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ElTerprise: Well i don't have a problem with any of the TNG movies. Granted there are episodes which are better than the movies - with the exception of First Contact imho - which is clearly the best but they are all quite entertaining. But atleast Generations and Insurrection aren't as bad as many people think imho - although the way the manual control of the Enterprise is handled in Insurrection is rather silly.
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Elmofongo: Would you argue some of the movie could have been just a very long episode of TNG?

Insurrection feels more like an Episode with a big budget than a movie.

I would argue Star Trek the motion picture could be considered the "Final Episode" of the TOS show than a movie. The real TOS movies started with Wrath of Khan.
In some way, yes
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Elmofongo: I am worried about buying Voyeger. Considered to be the worst Star Trek series ever. (Probably because it could live up to how great the last show was.) Looking at Voyeger at a first glance it feels like a step down from Deep Space 9. Just more TNG with characters no one cares for.
Well, with how good the other series were, being worst Star Trek series does not mean it's a bad. Again, I think I've already talked about it before, so just to sum up quickly - while weaker than others, it's still well worth watching. In fact, I'm about to start re-watching it today :) There are plenty of good, even some truly great, episodes there, and interesting characters like the Doctor, Seven of Nine or Tuvok. As long as you don't expect to be blown away, and just want some good, Treky entertainment you'll be fine. I remember the last two seasons being much weaker, and I think that might have coloured many people's view of the whole series.

Again, it's interesting how the popular opinion shifted - Voyager used to be very well liked, I even remember it being chosen as the best series of them all by readers of one of the Star Trek monthly magazines years back, and Enterprise used to be absolutely hated, but now much more people seem to agree with me that it's actually pretty good.
I really liked Enterprise. I liked the back to the basics concept. I didn't like how they tried to save the ratings with that time-travel nonsense, but to me it showed great promise. I always remembered Voyager as a bone of contention. Personally, I thought it was a waste. The number of episodes where they "could've gone home sooner" but couldn't leave some conflict behind reminded me of Gilligan's Island and all the times they "almost" got off the island...

In other words, you'd get home, but we can't because the series would end...
Post edited June 03, 2015 by RWarehall
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Elmofongo: I am worried about buying Voyeger. Considered to be the worst Star Trek series ever. (Probably because it could live up to how great the last show was.) Looking at Voyeger at a first glance it feels like a step down from Deep Space 9. Just more TNG with characters no one cares for.
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Breja: Well, with how good the other series were, being worst Star Trek series does not mean it's a bad. Again, I think I've already talked about it before, so just to sum up quickly - while weaker than others, it's still well worth watching. In fact, I'm about to start re-watching it today :) There are plenty of good, even some truly great, episodes there, and interesting characters like the Doctor, Seven of Nine or Tuvok. As long as you don't expect to be blown away, and just want some good, Treky entertainment you'll be fine. I remember the last two seasons being much weaker, and I think that might have coloured many people's view of the whole series.

Again, it's interesting how the popular opinion shifted - Voyager used to be very well liked, I even remember it being chosen as the best series of them all by readers of one of the Star Trek monthly magazines years back, and Enterprise used to be absolutely hated, but now much more people seem to agree with me that it's actually pretty good.
What do you think of Wesley Crusher as a character?
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Elmofongo: What do you think of Wesley Crusher as a character?
Good idea wasted on mostly poor writing or the writers ignoring what's interesting about him. I really think that there was potential to that character. He had a interesting connection to Picard's past, and he was our first chance of seeing a family relationship like this before Sisko and his son got it right. But instead of focusing on that, they mostly focused on him being a child genious, and his character was never written in a very likeable fashion. Also, I don't want to harp on this, as Wheaton does seem like an ok guy, but he isn't exactly a great actor, and definately wasn't one back then.

He did get some good episodes however, like the Final Mission and First Duty.
Post edited June 03, 2015 by Breja
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Elmofongo: What do you think of Wesley Crusher as a character?
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Breja: Good idea wasted on mostly poor writing or the writers ignoring what's interesting about him. I really think that there was potential to that character. He had a interesting connection to Picard's past, and he was our first chance of seeing a family relationship like this before Sisko and his son got it right. But instead of focusing on that, they mostly focused on him being a child genious, and his character was never written in a very likeable fashion. Also, I don't want to harp on this, as Wheaton does seem like an ok guy, but he isn't exactly a great actor, and definately wasn't one back then.

He did get some good episodes however, like the Final Mission and First Duty.
Does he stay in the entire series?

Also currently watching this episode dedicated to hi Worf made me lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu5iKvgzpjk
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Elmofongo: What do you think of Wesley Crusher as a character?
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Breja: Good idea wasted on mostly poor writing or the writers ignoring what's interesting about him. I really think that there was potential to that character. He had a interesting connection to Picard's past, and he was our first chance of seeing a family relationship like this before Sisko and his son got it right. But instead of focusing on that, they mostly focused on him being a child genious, and his character was never written in a very likeable fashion. Also, I don't want to harp on this, as Wheaton does seem like an ok guy, but he isn't exactly a great actor, and definately wasn't one back then.

He did get some good episodes however, like the Final Mission and First Duty.
OK this episode, "Time Squared" I just feel like nothing has been accomplished.

This episode feels like a road bump than a progression of the series.

Its the episode where the enterprise and Picard are in a Time Loop.
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Elmofongo: Does he stay in the entire series?

Also currently watching this episode dedicated to hi Worf made me lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu5iKvgzpjk
no thankfully not
wesley buggers off somewhere in season 3 he comes back once or twice but he will never be the focus or the deus ex machina wunderkind any more

and i liked times squared but keep in mind it was supposed to lead in to Q who ?
and that idea was nixed by rodden berry but the episodes was still gone forward with because of the strike ( most likely ) which is why the episode feels a bit ...superfluous

http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Time_Squared

i like it because it is a picard show case and has the unusual idea of time jumping just a few hours not years decades or centuries

season 2 even recycles old phase 2 scripts because of the strike
Post edited June 04, 2015 by snowkatt
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Elmofongo: Does he stay in the entire series?

