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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DIJVetzaHs

-DRM circumvention is illegal. So no tool assisted speedruns, very difficult modding
-No diving into files to find hidden DLC because its ''hacking''
-Piracy without distribution can land you with fine and have your PC destroyed
-''Commercial'' scale (NOT COMMERCIAL REVENUE) piracy can get you down for criminal charges. ''Commercial'' not defined. So if they put it as ''reasonably high'', we're fucked.

The TPP= trans-pacific partnership
Post edited October 13, 2015 by Shadowstalker16
people will always find a way

US politicians are doing a 180 on TPP anyway in fear of losing votes too
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Shadowstalker16: snip
And there I was wondering what on earth does Third Person Perspective have to do with DRM and file diving...
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JMich: And there I was wondering what on earth does Third Person Perspective have to do with DRM and file diving...
Also a coincidence that most TPP games are casual annuals that are shielded by DRM advocating companies.
Don't worry, I'm sure the TPP won't pass. Actually, I refuse to deal with anything making my DRM-free life even harder.
Please don't use uncommon abbreviations and acronyms without explaining what they mean.
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Shadowstalker16: -DRM circumvention is illegal. no copying DRM free Steam games
Now, how could they possibly know if I copy my game folder onto an external HDD, I mean it would be possible to see if someone is torrenting something or sharing mods online or streaming a speed run but this is just impossible to enforce isn't it?
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Shadowstalker16: -DRM circumvention is illegal. no copying DRM free Steam games
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huN73R: Now, how could they possibly know if I copy my game folder onto an external HDD, I mean it would be possible to see if someone is torrenting something or sharing mods online or streaming a speed run but this is just impossible to enforce isn't it?
This is indeed a bit too much for it to happen. No system cares what files you're moving or copying around as per a 'what's inside these files?' basis. For them to basically reinforce this rule, they'd have to put copies and moves under the radar, and that's not nice.

By the way, <3 Duke Nukem
Post edited October 13, 2015 by PookaMustard
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Shadowstalker16: -DRM circumvention is illegal. no copying DRM free Steam games
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huN73R: Now, how could they possibly know if I copy my game folder onto an external HDD, I mean it would be possible to see if someone is torrenting something or sharing mods online or streaming a speed run but this is just impossible to enforce isn't it?
Doesn't e.g. Windows 10 observe already what you are trying to do with your Windows Store applications, including hacking them? And MS has means to disable any such (Windows Store-originated) software on your PC which doesn't comply to their idea of fair use?

It appears to me PC is also getting more and more of Big Brother surveillance on what you are doing on your PC. I expect it to get worse over time, we are just frogs in a pot of cold water, getting warmer and warmer...
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PookaMustard: Don't worry, I'm sure the TPP won't pass.
Why not? If only the "gamer activists" care but the general public doesn't, then we are fjucked.

It is easy for the industry to dismiss the naysayers as only pirates who want to use software without paying for it, and the public believes that. If the "activists" try to explain the real problems (as in that Youtube video), the said public goes "Huh?!? Meh...". Modding, what is that? Can you eat it?

Why should the public care that It would be illegal for me to apply noCD cracks on my old PC games, just in order to run them in Windows 10 (as Windows 10 wont allow SafeDisc or SecuROM protected CD games to work)?

It is the similar indifference and ignorance as e.g. some gamer wondering why on earth someone wouldn't want to play a game on Steam, but wants a DRM-free version instead. Must be just some filthy pirate if he is not totally ok with Steam.
Post edited October 13, 2015 by timppu
Still, the principle matters and having draconian Inqusition-esque laws in a mostly democratic system is just wrong.

And as to enforcement; they can easily implement a DMCA like system of ''flag everything and it'll hopefully include our stuff''. Mods can easily be taken down with DMCA as well; as can stream and video content.

And if DRM circumvention is illegal, they can easily put in something that doxxes you the second you get into the game files so the police can come find you. Don't forget SimShitty's DRM was completely legal. Ie; it was legal to keep an offline compatible game online for no reason. Now they have the right to churn out MMO-esque shit as much as we have to not buy it; but an always online DRM+code invalidation / location detection system in the software can't be too off the charts; tin foil hat be damned.

Even if everything was unenforceable; I'd still rather have it in any way not exist at all.
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timppu: Doesn't e.g. Windows 10 observe already what you are trying to do with your Windows Store applications, including hacking them? And MS has means to disable any such (Windows Store-originated) software on your PC which doesn't comply to their idea of fair use?
That's all Windows 10 can legally do at the moment, check your Windows Store apps and disable them if necessary. Move or copy instructions are none of its business as Windows 10 itself is not covered, just the services.
Why not? If only the "gamer activists" care but the general public doesn't, then we are fjucked.

It is easy for the industry to dismiss the naysayers as only pirates who want to use software without paying for it, and the public believes that. If the "activists" try to explain the real problems (as in that Youtube video), the said public goes "Huh?!? Meh...". Modding, what is that? Can you eat it?

Why should the public care that It would be illegal for me to apply noCD cracks on my old PC games, just in order to run them in Windows 10 (as Windows 10 wont allow SafeDisc or SecuROM protected CD games to work)?
TPP is not only a thing hated by gamer activists, but by everyone concerned about the internet. Isn't it the bill that includes the Fast Lane thingy where certain websites get throttled while others get all the bandwidth to themselves? That is a shared concern between everyone here. So even if the industry dismisses just gamer activists, they can't explain the other activists against the TPP. I was on a group of them for a while via e-mail before I came and made a one clean sweep of my GMail (where they sent me the e-mails) and Outlook and unsub'ed from them.
The EFF has written a fair bit about the TPP, most recently:

Trade Officials Announce Conclusion of TPP&mdash;Now the Real Fight Begins

Users Have Been Betrayed in the Final TPP Deal&mdash;Help Us Tell Washington How You Feel

What We Know So Far About Digital Rights in the Still Secret Final TPP Text

The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared
Yes, the EFF is that organization that I was subscribed to via e-mail. Not all of EFF are made up of gamer activists. That makes their points multi-dimensional in view and stops any industry from using the 'they're just X activists' excuse to run away with their evil deeds.
Post edited October 13, 2015 by PookaMustard
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Shadowstalker16: Still, the principle matters and having draconian Inqusition-esque laws in a mostly democratic system is just wrong.
This is normal. Democracy exists only because of draconian Inquisition-esque laws. Where would democracy be without censorship (even in the form of debunking coupled with ridicule), oppressive laws, mass executions and torments (see French revolution a.k.a. birth of "modern" democracy), oppression of the few against the many, political cooking and alchemy (like turning a NO from a public voting into YES) and so many other little wonders?

People, i hate it to break it to you, i really do, but DEMOCRACY doesn't exist. Never existed, in the first place. Its REAL meaning, to which mostly anyone is totally oblivious too, is a PARADOX, an OXYMORON, a UTOPIA, in and by itself. (Common) People rule? Are you nuts? When? Where?? Don't live with misconceptions within illusionary spheres.
Post edited October 13, 2015 by KiNgBrAdLeY7
Well, I didn't hesitate to contact my stupid government. Stupid being the nicest way to put it.