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CharlesGrey: It's arguably even more important that customers learned their lesson. If most gamers keep pre-ordering or buying overpriced AAA titles on Day 1, rather than waiting for some reviews, then there's no reason for the big publishers to change anything about their modus operandi. :/
I couldn't agree more and that is why I created a discussion thread about it here.
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stg83: It does seem to have had some impact, The Witcher 3 was delayed a few months for polish, then GTA V is delayed by a couple of months for the same reason and most recently the release of Resident Evil Revelations 2 has been delayed by one week for "polishing work and gameplay optimization". Ofcourse that doesn't guarantee anything yet as Watch Dogs was delayed but still had a bad launch and then DriveClub for PS4 was a disaster as well. I guess we'll find out when these games launch to see if any lessons were learned by developers and publishers from last year.
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CharlesGrey: It's arguably even more important that customers learned their lesson. If most gamers keep pre-ordering or buying overpriced AAA titles on Day 1, rather than waiting for some reviews, then there's no reason for the big publishers to change anything about their modus operandi. :/
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gunsynd: No,It will only get worse.Nothing we can say or do will make much difference.
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CharlesGrey: As I just implied, not buying their shit will make a difference. But of course that only works if a major portion of the customer base adjusts their buying behavior.

Perhaps, as they say, it will have to get even worse, before it can get better.
Not buying is correct but to get people to stop buying(boycott) is like trying to win Lotto.
This doesn't matter, players will continue to buy that garbage and you will even see people defending, we live in a world where the publishers already brainwashed gamers into defending them, they don't need pr anymore.
How many times have you seen something like this "Hey guys, the game is now working and it's great, buy it, the devs deserve it" when the game was broken at launch, it was broken for 2~3 months (or even more) and the compensation is really something small that used to be free (dlc's).
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gunsynd: Not buying is correct but to get people to stop buying(boycott) is like trying to win Lotto.
Boycott seems like such a heavy and overused term. Personally, I'm just not willing to spend good money on bullshit -- that's all there is to it.

But yeah, people have varying thresholds of what they are willing to put up with, regarding DRM, game quality or ridiculous pricing. Hence why I mentioned that perhaps things will have to get even worse, before the majority of gamers will no longer put up with it. On the other hand, most of the major publishers aren't stupid -- they know quite well what they can get away with, and how far they can push their consumers. They gradually keep adding more bullshit to their products and business strategies, slow enough so people get used to it.

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Cyraxpt: How many times have you seen something like this "Hey guys, the game is now working and it's great, buy it, the devs deserve it" when the game was broken at launch, it was broken for 2~3 months (or even more) and the compensation is really something small that used to be free (dlc's).
Part of that is probably gamers trying to defend their own ( expensive ) purchases. If a game is junk, that would mean they made a bad purchase and wasted their money. So by defending the game, they're also defending themselves, rather than being objective about it.
Post edited January 15, 2015 by CharlesGrey
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gunsynd: Not buying is correct but to get people to stop buying(boycott) is like trying to win Lotto.
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CharlesGrey: Boycott seems like such a heavy and overused term. Personally, I'm just not willing to spend good money on bullshit -- that's all there is to it.

But yeah, people have varying thresholds of what they are willing to put up with, regarding DRM, game quality or ridiculous pricing. Hence why I mentioned that perhaps things will have to get even worse, before the majority of gamers will no longer put up with it. On the other hand, most of the major publishers aren't stupid -- they know quite well what they can get away with, and how far they can push their consumers. They gradually keep adding more bullshit to their products and business strategies, slow enough so people get used to it.
Minority goes nowhere,just gets labeled whingers.
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CharlesGrey: Part of that is probably gamers trying to defend their own ( expensive ) purchases. If a game is junk, that would mean they made a bad purchase and wasted their money. So by defending the game, they're also defending themselves, rather than being objective about it.
I can understand that (although i don't agree) but i just don't understand the need of making others buy it, it's not defending their bad purchase, it's basically doing free pr.

Yesterday i was reading a thread on neogaf about Driveclub and people were actually offending those who were still waiting for the promised psn edition (let me remind or inform that it was the version that was anounced to divert the attention that multiplayer was going to be a paid feature), i mean, how does this work:

- Yeah, buy it, give them money, they deserve it.
- FUCK YOU, YOU DESERVE NOTHING, BUY THE GAME.

That's not defending their purchase, i could just say "play the demo, the game is great" but no, they really WANTED people to pay for it. It blows my mind, especially considering that the game was a broken mess for months.
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Cyraxpt: I can understand that (although i don't agree) but i just don't understand the need of making others buy it, it's not defending their bad purchase, it's basically doing free pr.

Yesterday i was reading a thread on neogaf about Driveclub and people were actually offending those who were still waiting for the promised psn edition (let me remind or inform that it was the version that was anounced to divert the attention that multiplayer was going to be a paid feature), i mean, how does this work:

- Yeah, buy it, give them money, they deserve it.
- FUCK YOU, YOU DESERVE NOTHING, BUY THE GAME.

That's not defending their purchase, i could just say "play the demo, the game is great" but no, they really WANTED people to pay for it. It blows my mind, especially considering that the game was a broken mess for months.
I guess there's always the chance that they do actually like a game, even if it is objectively crap. Maybe they just have different tastes, or lower quality standards, I don't know. :P