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Magnitus: - You can do most things on Linux without the command line now, but not everything.
For example, when I download the GOG linux installer, I have to:

- chmod +x <the installer>
- ./<the installer>
It really doesn't help that GOG has steadfastly refused to update their install scripts in over a decade, nor the installer. We could be missing on delta installs for all we know.
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Abishia: I used some logic why i stated that follows .......
I don't see the use of any logic at all, and doubt whether anything you stated, server elements aside, is actually true ... but I guess time will tell.

I'm not against Linux, have used it myself, have collected all Linux versions of the games I own.

I just believe in being a realist and recognizing how most PC users behave, and what trouble they are prepared to go to and how reluctant they are to change.

I've also been listening to all the hoo ha about Linux for decades. It has its place ... mostly amongst the Nerdy community and servers etc. Nothing will change unless something major happens.

Every now and then, someone like yourself gets overly excited about Linux.

If Linux were a serious contender against Microsoft Windows, I'd be using it permanently myself. It still has a long way to go, mostly due to the mindset behind it ... there is a lack of true understanding there.

Despite Windows' faults and flaws, and there are many, it still serves the general Joe and Jane better ... and certainly that's how they perceive it.

I would be very happy to be proved wrong.

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vv221: Linux has been a better platform than Windows to run games on for more than 10 years already ;P
But sadly this is not how you become the dominant actor on a market.
From all I know that simply isn't true.
If it were true, I'd be using it myself.

It might be true for the odd game, but that's about it.

There is still very mixed support from developers for Linux. I wish it were otherwise.
Post edited January 26, 2021 by Timboli
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Orkhepaj: btw half of the servers use win :P
Not in this world, no. Windows is almost absent in Internet-facing servers.
This is not new by the way, Linux has been dominating this market almost from the beginning.

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vv221: Linux has been a better platform than Windows to run games on for more than 10 years already ;P
But sadly this is not how you become the dominant actor on a market.
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Timboli: From all I know that simply isn't true.
If it were true, I'd be using it myself.

It might be true for the odd game, but that's about it.
So you are not using Linux, but you are telling me that I am wrong about how it actually works?
And I am not talking about "the odd game", I already tested more than 1200 commercial games (not counting open-source ones) on my Debian Sid.
Post edited January 26, 2021 by vv221
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vv221: So you are not using Linux, but you are telling me that I am wrong about how it actually works?
I am only disputing your claim it is better.
From all I have ever heard, the two OS are much of a muchness when it comes to most games. A few games may be better, but many are worse.

I actually started a thread here over a year ago, asking for advice on what OS was better to use for my games, and the general consensus came back, with what I said above. Of course there were a few Linux and Windows fanboys and fangirls who said otherwise, but the majority stated what I wrote ... many of them Linux users/gamers ... they said there's not much in it ... roll the dice ... toss a coin.
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Orkhepaj: so is your linux running a server or not?
where did i say linux servers are wrong? it just doesn't matter for us end users if our os is the same as the servers os

btw half of the servers use win :P
Statistics vary depending on what source you take, but here are some indisputable facts:
- Aws runs on Linux
- Google runs on Linux
- Last time I checked, Wall Street was running on Linux
- NASA runs on Linux
- CERN runs on Linux
- All top 500 supercomputers run on Linux

Additionally, many sources say an overwelming majority of the top 1 million websites use Linux and what I have seen so far leads credence to that claim: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux

All companies I worked at so far used Linux for their servers (including 3 that had very serious institutional clients).

Also, in the ever expanding open-source ecosystem, Windows is a second-class citizen to Linux.

But yeah, I'll throw you a bone: I'm sure Windows' share increases once you include all the low traffic mom and pops websites.

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Darvond: It really doesn't help that GOG has steadfastly refused to update their install scripts in over a decade, nor the installer. We could be missing on delta installs for all we know.
I don't tend to reinstall many games once I completed them, but I can at least confirm that they've kept the Terraria Linux installer up to date :P.

My educated guess is that the frequency of updates in terms of game content depends on the game studio that created the game.

But yeah, the format of the install script, while serviceable for your typical command line veteran is not great for a more novice user.
Post edited January 26, 2021 by Magnitus
Love how the fanboys come with supercomputers and servers like we use those for gaming .

And still linux can't make more than 2% of gamers :) that's how good it is for gaming. And this is what this topic is all about. Not even gog cares about linux.

Just accept the fact, linux is not good for gaming and won't be good for years to come.
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Orkhepaj: And still linux can't make more than 2% of gamers :) that's how good it is for gaming. And this is what this topic is all about. Not even gog cares about linux.

Just accept the fact, linux is not good for gaming and won't be good for years to come.
This is utter nonsense. You haven't provided any rational arguments to back that up, except saying that 'not many people use Linux, so it must be bad'.

The reasons more people haven't switched to Linux are because Windows comes packaged with new PCs and because it's what more people already know (i.e. it cornered the market first), not because it is actually better.
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Orkhepaj: Love how the fanboys come with supercomputers and servers like we use those for gaming .

And still linux can't make more than 2% of gamers :) that's how good it is for gaming. And this is what this topic is all about. Not even gog cares about linux.

