie (The Last Wish) (1993, English edition: 2008). Note that, while The Last Wish was published after

The Sword of Destiny, the stories contained in The Last Wish take place first chronologically, and many of the individual stories were published before The Sword of Destiny.

The Saga

The Saga focuses on the story of Geralt of Rivia and Ciri, the Child of Destiny. Ciri, a princess of a recently conquered country and a key pawn in international politics, becomes a Witcher-in-training. Geralt is pulled into a whirlwind of events in his attempts to protect her.

* Krew elfów (Blood of Elves) (1994, English edition: 2008)
* Czas pogardy (Time of Contempt) (1995, English edition: 2013)
* Chrzest ognia (Baptism of Fire) (1996, English edition: 2014)
* Wieża Jaskółki (The Swallow's Tower) (1997)
* Pani Jeziora (Lady of the Lake) (1999)
Anyways, not everything was officialy translated to English. And what it was, people sometimes complain the translations were not that good. So, I guess it might be harder to enjoy. At least Martin is a native english speaker so nothing gets lost in the translation.
Post edited July 11, 2015 by astropup
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superstande: I don't think there is anything immoral with nudity :) Maybe it wouldn't have mattered if I loved the series as it progressed, but I didn't, so... maybe it's just an opinion against another, a taste issue... I just thought there was too much of it. And too much of lot of other stuff too. Things that bored me. Sure there was lots of good things too, and no reason people shouldn't check it out if they haven't.
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Kerchatin: Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with nudity, or think it's immoral either. I actually completely agree with you! :)
I was responding more to itchy01ca01's comment on GoT's nudity providing a lot of story/info.

I think nudity and sex can be effective, or add to the experience in the right context, but in GoT's case, I think it's a bit gratuitous for no good reason. Those story segments could be done just as well without the use of sex imo.

(for the record, I do actually like Game of Thrones. The books more so than the show)
Yeah, well put! :)
The "no good reason" is what bothered me too. If I was into porn or strip shows, there are places where it is available. But I didn't watch GoT for that, I swear! :)
Somehow it might have been alright, if there had been lots of full-on completely naked men in there, it'd be just so far out that I'd stop minding it (maybe!) :p
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astropup: Just reading the topic from the top of the page and saw this I missed before. :)

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Faenrir: I disagree (I don't watch the show btw so i'm only comparing the books). The witcher novels are pretty light on content and can't be compared to a song of ice and fire. They feel like kid fantasy rather than the dark fantasy i was expecting.
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astropup: It all depends about which Witcher books you are talking about. There are short stories (Sword of Destiny and The Last Wish are short story collections) and then there is "The Witcher Saga". The Witcher Saga is pretty dark. Short stories are light and fun. Although probably not for everyone.

TLDR: There are two series of Witcher books that differ a lot.

Citing Wikipedia:

The Witcher Stories

* Miecz Przeznaczenia (The Sword of Destiny) (1992, English edition: 2015)
* Ostatnie życzenie (The Last Wish) (1993, English edition: 2008). Note that, while The Last Wish was published after

The Sword of Destiny, the stories contained in The Last Wish take place first chronologically, and many of the individual stories were published before The Sword of Destiny.

The Saga

The Saga focuses on the story of Geralt of Rivia and Ciri, the Child of Destiny. Ciri, a princess of a recently conquered country and a key pawn in international politics, becomes a Witcher-in-training. Geralt is pulled into a whirlwind of events in his attempts to protect her.

* Krew elfów (Blood of Elves) (1994, English edition: 2008)
* Czas pogardy (Time of Contempt) (1995, English edition: 2013)
* Chrzest ognia (Baptism of Fire) (1996, English edition: 2014)
* Wieża Jaskółki (The Swallow's Tower) (1997)
* Pani Jeziora (Lady of the Lake) (1999)
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astropup: Anyways, not everything was officialy translated to English. And what it was, people sometimes complain the translations were not that good. So, I guess it might be harder to enjoy. At least Martin is a native english speaker so nothing gets lost in the translation.
i´m hearing (audiobook) blood of elves, i will look into the other ones as well.

i´m feeling that since the witcher is about Ciri and Geralt. maybe is a "friendly" start for beginners. does not have so many families and names like GOT.
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astropup: Just reading the topic from the top of the page and saw this I missed before. :)

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Faenrir: I disagree (I don't watch the show btw so i'm only comparing the books). The witcher novels are pretty light on content and can't be compared to a song of ice and fire. They feel like kid fantasy rather than the dark fantasy i was expecting.
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astropup: It all depends about which Witcher books you are talking about. There are short stories (Sword of Destiny and The Last Wish are short story collections) and then there is "The Witcher Saga". The Witcher Saga is pretty dark. Short stories are light and fun. Although probably not for everyone.

TLDR: There are two series of Witcher books that differ a lot.

Citing Wikipedia:

The Witcher Stories

* Miecz Przeznaczenia (The Sword of Destiny) (1992, English edition: 2015)
* Ostatnie życzenie (The Last Wish) (1993, English edition: 2008). Note that, while The Last Wish was published after

The Sword of Destiny, the stories contained in The Last Wish take place first chronologically, and many of the individual stories were published before The Sword of Destiny.

The Saga

The Saga focuses on the story of Geralt of Rivia and Ciri, the Child of Destiny. Ciri, a princess of a recently conquered country and a key pawn in international politics, becomes a Witcher-in-training. Geralt is pulled into a whirlwind of events in his attempts to protect her.

* Krew elfów (Blood of Elves) (1994, English edition: 2008)
* Czas pogardy (Time of Contempt) (1995, English edition: 2013)
* Chrzest ognia (Baptism of Fire) (1996, English edition: 2014)
* Wieża Jaskółki (The Swallow's Tower) (1997)
* Pani Jeziora (Lady of the Lake) (1999)
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astropup: Anyways, not everything was officialy translated to English. And what it was, people sometimes complain the translations were not that good. So, I guess it might be harder to enjoy. At least Martin is a native english speaker so nothing gets lost in the translation.
Oh well that's good to know...I might read the saga then because i only read the last wish not knowing it was different from the rest of the books.
Witcher, but i like Game of Thrones tv show, not the game.
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sasuke12: See for yourself

The witcher
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wdw_m6DvF8s
+1 really enjoyed that, cheers! :)
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martigasin: i´m feeling that since the witcher is about Ciri and Geralt. maybe is a "friendly" start for beginners. does not have so many families and names like GOT.
No families, some names, but the book itself is dark in its own regard. The relation between Ciri and Geralt in the first book is kinda short as they get separated pretty fast. But I don't want to spoil it to you. Although taking in account several days passed you probably already found out about that. :)

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Faenrir: Oh well that's good to know...I might read the saga then because i only read the last wish not knowing it was different from the rest of the books.
I don't say you are necessarily going to like it, but give it a chance. It's different in tone. ;)