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MarkoH01: ...
(I just skimmed your post, sorry if I missed something)
Surely we can assume the number of people using it by now was pretty low. I get that not hearing more info directly from GOG is not good enough for some people, I won't argue about that, but I think it's a fair logical conclusion.

That said, if Galaxy can be made easier to use for backup installers, yeah we should push GOG on that, especially if we can show they'll lose money otherwise. And imo the line in the sand is still DRM-free single-player. (maybe some people consider that line crossed with Gwent but isn't it still just multiplayer-only anyway?)

Feeling, feeling - do you think GOG originally marketed to and cultivated an extra-emotional base compared to other stores (especially banking on nostalgia), or no more than any other digital storefront? (plus I guess most marketing in general is an emotional appeal) There's the nostalgia for old games and I've seen nostalgia on the forums for Good Old Games. :p

PS4 people are wailing about Horizon Zero Dawn coming to PC, so maybe it's gamers in general. Or people in general. The solution is for everyone to die :D
Post edited March 11, 2020 by tfishell
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MarkoH01: Yes, I don't like change and maybe that is the main reason why this change is hitting me so much ... I also don't like making things ore complicated and archiving my games even with Galaxy will get more complicated now. What I wrote however is correct:. The user said that that he is using lgogdownloader and afaik this is a Python based script which is not really easy to work with ... at least not as easy as the one click download GOG downloader offered. So since he was telling me that there's no problem because this script exists I replied that this imo is not a really good and especially easy alternative.
Chipping in as I share the above, including the Python based alternative: making more complicated what was so easy. The biggest winners in that executive decision will be GOG's servers, as space will be liberated by the deletion of the GOG downloader's files.
Post edited March 11, 2020 by Flyingfluffypiglet
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karnak1: In case you may want to install Galaxy 2.0,it's now available for everyone. But I think it's only available for Win10 because of official software support issues (although I may be wrong in that).
Yes and no. It is OFFICIALLY only supporting Win10 but this may be just because of Win7 support being discontinued since I can confirm that it is working on Win7 as well - it still is beta so it still has issues but in general it is working.
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haldrie: I still used the GOG Downloader to novify mean when any of my games get updates (not just ones I have installed) so can you please at least make it so I can sort my games by last updated so I don't miss any game updates? I really don't want to be forced to use GOG Galaxy just to be notified of game updates and I don't want to use any launcher for any reason if I don't have to and the only reason I have been using GOG Galaxy up until now was to download offline installers that the GOG Downloader wasn't able to like the Linux installers.
Try using Adalia Fundamentals script - it has such an option.
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/adalia_fundamentals_fixing_gog_so_you_dont_have_to
Post edited March 11, 2020 by MarkoH01
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tfishell: The solution is for everyone to die :D
Grudge beyond the grave is a very real phenomenon, sir. Don't even think about it.
Post edited March 11, 2020 by Grargar
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Maxvorstadt: Nope, we don`t say goodbye, instead off to the wishlist we go:
https://www.gog.com/wishlist/site/keep_the_gog_downloader_and_keep_it_up_to_date
This, and it needs some more votes please:)
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karnak1: In case you may want to install Galaxy 2.0,it's now available for everyone. But I think it's only available for Win10 because of official software support issues (although I may be wrong in that).
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agogfan: I am running Windows 7 for this test. If I start the Galaxy 2.0 installer, I get a pop-up window that says "Waiting for installation to start...". Then the window disappears and nothing further happens. If I try to then run the installer again, I get a message saying that another GOG Galaxy installer is already running... but I then left it running for more than half an hour and still no progress with the installation.

When I get time to play with a Windows 10 install, I'll try the Galaxy 2.0 test again. Otherwise maybe GOG has some Galaxy gremlins at play on their side at the moment???

Thanks for your help though. Certainly got me having a closer look at Galaxy than I'd originally intended.
First install takes ages since the installation routine converts your Galaxy 1 installation into a Galaxy 2 one. You need to have patience here. As I said, it is possible to install and run it on Win7 since I have installed it myself usinf Win7 ultimate.
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lefthandblack: That figures. I used it exclusively to download all my games. The last time I tried to use Galaxy to download a backup copy all I ended up with was wasted bandwidth and a corrupted file. I was tempted to give Galaxy 2 a try but it doesn't support windows 7, WTF The majority of the games on here still support windows 7? No linux Galaxy yet either after HOW long?

