The biggest problem I have with the defense that they need them to defend themselves is that people aren't prepared to use their guns to defend themselves unless they have received prior training. Whenever you read about a gunman being stopped by civilians they usually overpowered them with everyday items or their fists.

why has this turned into how broken my country is? He who lives in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks. Wasn't there just some huge Neo-nazi riot in germany? Didn't Ottawa have 1 in 5 citizens on Ashley Madison? All countries have their problems, so none of us have the right to sit and judge.

anyways, I thought this was a discussion on gun control.
yup, I agree, it's like what happened in France on the train. How would this have played differently if someone had a legal carry permit? The same? More dead? More injuries? Obviously we can't know, but I lean towards more injured.

I brought the comparison, not him, his descriotion of such is bewilderingly confuseing seeing it should be normal due to it's high number of populace, not everything will be perfect.

There is NO two dimensional scale? dude in some of them Animal Cruelty and the demolishing of households of family's who posses blood of neighboring countries aren't actual crimes, and some of them show in Poor radical ideologues actual HATE CRIMES through their race!

dude, da fuq? such an enviroment is provided by a succesful education and atmosphere! something that is provided mostly in first world countries (But the northen indian countries and such can offer better education than just an average, also look at other countries like Mexico even if private and UDO's)

While I agree with Gilizards comment about geographicsl size, I have to disagree about ethenical diversity.
America does hsve vast open spaces, in those area gun control would be hard. But the majority of people live in cities, there controls can be put in place.

Diversity. England is the bastard nation. Every creed, and religion has a place here. The difference is we're on top of each other. While there are pockets of cultures they don't appear to be as large and deep rooted as in the states.

I read your post and found myself sighing and nodding my head. I've felt the end growing near for a while. I anticipate it will be very soon, within the next two years. That's why I've been preparing to leave.

From a purely pragmatic view, it's also a good reason to own guns. Just saying. If all the psychos and raiders are going to have guns, then the normal people should too. After all, the normal people are going to be the ones who have the stuff that the bad people want.

I totally agree. For a little while I was living near the Mojave, working a crap job as a delivery girl. I was taking this package into the city when I got jumped by a couple of thugs and shot in the head! Afterwards the cops didn't do crap, so I had to take matters into my own hands and track the asshats down. If it weren't for my ability to own and carry, I'd never have had my revenge.

Ah, I see what you did there. For about .832 seconds I was convinced you were telling me a personal real life story. If you hadn't said Mojave I would still be trying to piece together the story, scratching my head how you survived the damage to yours.

you left me no choice when you wrote, "raiders". it was the first thing that popped into my pea brain.

And that is precisely why I wrote "Mojave". :)

Keeping aside your emotional knee-jerk reaction to my post and your overly jingoistic mentality, I assure you I did not intend to "insult" the country you live in.

I told the cold, harsh truth. If reality is too much of a bitter pill to swallow then that's too bad for you.

If you don't know about the global and degenerate movement known as slut-walk then I feel sorry for you even more.
I am not bitching, just pointing out the obvious facts which have no emotion in them and certainly not any bitching.

In the US, with an estimated 280 million firearms and 310-320 million people bumping around, I'd say we actually exercise a remarkable amount of restraint. But given those numbers, the firearms cat is out of the bag so it's pretty much a discussion that likely won't go far.




Most anything else I say will just be jokes on using the proper stance and hand placement. More seriously, though, if you're going to have a firearm then be prepared to use it correctly, and know safe ownership and handling. And have a good time at the range! Target shooting is quite fun.

I am all for nearly everyone having firearms, be it for self defense, recreation, or even revolution. The only exception is the case of people who do not possess the mental faculties for the proper use of weapons - and even then, grudgingly. In my opinion, only allowing the "authorities" sole access to firepower runs the risk of them abusing their position. Like it or hate it, the gun has a powerful voice.

You are welcome to denigrate me and insult me. It's alright. It proves your level of intelligence or lack thereof.

You are also welcome to educate yourself about the reality of slut walk below-

http://spectator.org/articles/55063/slutwalk-insanity

it's all about attention, doing whatever they want without suffering any consequences.

Lastly, I was contributing to this thread, until you brought your emotional temper tantrums into the thread.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_American_Spectator

actually I can't believe ding-dong above me would even use that horrible article as a defense. wow. just wow.