Also currently watching this episode dedicated to hi Worf made me lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu5iKvgzpjk
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snowkatt: no thankfully not
wesley buggers off somewhere in season 3 he comes back once or twice but he will never be the focus or the deus ex machina wunderkind any more
The only decent episode of him so far was The Dauphin.

Even then its times like this I wish I was the character in the show. Everytime I see a young person from 17 to 22 years of age I feel I can act better than these other young adult actors.
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Elmofongo: The only decent episode of him so far was The Dauphin.

Even then its times like this I wish I was the character in the show. Everytime I see a young person from 17 to 22 years of age I feel I can act better than these other young adult actors.
lower decks is the best episode that show cases ensigns and the not name cast
but you will have to wait till season 7 for that

personally i like
where silence has lease
elementary dear data
unnatural selection
contagion
the royale
time squared
Q who
samaritan snare
up the long ladder
peak performance
and even shades of gray from season 2

so about half then

the measure of a man is an exemplary episode
the best of the best of what star trek as a whole has to offer
the best of season 2 certainly
and one of the best of tng

but its not a personal favorite of mine
even though its a tour de force for spiner and stewart in particular

but considering what i like about season 2 my opinion might be suspect ;p
Post edited June 04, 2015 by snowkatt
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Elmofongo: The only decent episode of him so far was The Dauphin.

Even then its times like this I wish I was the character in the show. Everytime I see a young person from 17 to 22 years of age I feel I can act better than these other young adult actors.
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snowkatt: lower decks is the best episode that show cases ensigns and the not name cast
but you will have to wait till season 2 for that
I am watching season 2. You mean after?
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Elmofongo: I am watching season 2. You mean after?
i edited ( and expanded) the post your quoting

lower decks is from season 7 ( and in there you will also encounter sub rosa URGH )
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Elmofongo: The only decent episode of him so far was The Dauphin.

Even then its times like this I wish I was the character in the show. Everytime I see a young person from 17 to 22 years of age I feel I can act better than these other young adult actors.
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snowkatt: lower decks is the best episode that show cases ensigns and the not name cast
but you will have to wait till season 7 for that

personally i like
where silence has lease
elementary dear data
unnatural selection
contagion
the royale
time squared
Q who
samaritan snare
up the long ladder
peak performance
and even shades of gray from season 2

so about half then

the measure of a man is an exemplary episode
the best of the best of what star trek as a whole has to offer
the best of season 2 certainly
and one of the best of tng

but its not a personal favorite of mine
even though its a tour de force for spiner and stewart in particular

but considering what i like about season 2 my opinion might be suspect ;p
The Royale story was intersting, but eh I never liked these episodes that take place in these past eras of earth. I came here to see a Sci Fi show not a gangster show.

Measure of the Man I feel already told me what I know when it comes to sentiance and humanity in Robotics. I kinda thought Blade Runner already established it. But the episode was done well.

I REALLY, REALLY CANNOT WAIT TO SEE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS

It better live up to its hype. I will be honest I have seen it before on the BBC on time but never saw it in it's entirety.
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Elmofongo: The Royale story was intersting, but eh I never liked these episodes that take place in these past eras of earth. I came here to see a Sci Fi show not a gangster show.

Measure of the Man I feel already told me what I know when it comes to sentiance and humanity in Robotics. I kinda thought Blade Runner already established it. But the episode was done well.

I REALLY, REALLY CANNOT WAIT TO SEE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS

It better live up to its hype. I will be honest I have seen it before on the BBC on time but never saw it in it's entirety.
the royale doesnt really take place in the past its a recreation of a fictional past
a dime store novel come to life
i thougth the conceit was interesting

and its usually my default episode when i want tio watch star trek but cant make my mind up i tend to make a beeline for the royale

yeah but blade runner is not star trek and measure of a man is star trek at its best
also the androids in blade runner are NOT robots
they are gene engineerd clones they are still basically humans or organic androids if you prefer ( though not like the original human torch who was a synth human )

i base this on the fact that they bleed and can be taken out by conventional fire arms
why would a robot bleed ?
why would a robot bleed red ?
replicants are as far as i am concerned engineerd human clones but that is a discussion for another time

i didnt like the best of both worlds i felt the pace was a bit off
and rather slow
and the climax was .....dissapointing

its follow up family dealing with the fallout of the two parter on the other hand is great
we meet picards family for one
and this makes something that happens in generations resonate that much more
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snowkatt: lower decks is the best episode that show cases ensigns and the not name cast
but you will have to wait till season 2 for that
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Elmofongo: I am watching season 2. You mean after?
For what it's worth I'll just list off my favorite TNG episodes for ya. Take them as you will.

The Inner Light - Picard's shining moment, really. Very personal story.
Best of Both Worlds - Great cliffhanger. We get a tease of Riker in the Captain's chair. Early Borg episodes were much better than later ones.
Chain of Command - Awesome scenes between Stewart and David Warner. Another two-parter. Ronny Cox takes over the Enterprise for a bit.
The Wounded - A rogue Federation captain named Ben Maxwell is shooting down Cardassian ships. Captain Maxwell thinks the Cardassians are going to start a war and pre-emptively attacks. A really good sci-fi twist on the pre-emptive strike strategy and the ethics of interventionist policy. Really good episode, plus O'brien has one of his best appearances.

And the top episode has to be Deja Q. Q loses his powers and becomes a mortal human. Enough said.