Posted January 30, 2018
kohlrak
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kohlrak
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Posted January 30, 2018
Magmarock: Yeah and you need them to install software and update your system as well as get the dependencies needed to make your stuff work. How is this not like DRM?
Because you have other methods to get the exact same things. You do have the option of source packages, as well as downloading straight from the developer. As for grabbing updates, it's always optional and updates must be acquired in some way if you want updates. You have numerous options, actually. You can actually get physical CDs for most repos.
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Posted January 30, 2018
Magmarock: Yeah and you need them to install software and update your system as well as get the dependencies needed to make your stuff work. How is this not like DRM?
kohlrak: Because you have other methods to get the exact same things. You do have the option of source packages, as well as downloading straight from the developer. As for grabbing updates, it's always optional and updates must be acquired in some way if you want updates. You have numerous options, actually. You can actually get physical CDs for most repos.
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kohlrak: Because you have other methods to get the exact same things. You do have the option of source packages, as well as downloading straight from the developer.
As for grabbing updates, it's always optional and updates must be acquired in some way if you want updates. You have numerous options, actually. You can actually get physical CDs for most repos.
Magmarock: Okay so how do you install the latest nvidia drivers and VLC without using the package manager or repository? As for grabbing updates, it's always optional and updates must be acquired in some way if you want updates. You have numerous options, actually. You can actually get physical CDs for most repos.
And why is there so many options? Because not every linux distro has a package manager.
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Posted January 30, 2018
Magmarock: Okay so how do you install the latest nvidia drivers and VLC without using the package manager or repository?
kohlrak: Depends on how fast you want it. Drivers usually come through the kernel, though there are exceptions. Depends on your distro. For VLC, The up-to-date source is , while the old versions are [url=http://download.videolan.org/pub/vlc/]here. You can always grab them from git://git.videolan.org/vlc.git, if you don't mind a source repo, but you can also grab them here and all this still assumes you want to compile from source instead of using a pre-built binary. At which point you can get CDs that hold prebuilt binaries, but i recommend the package manager just out of ease, which you can still use without an internet connection if you can get the package files. And why is there so many options? Because not every linux distro has a package manager.
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kohlrak: Depends on how fast you want it. Drivers usually come through the kernel, though there are exceptions. Depends on your distro. For VLC, The up-to-date source is , while the old versions are [url=http://download.videolan.org/pub/vlc/]here. You can always grab them from git://git.videolan.org/vlc.git, if you don't mind a source repo, but you can also grab them here and all this still assumes you want to compile from source instead of using a pre-built binary. At which point you can get CDs that hold prebuilt binaries, but i recommend the package manager just out of ease, which you can still use without an internet connection if you can get the package files.
And why is there so many options? Because not every linux distro has a package manager.
Magmarock: The first link you posted doesn't work. I have never found a way to install drivers outside of the repo. There are some portable apps but they are very unoptimized. Most distros I know of are ubuntu based and thus need a repo to work properly. Unless you know of one I've missed. And why is there so many options? Because not every linux distro has a package manager.
What exactly are you trying to accomplish? Updating a computer that never connects directly to the net? Or are you just trying to push the envelope on what is and isn't considered DRM? If you're trying to figure out how it works, being open source, you can actually read up on it and design your own tools if you don't like the ones available. That's kind of the big point with linux.
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Magmarock: The first link you posted doesn't work. I have never found a way to install drivers outside of the repo. There are some portable apps but they are very unoptimized. Most distros I know of are ubuntu based and thus need a repo to work properly. Unless you know of one I've missed.
kohlrak: The busted links are an issue with the way gog handles the URL tags. Basically, sources can always be compiled, which is actually more optimized than downloading from the repo, which is why there are distros out there where the repos are nothing more than source-code distributers and the updater actually compiles the code on the spot. And, no, they're not ubuntu based, but debian based, since ubuntu was built on debian. My server runs fedora, which is a little too loyal to the FSF, since some drivers aren't available without adding extra 3rd party repos (which you can even make yourself). All a given repo is is a format for which package files can be downloaded, which are open to the degree that you can also download or even make them from third parties and install without a connection (outside of downloading on a gate PC). The packages can also be found on CDs, but if you're not using the internet to any extent, it's kind of hard to find a way to get something up to date. What exactly are you trying to accomplish? Updating a computer that never connects directly to the net? Or are you just trying to push the envelope on what is and isn't considered DRM? If you're trying to figure out how it works, being open source, you can actually read up on it and design your own tools if you don't like the ones available. That's kind of the big point with linux.
1. download a thing
2. copy thing to USB or Hard Drive
3. Click on thing
4. thing works
Microsoft figured this out in 95 and that was 23 years ago why hasn't Linux caught up yet?
kohlrak
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Posted January 30, 2018
kohlrak: The busted links are an issue with the way gog handles the URL tags. Basically, sources can always be compiled, which is actually more optimized than downloading from the repo, which is why there are distros out there where the repos are nothing more than source-code distributers and the updater actually compiles the code on the spot. And, no, they're not ubuntu based, but debian based, since ubuntu was built on debian. My server runs fedora, which is a little too loyal to the FSF, since some drivers aren't available without adding extra 3rd party repos (which you can even make yourself). All a given repo is is a format for which package files can be downloaded, which are open to the degree that you can also download or even make them from third parties and install without a connection (outside of downloading on a gate PC). The packages can also be found on CDs, but if you're not using the internet to any extent, it's kind of hard to find a way to get something up to date.