The reasons for continuing to spend money here are drying up fast.
It does support Win7 - I use it myself and I run Win7.
Post edited March 11, 2020 by MarkoH01
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GameRager: Thing is, no one is forcing anyone away in such cases as much as people's moral choices/stances/how they choose to respond to such.....everyone is free to try taking what GOG offers(GOG isn't saying "you can't have this/that at all" essentially...people choose to part ways/avoid it in full or in part) if they want.
This topic is literally a GOG team member saying we cannot have Downloader at all. I appreciate you adding different perspectives and food for thought to topics, but with all due respect I think you're missing something on this one.
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MarkoH01: So you are using a Python script and of course it is as simple to use as the "one click and wait" download in GOG downloader is - I doubt it is tbh.
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timppu: I run one bat file (gog.bat) which does all these things:
- Downloads any new or updated game or extras/goodies files for the offline installers. I don't have to try track what has changed or I haven't downloaded yet, gogrepo does it automatically.
- Cleans my GOG game collection, moving away old obsolete installer files.
- Verifies that all my installers are still ok (no data corruption/bitrot).

Doing that with the GOG Downloader would take hours or days, and about 1000 or more mouse clicks. Plus I'd have to try to manually track what actually has been updated or I haven't downloaded yet, and also try to keep track which existing installer files in my hard drive have become obsolete. Meh.

If, however, I just want to download one game in order to install and play it here and now (and don't have access to that aforementioned local GOG installer collection), downloading with the browser is simple and good enough, even if I need to click a few more times in order to get a bigger multi-part installer.
The first problem is to get it to run. I am not lying here but with a help from another user I tried yesterday and it took about an hour to TRY to install it. The whole process is all working via command line and many people don't feel safe using them. It might be different if there would be any kind of UI. So I know will have to learn how to install Python and everything else needed (work in progress planning to continue this evening) and then I will have to learn commands. While this MAY in theory be more efficien in archiving updated games (which is my main goal) it#s definitely not as easy as the Downloader. I also still wonder how GOGrepo is selecting those updatzed games. At the moment I tag every game that has been updated with an update tag and on weekend or whenever I find time I click those games and download them. Worked fine for many years. I have my archived games on external HDDs - does GOGrepo need those files to compare if there has been an update?

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timppu: I don't recall Microsoft making a poll whether they should continue supporting Windows 98SE and XP from here to eternity. They had already decided beforehand that those products have only a certain lifespan after which the support ends. That is quite common in the software industry, old products are not supported forever.
I do believe you but GOG always told us that they were different than those unpersonal stores and companys and more and more I don't have that feeling anymore.
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MarkoH01: I know this - it is just that GOG really tried to go the extra mile to make us at least feel as being not just customers. Such decisions definitely - at least for me - are neglecting such efforts.
I get how one can think the world or something/someone/etc, but we must all remember that GOG/CDPR are businesses, not our family/friends, and we must think of them as businesses first and foremost when planning what to expect from them(dunno if I said this right....sometimes I have issues getting the right words "on paper")......i.e. we must be ready to accept that they won't always do things we want them to do and/or for them to do things that put us first.

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MarkoH01: I came home yesterday after a long and exhausting day of work and this is what I read so yes, my first reaction was ranting (and I agree, sometimes it's better to bot write immediately). So yes, some of my words I wrote yesterday might have been a little harsh - though I am still unhappy that GOG downloader's time is now almost over. To make it perfectly clear: it was never my intention to not help the community anymore - the community did not do anything to me. This was all about the fact that in the past I tried as well helping GOG (telling them about bugs, offering language specific versions ect.) whenever they needed me and at this moment my desire to do so has sunklen to zero. Then again, whenever I am able to help I tend to do so, it#s my character and I probably won't be able to change this. So no need to worry.
I am glad to hear you will be sticking around and doing your best(as you usually do) to help everyone out when you can.

