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To be fair, there are so many racial differences. Some are short, some long. Some are on ovals, some perfect circles. Then of course you have relays and endurance not to mention the obvious differences in type be it automotive, human, horse, chariot.

I'm sorry am I in the wrong thread?
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tinyE: "Racism is stupid when there are so many perfectly good reasons to hate people on an individual basis."
You (almost) never fail to put a smile on my face :)
I'm still waiting for a Hispanic Bane. Third time's the charm.
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Crispy78: My mum still tells the story of my comments in the post office queue. I would have been about 2 (so this would have been around 1980) and was sat in the push chair waiting for our turn, when I noticed something - and loudly piped up 'Mummy look! That man is BLACK!'
Something quite similar happened to me. Couldn't understand why my father didn't find it surprising. Couldn't understand why my father seemed to feel uncomfortable about my finding it surprising. Couldn't understand why he got angry at me for insisting on finding it surprising. Can't remember if he explained later or I ended up finding out on my own. Not that I blame him or anything, but I hope I'll do better when the time comes for me to explain my future childrem about race.

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tinyE: "Racism is stupid when there are so many perfectly good reasons to hate people on an individual basis."
This.
Probably the first time large groups of black students attacked me and my white friends at school. About the 6th grade. Had no beef with the people until then. It's been a rocky relationship ever since... still, try to be nice to them anyway. I always try to be nice to anyone until or unless they're not nice to me.

Dealing with the reverse racism I had to at school made me realize that you don't have to be brown skinned to be oppressed or discriminated against. Being violently jumped at school on a weekly basis can certainly change your perspective on things.
Oh shit, my uncle is in here.
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Wishbone: That has nothing to do with racism, that's just respect for the original material. I suspect that you'd be just as annoyed if a character who was black in the original book/comic was played by a white guy in the movie.
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Gilozard: But if the original material was racist - and most comics were/are very racist - that complicates things.

I'd be fine with a different race for Spiderman. Race isn't really important to his character arc, intelligence is. He lives in Queens originally anyway, so there's a good case to be made for a race switch. There are lots of superheros where race isn't relevant to the arc.

Some couldn't be changed without changing their character, though. The whole point of Captain America was that he was an Aryan ideal representing America who punched Hitler in the face.
So you're saying the Spiderman comics and most other comics are racist because.......?

If race genuinely isn't important too his character then people wouldn't be demanding that it be changed. Though it is funny that you point to Captain America as an example of someone who shouldn't be race-swapped when that is basically what has happened.
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Gilozard: But if the original material was racist - and most comics were/are very racist - that complicates things.

I'd be fine with a different race for Spiderman. Race isn't really important to his character arc, intelligence is. He lives in Queens originally anyway, so there's a good case to be made for a race switch. There are lots of superheros where race isn't relevant to the arc.

Some couldn't be changed without changing their character, though. The whole point of Captain America was that he was an Aryan ideal representing America who punched Hitler in the face.
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Johnmourby: So you're saying the Spiderman comics and most other comics are racist because.......?

If race genuinely isn't important too his character then people wouldn't be demanding that it be changed. Though it is funny that you point to Captain America as an example of someone who shouldn't be race-swapped when that is basically what has happened.
"If race genuinely isn't important too his character then people wouldn't be demanding that it be changed."

BINGO. Sir, you win the 'most logical but never asked question in pop culture' award.
From as far as I can remember. My dad is Indian and dark skinned and my mom is Swiss and fair skinned, and my first memories are from us living in the United States where my classmates from preschool and kindergarten were of various races. Mostly white but all the other races were represented, like the crew of the Space Shuttle mission STS-51-L. At the time, it seemed like Star Trek had turned into reality and humanity was going to set aside their differences and all go to space together. Naturally, the world wasn't all wonderful like that in the 80s but as a kid I didn't know anything about the bad stuff.
In 1986, they installed cable TV at our school and we all sat together to watch the Challenger mission. When the space shuttle exploded into pieces, I was deeply traumatized for days. It didn't destroy my dream of becoming an astronaut but that was one of the first reality checks of my life.
Now that I think back, the Universe is really racist for not letting this mixed crew go up into space! Apparently, having a black guy, an Asian and even two women (!) aboard is too diverse for evil space.
When we moved to Switzerland the same year, I went to kindergarten again. One of the inbred town rascals called me a little black dwarf (despite him being shorter than me), apparently I was the most dark skinned person he ever saw and in fact there were no black people or even brown ones in my Swiss Alps village so I guess I was somewhat exotic until a Tamil family arrived a couple years later.
In elementary school there was a guy who was my best friend at times and my sworn enemy at other times. He called me a little black dwarf as well, and I called him a fat white maggot. I wasn't aware that we were technically both being "racist" but who gives a shit anyway, racist slurs are just insults so don't cry like a little pansy and draw the race card, just throw some insults back. Same guy tried to push me around on the schoolyard and I punched him in the stomach and he then started to cry and try to make himself look like the victim. Other times I ended up being crushed underneath his weight but overall we settled even scores I'd say. Back then, this wasn't a "hate crime". We called it a scuffle, because that's what it was. We were best friends other times and nowadays we're still good friends, he doesn't even call me Somalia Boy anymore :) Another classmate in high school, the class president valedictorian overachiever type, tried to insult me once by saying my dad was a nigger. I retaliated by saying "at least my dad isn't the town drunk..."
That really hit him, his head turned read and he never insulted my dad again, ever. Because making fun about my dad's skin color is a non insult anyway, it has no power. His dad on the other hand was actually the town drunk, and while I'm not proud of hurting my classmate where it hurts most, he deserved it at the time. He basically couldn't stomach the fact that my dad was a neurosurgeon who attained the rank of lieutenant colonel in the U.S. Army as a military surgeon while his dad was "just" driving a snow groomer on the ski piste. I don't see where the problem is, I thought being a snow groomer driver was hella cool.
Nowadays, I don't get race insults anymore so I don't get to use any retorts, ah well everyone is so politically correct nowadays :D