Just accept the fact, linux is not good for gaming and won't be good for years to come.
Of course I'm a Linux fan, its the bread and butter of my livelihood (my career focus are networked services which tend to require servers which tend to be dominated by Linux)

I had to switch from being primarily a Windows developer to a Linux developer circa 2009 if I wanted to make best use of the tools I wanted to use (Python with an Apache Server at the time, but there have been tons of other tools afterwards that pretty much ratified my os choice). I didn't start there, I was converted by empirical necessity.

I won't dispute that Windows currently gives a better desktop experience to most users given that their needs is that they just want to run their software with the least possible amount of complexity attached to it (even if they have to sacrifice some freedoms to do so).

However, I will fact-check you if you claim that Linux or the internet are not extremely important.
Post edited January 27, 2021 by Magnitus
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Orkhepaj: And still linux can't make more than 2% of gamers :) that's how good it is for gaming. And this is what this topic is all about. Not even gog cares about linux.

Just accept the fact, linux is not good for gaming and won't be good for years to come.
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Time4Tea: This is utter nonsense. You haven't provided any rational arguments to back that up, except saying that 'not many people use Linux, so it must be bad'.

The reasons more people haven't switched to Linux are because Windows comes packaged with new PCs and because it's what more people already know (i.e. it cornered the market first), not because it is actually better.
win usage is that high cause it is better that's all
nothing keeps its marketshare if it is not better , just look at netscape or ie explorer both had majority and then lost because other browsers were better
if linux would be a better desktop more people would switch to it maybe slowly but still would switch
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Orkhepaj: Love how the fanboys come with supercomputers and servers like we use those for gaming .

And still linux can't make more than 2% of gamers :) that's how good it is for gaming. And this is what this topic is all about. Not even gog cares about linux.

Just accept the fact, linux is not good for gaming and won't be good for years to come.
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Magnitus: Of course I'm a Linux fan, its the bread and butter of my livelihood (my career focus are networked services which tend to require servers which tend to be dominated by Linux)

I had to switch from being primarily a Windows developer to a Linux developer circa 2009 if I wanted to make best use of the tools I wanted to use (Python with an Apache Server at the time, but there have been tons of other tools afterwards that pretty much ratified my os choice). I didn't start there, I was converted by empirical necessity.

I won't dispute that Windows currently gives a better desktop experience to most users given that their needs is that they just want to run their software with the least possible amount of complexity attached to it (even if they have to sacrifice some freedoms to do so).

However, I will fact-check you if you claim that Linux or the internet are not extremely important.
ive never said linux isnt important , just it is not a better os for gaming than win
yes most users just want to play browser or use apps with the minimal effort involved to make them run well, and that's where win is better
Post edited January 27, 2021 by Orkhepaj
so many think Linux is like few years back really it blows my mind and i have been using Linux for 2 day's now

playing a windows game is even more easy then playing it on windows (no joke)
will create a you-tube movie about how easy it is to launch a windows game within Linux and how smooth it runs.
just need to figure out how i gonna fraps the content without losing FPS (i not have that heavy computer RTX2060 Super)
likely gonna use a external source like a Tablet or something

granted 2 technologies are missing
DLSS
Ray Tracing
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Abishia: so many think Linux is like few years back really it blows my mind and i have been using Linux for 2 day's now

playing a windows game is even more easy then playing it on windows (no joke)
will create a you-tube movie about how easy it is to launch a windows game within Linux and how smooth it runs.
just need to figure out how i gonna fraps the content without losing FPS (i not have that heavy computer RTX2060 Super)
likely gonna use a external source like a Tablet or something

granted 2 technologies are missing
DLSS
Ray Tracing
yes this is a joke , how is it more easy than to install store client click on install and then play?:O
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Orkhepaj: yes this is a joke , how is it more easy than to install store client click on install and then play?:O
Last time I checked, it works like this on any Operating System, be it Windows, Linux or OSX.
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Abishia: so many think Linux is like few years back really it blows my mind and i have been using Linux for 2 day's now

playing a windows game is even more easy then playing it on windows (no joke)
will create a you-tube movie about how easy it is to launch a windows game within Linux and how smooth it runs.
just need to figure out how i gonna fraps the content without losing FPS (i not have that heavy computer RTX2060 Super)
likely gonna use a external source like a Tablet or something

granted 2 technologies are missing
DLSS
Ray Tracing
Granted, you might have better luck using OBS instead of Fraps, given the latter has been moribund for some time while the former is getting updates to this very day.
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Magnitus: Statistics vary depending on what source you take, but here are some indisputable facts:
- Aws runs on Linux
- Google runs on Linux
- Last time I checked, Wall Street was running on Linux
- NASA runs on Linux
- CERN runs on Linux
- All top 500 supercomputers run on Linux

Additionally, many sources say an overwelming majority of the top 1 million websites use Linux and what I have seen so far leads credence to that claim: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux

All companies I worked at so far used Linux for their servers (including 3 that had very serious institutional clients).

Also, in the ever expanding open-source ecosystem, Windows is a second-class citizen to Linux.
Also, as of 2019 Linux is more common than Windows on Microsoft's Azure.
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Orkhepaj: yes this is a joke , how is it more easy than to install store client click on install and then play?:O
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Dark_art_: Last time I checked, it works like this on any Operating System, be it Windows, Linux or OSX.
yes , his claim was , it is even easier than that on linux , and i would like to how is that possible
looks like he just lied about that too