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It's insane that on a digital storefront your entire account and purchases can be taken away for actions on the forums. Steam has something called a community ban, where you can be banned from the forums but continue to have access to your game library. gog definitely needs to implement something similar if they're going to start cracking down on wrongthink.
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gamefreak2848: It's insane that on a digital storefront your entire account and purchases can be taken away for actions on the forums. Steam has something called a community ban, where you can be banned from the forums but continue to have access to your game library. gog definitely needs to implement something similar if they're going to start cracking down on wrongthink.
They have.
Read the ToS.
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kakgrean: I will not be buying anything from this store anymore and will be issuing chargebacks for all previous purchases if this is not resolved.
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JAAHAS: Apparently GOG has to comply with EU's DSA, so not only will the new TOS stay as is, you probably should look up why it is not the smartest idea to publicly announce that you are planning to abuse the chargeback process.
Changing agreement that was agree upon is highly illegal in Thailand and is punishable by law.
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kakgrean: Changing agreement that was agree upon is highly illegal in Thailand and is punishable by law.
I'm sure that the trade agreement that Poland and Thailand is sure to suffer over this minor inconvenience.

More realistically and perhaps a bit less roundabout of a way, surely you're aware that most countries have signed, ratified, and otherwise honor contracts as writ in the form of treaties and trade agreements?

Now, Poland and Thailand may have never signed a thing, but the European Union, of which Poland is indeed a member state of, has likely entered into some kind of agreement.

Now, if you want to contact the powers/authorities that be of your country so you can pay them 600 bahts to look up a rule that you could have just found on their governmental website yourself, go ahead.

I would start at https://www.mfa.go.th/ and work from there.
I made a feature wish (name: Clarify ToS cases where GOG account is permanently banned)
I ask that they clarify cases where an account ban is possible and to implement some kind of communication ban instead.
Post edited January 26, 2024 by Silolvuli
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kakgrean: Changing agreement that was agree upon is highly illegal in Thailand and is punishable by law.
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ᛞᚨᚱᚹᛟᚾᛞ: I'm sure that the trade agreement that Poland and Thailand is sure to suffer over this minor inconvenience.

More realistically and perhaps a bit less roundabout of a way, surely you're aware that most countries have signed, ratified, and otherwise honor contracts as writ in the form of treaties and trade agreements?

Now, Poland and Thailand may have never signed a thing, but the European Union, of which Poland is indeed a member state of, has likely entered into some kind of agreement.

Now, if you want to contact the powers/authorities that be of your country so you can pay them 600 bahts to look up a rule that you could have just found on their governmental website yourself, go ahead.

I would start at https://www.mfa.go.th/ and work from there.
Steam had to obey Thailand laws, GOG will have too.
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AstralWanderer: Actually, GOG can more comfortably ignore those with large collections, since they're less likely to purchase more. It's the newcomers that GOG needs more.
As I said: They'll be fine.

(ps: And before trying to teach me something, you should first find out what my opinion about this is. There is no need to tell me what was in the TOS and what not)

All this fuzz will go away in a couple of weeks and then life on GOG will go on as it did for the last 15 years without anyone knowing or caring about what's in the TOS and COC.
Peopel are just a bit paraoid, that's all.

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gamefreak2848: It's insane that on a digital storefront your entire account and purchases can be taken away for actions on the forums. Steam has something called a community ban, where you can be banned from the forums but continue to have access to your game library. gog definitely needs to implement something similar if they're going to start cracking down on wrongthink.
You should read the whole thing a bit more closely. That's what will happen first, like on Steam and you also have the eright to protest or whatever. But both GOG and Valve can completely deactivate your account as last measure.
Neither GOG nor Steam will cut you off from your games for being rude. What you do must be very serious or illegal.

If you plan to act in a way that gets you banned permanently, use two accounts.
Post edited January 27, 2024 by neumi5694
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kakgrean: Steam had to obey Thailand laws, GOG will have too.
And without action, this will be nary but sabre rattling. You want to nudge them into action then?
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kakgrean: Changing agreement that was agree upon is highly illegal in Thailand and is punishable by law.
That's quite interesting. You don't happen to know which law specifically, do you?
I find here (in TOS) and suspect threatening Freedom of Speech by "Freedom of speech". Goind moderation to worse following worse guidelines(*). Following worse guidilines of CDProjekt (in their guidilines and else documents pdf's).

* And i see mentioning in TOS another issue. Regarding going moderation to worse. For forum issues its suggest make a Support ticket - i get it right?

GOG if your employer already cant handle real issues in Eupport tickets (month delay to answer) and now itnore Forum thread about spam bots overwhelm this forum - how new (and newer, we already lost Reports year+ ago) going to rix that?
You hire outsource like everyone else did? But they Support going worse with that. They got less time to respond PERSONALLY and they ignore text/eubject of Support tickets.