What exactly are you trying to accomplish? Updating a computer that never connects directly to the net? Or are you just trying to push the envelope on what is and isn't considered DRM? If you're trying to figure out how it works, being open source, you can actually read up on it and design your own tools if you don't like the ones available. That's kind of the big point with linux.
Magmarock: Ubuntu based Debian based you really like splitting hairs don't you? As for what I'm trying to do well I'm an archivist which means I like to store all my software locally and why I like drm free software. As for compiling no I not prepared to do that. Put it this way What exactly are you trying to accomplish? Updating a computer that never connects directly to the net? Or are you just trying to push the envelope on what is and isn't considered DRM? If you're trying to figure out how it works, being open source, you can actually read up on it and design your own tools if you don't like the ones available. That's kind of the big point with linux.
1. download a thing
2. copy thing to USB or Hard Drive
3. Click on thing
4. thing works
Microsoft figured this out in 95 and that was 23 years ago why hasn't Linux caught up yet?
shmerl
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kohlrak: I support FOSS, but i'm OK with straight open source without power of redistribution if the only other alternative is no source.
I'm not OK with it, i.e. it's better than simply closed source, but it's not FOSS either. Magmarock: Yeah and you need them to install software and update your system as well as get the dependencies needed to make your stuff work. How is this not like DRM?
Windows isn't any better, and even worse at this. Try updating your Windows without Internet connection. Good luck with that. Anyway, back on topic of CDPR games for Linux. If you want to continue platform flamewars, make another thread, especially since so far your arguments weren't substantiated with facts.
Post edited January 30, 2018 by shmerl
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kohlrak: I support FOSS, but i'm OK with straight open source without power of redistribution if the only other alternative is no source.
shmerl: I'm not OK with it, i.e. it's better than simply closed source, but it's not FOSS either. Magmarock: Yeah and you need them to install software and update your system as well as get the dependencies needed to make your stuff work. How is this not like DRM?
Windows isn't any better, and even worse at this. Try updating your Windows without Internet connection. Good luck with that. Anyway, back on topic of CDPR games for Linux. If you want to continue platform flamewars, make another thread, especially since so far your arguments weren't substantiated with facts.
shmerl
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Posted January 30, 2018
FOSS doesn't prevent companies from making profit or selling their FOSS based products. It nowhere forbids commercial usage.
So far it was a bunch of "Windows is so much better than Linux", "I'm against Linux", "developers shoulnd't make games for Linux" and so on. IMHO it's enough of that already in this thread. Let's move on to relevant stuff.
So far it was a bunch of "Windows is so much better than Linux", "I'm against Linux", "developers shoulnd't make games for Linux" and so on. IMHO it's enough of that already in this thread. Let's move on to relevant stuff.
Post edited January 30, 2018 by shmerl
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FOSS has some funny distribution rules, however, that basically allow a single person to gate the purchase for others, IIRC. Or i could just be confusing it with GNU GPL v3. But, this opens up the discussion that humans should've had 20 years ago: what are we paying for when we buy software? A license? The software? A key? What? What value does a company retain, and, given the ability to infinitely copy software without an extra manufacturing cost (unlike with books and furniture and such), is it right that we charge for software on a per-copy basis?
We never really answered that as a culture, let alone people.
We never really answered that as a culture, let alone people.
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Magmarock: Ubuntu based Debian based you really like splitting hairs don't you? As for what I'm trying to do well I'm an archivist which means I like to store all my software locally and why I like drm free software. As for compiling no I not prepared to do that. Put it this way
1. download a thing
2. copy thing to USB or Hard Drive
3. Click on thing
4. thing works
Microsoft figured this out in 95 and that was 23 years ago why hasn't Linux caught up yet?
kohlrak: iirc, all package managers keep the packages themselves stored locally by default. And this works for linux, too, actually. The problem is, you just don't know where to find it. And there's commands to help you automate the process. Another thing you can do, if you don't mind these types of archives, is full HD backups (or small partiions since most linux distros are designed to mould a series of partitions together as one). Just back up the system partitions, and since linux tends to detect and automatically use drivers on startup since most drivers are in the kernel, this is viable. 1. download a thing
2. copy thing to USB or Hard Drive
3. Click on thing
4. thing works
Microsoft figured this out in 95 and that was 23 years ago why hasn't Linux caught up yet?
shmerl: Windows isn't any better, and even worse at this. Try updating your Windows without Internet connection. Good luck with that.
Anyway, back on topic of CDPR games for Linux. If you want to continue platform flamewars, make another thread, especially since so far your arguments weren't substantiated with facts.
I have two computers and my main gaming rig is air gaped. That means permanently isolated and offline. This is to keep it fast and reliable. I've had no problem keep it updated. It's a bit of a hassle but again streamlined compared to Linux. You can install KB commutative updates yourself or use tools like WSUS offline updater or even run a batch script. Anyway, back on topic of CDPR games for Linux. If you want to continue platform flamewars, make another thread, especially since so far your arguments weren't substantiated with facts.
Funnily enough this is to do with topic. I'm trying to tell you why Wticher 3 won't come to Linux any time soon but it sink it
Post edited January 30, 2018 by Magmarock