People to tend to look for an 'interaction vacuum', at least here on GOG.

*shrug*

Well they seem to be a long way off a solid wagon from here. Sure, in the parallel universe where you and gogtrial aren't under suspicion maybe they are in danger, but not here and now.

Sorry, I meant ZFR. For some reason I keep thinking LFR, and I'm not sure where that came from.

Gogtrial might be a confused neutral as well. I remember how he politely asked ZFR to check Pooka's and Carradice's theory on me "faking" my inexperienced gameplay:
The now killer Joe answered then:
"aw whaattt I've got to read a post that I already responded to again??

okay I found the post I read it. No. I can't believe here Cadaver understands that it is a joke, and has decided to pretend that he sees no meaning in it in order to encourage people to think that he is town.
I don't think Carradice' and SirP's humour is as inclusive as they think it is. I had to put effort in to understand what they were doing, and I have the advantage of knowing the players and the format."
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/the_shining_gog_mafia_65_return_to_the_stanley_hotel/post272
No I can't rule them out. And he vote Microfish and Cadaver (in that order). Early votes / unvotes shouldn't be taking lightly.
SirPrimalform was my suspect on "out of thin air" basis since the beginning, he still is, he said a few curious things before, but making him the best possible suspect is a bit too much from my perspective.
Me too, so he is really might be a neutral, or a careful scum, or even a nervous town (in that order from my perspective). I don't believe that the hammering was intentional, the reaction to my theory on the other hand was quite something (also a double post).
Vote on Microfish is very peculiar:
My notion to discuss the matter was ignored though (380). I can't say that Microfish was in real danger, it may mean something or be a pure coincidence. I don't like how gogtrial voted Microfish after AFP's vote, same approach for Cadaver.
Vote on me was reasonable, I expected more people to vote on me. Probably mafia hoped to bring more people on me but seeing that no one was really interested also lost an interest. Or perhaps they know that lynching the newbie is not their first priority.

I question why Joe would ever think I was trying to be inclusive... but I'm also not sure which things he's referring to. Given that the post he was replying to was talking about Pooka and Carradice, is it possible he meant to type Pooka rather than SPF?

Hmm, you're right. I took it as gogtrial simply not getting the joke and poked fun at him for it but didn't press further. You think maybe his misunderstanding was contrived?

Strange that it got your attention. I also find it odd when I first read it, but for some reason I decided that he meant exactly you as in most other situations where a pair of ZFR and SPF placing their jokes full with sophisticated humour (with letter "u").

Even if it was a typo and he meant the other person does it change anything?

Contrived? It might of course. What I think, it was a "nervous reaction" from gogtrial. In both cases it's a bit suspicious.

Well for what it's worth I took your buying into the code thing to be genuine. Did you ever decode my message by the way?

In that instance what did he have to be nervous about? Unless you're suggesting that both gogtrial and Microfish are buddies and gogtrial thought Microfish had made a slip and was trying to get ahead of it to put some distance between them?

After so much discussion about accidental hammering do you think that anyone would do it? Put the last vote would be the same as put a plate with sign "I'm a scum" on, literally a death sentence.

And to be honest GR's sudden vote make me feel uncomfortable. What was the point to do it now?

I think everyone thought so, but some tried softly put me in the wagon with no results. Were they mafia? They could be, yet again why would the mafia kill me first. Does it mean that the wagon initiators were not mafia? Maybe, or they just find themselves a more suitable target since I posted rarely on Day 1.
What message are you referring to, about time wasting? Or was there some other message? If it's the right one, well actually it was cracked 2 times (or maybe more even) in this game before I realized what it was ;)

I don't think it was a slip, and I have no idea how scum day chat works, no one was too eager to explain it to me for... reasons.
I think that gogtrial misinterpreted Microfish's post, acted a bit aggressively with a vote, the "I'm not even aware of who was the NK target!" was a bit off from my point of view, all of it was done out of guilt. Again, that's how I feel it.
Was it the guilt of mistakes (hammering / double post) and a fear of bringing too much attention, or was it a guilt for failing on his anti-town faction (mafia or neutral) I have no idea.

I wasn't asking if you thought it was a slip, just whether it's possible gogtrial thought it was. But you kind of answer all my questions after that. Day chat for mafia is vanishingly uncommon on GOG, but the last game had it. I've been told it's much more common in other mafia communities, and it's possible that Lift thought it was a great idea and incorporated it. But there's no real point in speculating one way or the other which is why no one is bothering to talk about it. We'll find out at the end.

Whoops, separated out the quote and everything and then forgot to reply.

Yeah, that's the one I meant. I couldn't remember whether you actually saw it or if you just took people's word for it being a waste of time. ;P

In the communities I've played, not having day chat was the exception rather than the rule.

Thanks for confirming. But I think all that really tells us is that it is a waste of time to make any assumptions or speculate about it. We'll find out soon enough.

I think GOG Mafia suffers from something analogous to the founder effect. That is to say that the game was introduced here by one person and our house style is mostly based on that game as a template of what is considered "normal".

Purposely, no. Accidentally? Why not? GR's vote was on a new page.

Only if gogtrial is Town. Do you know anything?

I'm bound to get shit for this again, but Gogtrial just went offline while at L-1.

Seriously, it's too unreliable to base anything on. Apart from anything else, starting your computer with Galaxy running in the background is enough to appear online. It's entirely possible that gogtrial is too busy to visit the site but has his computer on for work.

Real Life Mafia though, on which Forum Mafia is based never has Day Chat. So ours is Orthodox Mafia whiole other places use Reformed Mafia.