So moderation would go AGAINST Freedom of Speech ane everything else - store support and spam-defense - 2illngoing to cease to exist.

I get it right?


Nowadays Valve moderation can be abused to report innocent person in anythingm Including Fraud. Which is impossible few years ago (many years, outsource moderation is a thing for many years and anything Volunteers can do is suggest to contact Support - i did get such message after got banned on S.Community next after my ban by Volunteer moderator telling me i did nothing wrong and this is fail of Valve moderation only Support can fix).
Most of them looks like dont know languages they moderate (for example, russian forum outsource moderators bad at both Eng and russian - same issue for EA/Origin moderators and Support... end same for everyone else i suppose).

The only "improvments" i see is usual nowadays standard of telling community what to do and at same time prohibit same thing. Telling Rules that impossible to follow and call it Freedom of Speech. Shot mouths by "Freedom of Speech" is a normality we have today. And im not only about IRL but community regulations and practical moderation too.
Post edited January 27, 2024 by QWEEDDYZ
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Ibn-Dragon: YOU don't dictate to me or anyone else how we choose to express ourselves. As long as that expression doesn't cause harm, which mere "rudeness" doesn't do, then no one should be censored or THREATENED with loss of private property over it.
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ᛞᚨᚱᚹᛟᚾᛞ: Bub, this is a business. They have legal right to throw you out on ya fenders if you've been acting in a mean and manner which is deemed hateful or even obnoxious. Imagine going to a restaurant and yelling obscenities.
the restaurant has to refund you if they are going to throw you out. The right to refuse service goes out the window once money has been exchanged.
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neumi5694: The right for free speech ends where it violates the rights of others.
If YOU express yourself in a way that is hurting me, YOU violate my rights and I report YOU and if YOU do so repeatedly, YOU might get banned for not respecting my rights, the reasoning will just be expressed in different terms, but basically it is about that. YOU not respecting my rights means that YOU get punished.
You are right, I can not dictate how YOU behave, but I have the right to ask others to prevent YOU from hurting me.
How does his right to speak, hurt you in any way? I would say this post alone carries a veiled threat of censorship. You are not respecting their right to express themselves so why should your rights be respected if this is how you treat others?
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neumi5694: If you plan to act in a way that gets you banned permanently, use two accounts.
It is against the rules to have more than one account.

It is also against the rules to suggest having more than one account.
Post edited January 28, 2024 by Magmarock
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Magmarock: the restaurant has to refund you if they are going to throw you out. The right to refuse service goes out the window once money has been exchanged.
Maybe in Australia, but I feel you'd have to have a buttload of moxie to head back inside an establishment after you've already been turned to the door.

Most of the time that tends to end in being chased out again by a manager or someone with a rather large knife.
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Magmarock: the restaurant has to refund you if they are going to throw you out. The right to refuse service goes out the window once money has been exchanged.
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ᛞᚨᚱᚹᛟᚾᛞ: Maybe in Australia, but I feel you'd have to have a buttload of moxie to head back inside an establishment after you've already been turned to the door.

Most of the time that tends to end in being chased out again by a manager or someone with a rather large knife.
In Australia we have consumer rights. Best in the world actually.
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Magmarock: How does his right to speak, hurt you in any way?
Not his right to speak, but his choice of words can. You surely are not one of the persons who say that words can't hurt?

Remember, Trump just got confined to 83 million dollars for using his right to speak against someone. So the right of speech does not outweight everything else.
There are plenty of cases where people got legally punished for what they said.

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Magmarock: It is against the rules to have more than one account.
I guess in one case complying to the rules is considered to be bad and in the other case considered to be good then? Someone doing that already wants to break the rules from the beginning. One more rule break should not matter to that person.

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Magmarock: It is also against the rules to suggest having more than one account.
Ok, thanks for the warning. Won't do it again :)

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Magmarock: the restaurant has to refund you if they are going to throw you out. The right to refuse service goes out the window once money has been exchanged.
I am quite sure that if you go to a buffet restaurant where you have to pay first and then start acting like a sociopath, they can still throw you out and don't have to refund. Try it. Go to a "all you can eat", pay in advance, eat something and then see if you can do whatever you want.

The exchange of money not only obligates the establishment owner to do something, but also the customer. Both parties agree to the contract. He accepted the rules of that establishment when he payed. If he breaks them, it's him breaking the contract.
Post edited January 28, 2024 by neumi5694
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Magmarock: the restaurant has to refund you if they are going to throw you out. The right to refuse service goes out the window once money has been exchanged.
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ᛞᚨᚱᚹᛟᚾᛞ: Maybe in Australia, but I feel you'd have to have a buttload of moxie to head back inside an establishment after you've already been turned to the door.

Most of the time that tends to end in being chased out again by a manager or someone with a rather large knife.
Did you emigrate from North Korea? Or where did you get this fetish for authority?