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MarkoH01: Yes, I don't like change and maybe that is the main reason why this change is hitting me so much ... I also don't like making things ore complicated and archiving my games even with Galaxy will get more complicated now. What I wrote however is correct:. The user said that that he is using lgogdownloader and afaik this is a Python based script which is not really easy to work with ... at least not as easy as the one click download GOG downloader offered. So since he was telling me that there's no problem because this script exists I replied that this imo is not a really good and especially easy alternative.
Well to be fair/honest that wasn't a dig at just you but more a knock on most of us....not many like change to things they like or are used to....hopefully, though, a good alternative will rise to the top(from the current ones or something news) in time.

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MarkoH01: I basically have the same answer to this as I had in the first line. I know that they are not family and I know they are not true friends (though I consider some of them working there to be my friends) but since GOG always tried to give the customer the feeling to be their friend it hurts when reality hits back. Maybe a bit more explanation about the why and that they already were able to see that the numbers still using it are very low, would have softened the blow but GOG and communication ...
I agree somewhat they could've handled it better....maybe listed numbers of users and used that to justify their decision/maybe also made it an official news post, and also maybe even said they were working on a replacement.

As for reality: It can give us rude awakenings sometimes. That's why I took the "redpill"(or is it another color pill? I confuse some things sometimes) long ago and started seeing the world in a more "balanced" way.....not seeing it too much better or worse than it is. That way when bad things happen I can usually handle it better and faster than others and adapt if need be.

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MarkoH01: I have to confess that this was pure speculation on my part which I normally try to avoid but I fear that those colors might only be the tip of the iceberg ... maybe it IS just a bit of different colors on the same pages and some colors won't hurt anybody ... but I fear that these changes might go deeper. So since these are just assumptions based on only a gut feeling, maybe you should disregard them ... for now.
Ok...still, if they did some things people want(forum/site improvements) it might help lessen the blow this cause and make many people happy....so let's hope that sort of thing happens in the future. Sound good? :)
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tfishell: And imo the line in the sand is still DRM-free single-player. (maybe some people consider that line crossed with Gwent but isn't it still just multiplayer-only anyway?)
If GOG ever even HINTED at dropping drm-free i'd be right there up in arms with my fellow goggers protesting it.....thankfully that doesn't seem to be a possibility atm, though.

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tfishell: The solution is for everyone to die :D
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Grargar: Grudge beyond the grave is a very real phenomenon, sir. Don't even think about it.
But if everyone was dead, who would the dead hold a grudge on/with? These are the REAL questions one should be asking themselves. ;)
Post edited March 11, 2020 by GameRager
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rjbuffchix: This topic is literally a GOG team member saying we cannot have Downloader at all. I appreciate you adding different perspectives and food for thought to topics, but with all due respect I think you're missing something on this one.
I meant the games here....one can/could still partake via other download means.....no one is being kept from the games on offer entirely by GOG, is what I meant, and that much is true.

Do I feel bad for those who used this and cannot anymore? Yes.

Do I think GOG could've been more tactful in doing this? Yes

Am I going to worry too much over this and assume the worst? No
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rjbuffchix: This topic is literally a GOG team member saying we cannot have Downloader at all. I appreciate you adding different perspectives and food for thought to topics, but with all due respect I think you're missing something on this one.
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GameRager: I meant the games here....one can/could still partake via other download means.....no one is being kept from the games on offer entirely by GOG, is what I meant, and that much is true.

Do I feel bad for those who used this and cannot anymore? Yes.

Do I think GOG could've been more tactful in doing this? Yes

Am I going to worry too much over this and assume the worst? No
Ah, I see what you mean now. Thanks for clarifying. I just don't like the decrease in pro-consumer attitude. Yes, a business is always out to make money, sure...but many (particularly within niche markets) do quite well by going the extra mile for their customers. That's something a big store can't match, for multiple reasons. It's kind of like how Walmart can give you low prices that the local business cannot, but the local business has the ability to give you better service than Walmart.
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G323515: It was the perfect download companion for the movies here on gog
Rest in RIP GOG Downloader
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GameRager: Well at least everyone has GogRepo, and adalia is still going strong as ever.

