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visconteprimus: In Italy, we can't use Paysafecard: it's way more complicated than others circuits due to the mayor payment service of ours.
We have the biggest example of a Big Brother Government Model in charge.
I've just checked you can buy it in Italy. So you can buy the paysafecard but you can not use it?
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visconteprimus: In Italy, we can't use Paysafecard: it's way more complicated than others circuits due to the mayor payment service of ours.
We have the biggest example of a Big Brother Government Model in charge.
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mihuk: I've just checked you can buy it in Italy. So you can buy the paysafecard but you can not use it?
Without using any mobile device? Can you confirm this?

Because this is not which have been told me.
Post edited February 10, 2020 by visconteprimus
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visconteprimus: Well, call me paranoid, but from my pov the point is: considering how simple is hacking a desktop PC, how can I trust in mobile's security? Smartphones and tablets are more vulnerable: heck, there are several app which can violate your PD remotely.
I think the main intention of the new 2-factor authentication via phone is that it kills off a lot of traditional casual card theft where all you needed was someone's name, address and card number, and could reuse them dozens of times before the card owner realised. Eg, say a website you made a purchase from in the past contained all those details has its database hacked and within minutes yours and thousands / millions of others card details are sold on the dark web. Literally typing those details in online was all it took for fraudsters to buy a multitude of things on a shopping spree, with many stores not even bothering to question different delivery vs billing addresses. (The "CVV2" 3-digit number on the rear of the card is pretty useless vs fraud as online stores do store them (when they shouldn't) and the number doesn't change each time (making it very poor vs fraud prevention).

By requiring something unique (eg, an SMS message with a code that changes each time like how GOG / Steam 2FA logins work) for each time (or at least each major purchase above a certain threshold or after say 3-5x small purchases within a certain time-frame), it drastically reduces the ability for anyone to simply go on a spending spree of high value items with nothing more than knowledge of your card number, name & address. It won't stop anyone hacking your phone / PC, but then the vast majority of hacks don't involve stealing details from individual devices just to obtain one credit card, they're against poorly secured online databases to swipe thousands millions at once. And it does actually reduce fraud, (as does 2-factor authentication, eg, either a phone or something like HSBC's "SecureKey" for logging into a bank or sending money via BACS transfer to a new payee the first time).
Post edited February 10, 2020 by AB2012
There's no rule in the EU that you have to install an app that gives all your data to the government. What you're talking about is like two factor authentication for online transactions. When I want to pay something online my bank sends me a code via SMS. I just have to enter the code and that's it. And... well... my bank already has all my data. Otherwise I wouldn't have an account there. And they already know about all my transactions, since... well... they're the ones where my bank account is. All they (have to) do now is to ask me if its really me who's trying to waste my money oO
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AB2012: I think the main intention of the new 2-factor authentication via phone is that it kills off a lot of traditional casual card theft where all you needed was someone's name, address and card number, and could reuse them dozens of times before the card owner realised. Eg, say a website you made a purchase from in the past contained all those details has its database hacked and within minutes yours and thousands / millions of others card details are sold on the dark web. Literally typing those details in online was all it took for fraudsters to buy a multitude of things on a shopping spree, with many stores not even bothering to question different delivery vs billing addresses. (The "CVV2" 3-digit number on the rear of the card is pretty useless vs fraud as online stores do store them (when they shouldn't) and the number doesn't change each time (making it very poor vs fraud prevention).

By requiring something unique (eg, an SMS message with a code that changes each time like how GOG / Steam 2FA logins work) for each time (or at least each major purchase), it drastically reduces the ability for anyone to simply go on a spending spree of high value items with nothing more than knowledge of your card number, name & address. It won't stop anyone hacking your phone / PC, but then the vast majority of hacks don't involve stealing details from individual devices just to obtain one credit card, they're against poorly secured online databases to swipe thousands millions at once. And it does actually reduce fraud, (as does 2-factor authentication, eg, either a phone or something like HSBC's "SecureKey" for logging into a bank or sending money via BACS transfer to a new payee the first time).
I know the reason behind the whole thing, ok? And I don't want argue with that.

But.

Actually, hackers have started attacking 2FA protocol and... Well, I've read some infos about several "successes" achieved by them.

It's a paradox but all I see is that the more companies and governments increase this kind of measures, the more hackers seem enjoy to make them vain.

Security problems haven't been vanished but thorns in costumers' a$$ have increased!

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real.geizterfahr: There's no rule in the EU that you have to install an app that gives all your data to the government. What you're talking about is like two factor authentication for online transactions. When I want to pay something online my bank sends me a code via SMS. I just have to enter the code and that's it. And... well... my bank already has all my data. Otherwise I wouldn't have an account there. And they already know about all my transactions, since... well... they're the ones where my bank account is. All they (have to) do now is to ask me if its really me who's trying to waste my money oO
And this is mandatory for a new system of rules made by EU.

So... I don't trust them. Simple.

And, as I already said, call me paranoid but still... I don't trust them.
Post edited February 10, 2020 by visconteprimus
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visconteprimus: Actually, hackers have started attacking 2FA protocol and... Well, I've read some infos about several "successes" achieved by them.
This kind of shows that you don't understand what 2FA is or what it's purpose is. To say that hackers have broken 2FA makes no sense. There are many different forms of 2FA, some more secure than others. Using SMS or email for 2FA isn't very secure, but it is only meant as an additional check, not as a bulletproof security protocol. There are many things that are easy to hack in a controlled environment, that are actually pretty difficult to hack in the wild. For someone to "hack" the 2FA for your online transaction would require a very targeted effort.
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visconteprimus: And this is mandatory for a new system of rules made by EU.