Here's a picture of my childhood heroes. R.I.P.
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Post edited February 17, 2015 by awalterj
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Johnmourby: So you're saying the Spiderman comics and most other comics are racist because.......?

If race genuinely isn't important too his character then people wouldn't be demanding that it be changed. Though it is funny that you point to Captain America as an example of someone who shouldn't be race-swapped when that is basically what has happened.
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Emob78: "If race genuinely isn't important too his character then people wouldn't be demanding that it be changed."

BINGO. Sir, you win the 'most logical but never asked question in pop culture' award.
It is a good question, but the answer is obvious.

People of color are simply asking for more superheroes who are like them. That's a perfectly reasonable preference. I've never yet heard of people demanding that a specific superhero be changed. The comic book companies are the ones who made that decision.

I think the new Ms. Marvel handled it correctly. She's got a reasonable origin story insofar as superhero origins are ever reasonable, and is naturally herself vs having something shoved in for political correctness.
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Gilozard: But if the original material was racist - and most comics were/are very racist - that complicates things.

I'd be fine with a different race for Spiderman. Race isn't really important to his character arc, intelligence is. He lives in Queens originally anyway, so there's a good case to be made for a race switch. There are lots of superheros where race isn't relevant to the arc.

Some couldn't be changed without changing their character, though. The whole point of Captain America was that he was an Aryan ideal representing America who punched Hitler in the face.
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Johnmourby: So you're saying the Spiderman comics and most other comics are racist because.......?

If race genuinely isn't important too his character then people wouldn't be demanding that it be changed. Though it is funny that you point to Captain America as an example of someone who shouldn't be race-swapped when that is basically what has happened.
I never said the Spiderman comics were racist. I said that when original comic material is racist, we can't hide behind the 'it was always this way' excuse. Sometimes the way things were was terrible, and needs to be changed.
Post edited February 17, 2015 by Gilozard
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Johnmourby: When I was a kid I didn't "see" different colour skin.
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So, was I unusually for being colour blind for so long?
In my opinion, being colour blind (metaphorically speaking) is the ONLY way not to be a racist moron. Treat others simply as human-beings. It's absolutely OKAY to dislike someone for their behaviour, or way of life, or beliefs, or values, that conflict with yours. You do NOT have to tolerate everyone. But don't pre-judge a person and apply a bunch of stereotypes onto them before you've so much as heard them utter a word, or seen them behave in a certain way. Don't presume to know anyone simply because they were born as a caucasian person, a black person, an asian person, or whatever else. Also, positive stereotypes are equally racist as negative stereotypes. Don't do that. Just ignore race and judge people fairly.
Post edited February 17, 2015 by TDP
As far as I can tell I saw my first black people in Lisboa. Near the house, in which my parents had a flat, were the ghettos of blacks from the former colonies. And those were real ghettos with corrugated-iron shacks and shanties. That was at the end of the 1970s and early 1980s. We also had a black guy in primary school in Germany who I perceived as a friend.

btw.:
There doesn't really exist something like human races. At least not in a taxonomic sense. And this means that racism doesn't make sense.

Race (human classification)
Rassentheorie

Racism
Rassismus
i am still waiting for goblinization.

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iippo: i am still waiting for goblinization.

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Soon. Those holes they keep discovering in Russia are the key to goblinization. Once the hordes begin emerging from their hibernation cells, it will only be a matter of time.
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Emob78: Dealing with the reverse racism
That's not "reverse" racism, that's just straight up racism if they treated you and your friends that way just because you were a difference race to them.