Also an aside: Nice avatar...reminds me of this YTer named Styx. :)
Adalia is probably not helping here and I already mentioned the problems/difference with gogrepo as alternative for me.
Ok, seems like all the usual lot are here so am feeling a bit left out and will add my thoughts.
I don’t see why so many people have browser download issues? I have Firefox which gives me 4mbs across all my GOG downloads (up to 8 now, used to be 6 max at one time). Haven’t had a failed or slowed download in years.
For my money GOG downloaded is just a basic galaxy. I would rather the option of queuing offline installers downloads from the site itself or bit torrent downloads directly from site. That way I only need a browser (which does it all and is up to me to choose which one of the many available) to do everything I need. No third party proprietary software which may or may not work. Heck, wi does and browser leaking all my data is all I need for now, not more half assed data scraper software “solutions”.
TLDR:
Drop gogdownloader and galaxy, and add better download options to the website.
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nightcraw1er.488: Ok, seems like all the usual lot are here so am feeling a bit left out and will add my thoughts.
I don’t see why so many people have browser download issues? I have Firefox which gives me 4mbs across all my GOG downloads (up to 8 now, used to be 6 max at one time). Haven’t had a failed or slowed download in years.
For my money GOG downloaded is just a basic galaxy. I would rather the option of queuing offline installers downloads from the site itself or bit torrent downloads directly from site. That way I only need a browser (which does it all and is up to me to choose which one of the many available) to do everything I need. No third party proprietary software which may or may not work. Heck, wi does and browser leaking all my data is all I need for now, not more half assed data scraper software “solutions”.
TLDR:
Drop gogdownloader and galaxy, and add better download options to the website.
What works for some won't work for others, programs will crash for some and others will never have issues, that's the nature of PC and all variant configurations.

When something works for you, you tend to keep with it, and even though GOG downloader could be classified as obsolete, it still worked and did it's job just fine. And it sure is a hell of a lot lighter than Galaxy. As much as I do like FF and have it well configured, I sure wouldn't not entrust GBytes of data download with it, but that's me. Like you never had trouble with it in that respect, I never did with GOG downloader either.

Thing is, here with this subject like with every other, there will those who will prefer whatever over whatever else, for whatever reasons, and perhaps the best course of action would be to respect those choices even though they aren't ours. I may not like Galaxy for whatever reason, would not occur to be to bash or criticize those who swear by it.
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nightcraw1er.488: Ok, seems like all the usual lot are here so am feeling a bit left out and will add my thoughts.
I don’t see why so many people have browser download issues? I have Firefox which gives me 4mbs across all my GOG downloads (up to 8 now, used to be 6 max at one time). Haven’t had a failed or slowed download in years.
For my money GOG downloaded is just a basic galaxy. I would rather the option of queuing offline installers downloads from the site itself or bit torrent downloads directly from site. That way I only need a browser (which does it all and is up to me to choose which one of the many available) to do everything I need. No third party proprietary software which may or may not work. Heck, wi does and browser leaking all my data is all I need for now, not more half assed data scraper software “solutions”.
TLDR:
Drop gogdownloader and galaxy, and add better download options to the website.
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Flyingfluffypiglet: What works for some won't work for others, programs will crash for some and others will never have issues, that's the nature of PC and all variant configurations.

When something works for you, you tend to keep with it, and even though GOG downloader could be classified as obsolete, it still worked and did it's job just fine. And it sure is a hell of a lot lighter than Galaxy. As much as I do like FF and have it well configured, I sure wouldn't not entrust GBytes of data download with it, but that's me. Like you never had trouble with it in that respect, I never did with GOG downloader either.

Thing is, here with this subject like with every other, there will those who will prefer whatever over whatever else, for whatever reasons, and perhaps the best course of action would be to respect those choices even though they aren't ours. I may not like Galaxy for whatever reason, would not occur to be to bash or criticize those who swear by it.
And that is why nothing gets done, and why democracy never actually gets anything done. As you say, some people have option x and some have opinion y, and someone has to make a decision somewhere to choose. So if it is as you say that everyone is entitled to their opinions, I have posted mine, you have posted yours, and gog has decided to drop gogdownloader. End of discussion.