So... I don't trust them. Simple.

And, as I already said, call me paranoid but still... I don't trust them.
You don't trust it because... hackers would need your card details AND your phone instead of just your card details?

Seriously. What kind of data could the evil, evil government collect with that new law? They already know about all your bank accounts and how much money you have and spend (tax declaration) and they already know your phone number (you don't even get a prepaid card without identification).

Be paranoid all you want, but... Just be careful not to reach tin foil hat-levels of paranoia.
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mihuk: I've just checked you can buy it in Italy. So you can buy the paysafecard but you can not use it?
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visconteprimus: Without using any mobile device? Can you confirm this?

Because this is not which have been told me.
You can check on paysafecard.com where in Italy can you buy the card.
I don't know how it is in your country but last time I bought a game on GOG it was 31.01.2020 in Germany. I didn't have to provide any additional informations but only the code I get when i bought the card and I payed for it with cash.
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visconteprimus: Actually, hackers have started attacking 2FA protocol and... Well, I've read some infos about several "successes" achieved by them.
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firstpastthepost: This kind of shows that you don't understand what 2FA is or what it's purpose is. To say that hackers have broken 2FA makes no sense. There are many different forms of 2FA, some more secure than others. Using SMS or email for 2FA isn't very secure, but it is only meant as an additional check, not as a bulletproof security protocol. There are many things that are easy to hack in a controlled environment, that are actually pretty difficult to hack in the wild. For someone to "hack" the 2FA for your online transaction would require a very targeted effort.
Well, what I've learned about computer technology in my life (till now) is we are talking about one of the rarest discipline where if you can imagine it, you can do it. Literally.

So, even for your opinion there is no assurance: you say "hack in the wild" is pretty difficult? I say it's only a matter of time will be easier.
With Revolut for example you can create a virtual card for every transaction.
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visconteprimus: First of all, pardon me for my bad English.

So, with theese new rules (made in EU) about "authentication via mobile device" (imo, a real red carpet for hacking), plus the new stupid initiative by Valve, which is litterally forcing its costumers to give their strictily PD due to some non-yet-explained reasons about "taxes and/or region hopping" (not a single official statement from Steam, yet), Steam Wallet funds included, the situation is bad and heavy at now.

Really, I don't get why making so hard Players' life but anyway...

My question is simple.

Will GOG ever introduce its own Prepaid Cards/Codes?
Without unneccessary requests about consumers' PD, I mean: I get the thing to select the region but no way I'm going to tell to a private company where is my home or which is my phone number. Nor my name.

So, could anyone tell me something about? I'm just curious. :)

Thanks
To give you an answer I just need your legal name, date of birth, telephone, address, monthly earnings and blood type. I promise i wont do anything nefarious or sinister with it.
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visconteprimus: First of all, pardon me for my bad English.

So, with theese new rules (made in EU) about "authentication via mobile device" (imo, a real red carpet for hacking), plus the new stupid initiative by Valve, which is litterally forcing its costumers to give their strictily PD due to some non-yet-explained reasons about "taxes and/or region hopping" (not a single official statement from Steam, yet), Steam Wallet funds included, the situation is bad and heavy at now.

Really, I don't get why making so hard Players' life but anyway...

My question is simple.

Will GOG ever introduce its own Prepaid Cards/Codes?
Without unneccessary requests about consumers' PD, I mean: I get the thing to select the region but no way I'm going to tell to a private company where is my home or which is my phone number. Nor my name.

So, could anyone tell me something about? I'm just curious. :)

Thanks
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paladin181: To give you an answer I just need your legal name, date of birth, telephone, address, monthly earnings and blood type. I promise i wont do anything nefarious or sinister with it.
Lol!
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visconteprimus: And this is mandatory for a new system of rules made by EU.

So... I don't trust them. Simple.

And, as I already said, call me paranoid but still... I don't trust them.
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real.geizterfahr: You don't trust it because... hackers would need your card details AND your phone instead of just your card details?

Seriously. What kind of data could the evil, evil government collect with that new law? They already know about all your bank accounts and how much money you have and spend (tax declaration) and they already know your phone number (you don't even get a prepaid card without identification).

Be paranoid all you want, but... Just be careful not to reach tin foil hat-levels of paranoia.
You say that, but did you know that Pokémon Go was Google pretending to not be Google?
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real.geizterfahr: You don't trust it because... hackers would need your card details AND your phone instead of just your card details?

Seriously. What kind of data could the evil, evil government collect with that new law? They already know about all your bank accounts and how much money you have and spend (tax declaration) and they already know your phone number (you don't even get a prepaid card without identification).

Be paranoid all you want, but... Just be careful not to reach tin foil hat-levels of paranoia.
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richlind33: You say that, but did you know that Pokémon Go was Google pretending to not be Google?
They didn't do a very good job then. They just knocked the ogle off the end and though no one would notice.
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richlind33: You say that, but did you know that Pokémon Go was Google pretending to not be Google?
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firstpastthepost: They didn't do a very good job then. They just knocked the ogle off the end and though no one would notice.
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