Posted December 17, 2020
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IAmBored2: I think you didn't read what I said. If you WANT TO DO BUSINESS IN CHINA then if China says to fire that China-phobic person on twitter you NEED TO DO IT. China is not a democracy, get that through your head. China expects people who do business in china to censor their own employees, and if you don't then you aren't allowed to do business there.
Mikesemb: But WE are a democracy No corporation is going to give up the Chinese market, it's a super power of its own. And thus, they will censor their employees, they will lie to the press, they will do whatever China tells them to because if they don't then they cannot do business in china. No negations, no democracy, either you submit to China's will or you cannot do business there.
What this means is that GoG has already conceded to let the CPP have access to its systems (part of chinese law) and has already taken freedom away. Devotion is a raindrop.
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Posted December 17, 2020
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Yes, Absolutely.
Embargo China. Break China and free the people the way the Soviet Union was broken. CDP, CDPR and GOG only exist because the Soviet Union was defeated and the people of Poland, Hungary, Estonia, Czech Republic, Slovakia, etc. gained back their country, freedom and independence.
We must stop subsidizing Communist China, destroying manufacturing in other nations, stopping the slave labor in China and other nations, too. To Hell with globalism and communism.
Embargo China. Break China and free the people the way the Soviet Union was broken. CDP, CDPR and GOG only exist because the Soviet Union was defeated and the people of Poland, Hungary, Estonia, Czech Republic, Slovakia, etc. gained back their country, freedom and independence.
We must stop subsidizing Communist China, destroying manufacturing in other nations, stopping the slave labor in China and other nations, too. To Hell with globalism and communism.
Post edited December 17, 2020 by MajicMan
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Posted December 17, 2020
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IAmBored2: You do realize that it isn't about "backbone" it's an either or. If you want to do business in China you need to follow China's laws which require the government to have access to your systems, for the government to be able to takedown anything they find objectionable... for the government to be in complete control.
After all, Google's Dragonfly project was created because Google would rather have the €$'s with having a major market than not having that market.
No in fact I would rather no one do business with China. And if I was releasing a game I would block it from being sold in China because I don't care about China's Global Standards. I don't care about China. After all, Google's Dragonfly project was created because Google would rather have the €$'s with having a major market than not having that market.
Do you understand?
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Business is one thing. Control is another.
Post edited December 17, 2020 by kai2
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IAmBored2: I think you didn't read what I said. If you WANT TO DO BUSINESS IN CHINA then if China says to fire that China-phobic person on twitter you NEED TO DO IT. China is not a democracy, get that through your head. China expects people who do business in china to censor their own employees, and if you don't then you aren't allowed to do business there.
This is true, but if GOG does this then they aren't going to be selling games outside of China. They're currently trying to have it both ways which is not going to fly. If they want to at least attempt to walk this line they'd be better off spinning off a completely new independent store to cater explicitly to China along with all the restrictions and government pandering doing so requires.Lesser Blight Elemental
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Posted December 17, 2020
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Yes, embargo all trade with authoritarian countries like the PRC, Russia and Saudi Arabia. In other words, stop being hypocrites.
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Posted December 17, 2020
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Censorship is bad. Don't do business with people that support it. Problem solved. Yes, I'm saying censor the censors. :)
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Posted December 17, 2020
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Lesser Blight Elemental: Yes, embargo all trade with authoritarian countries like the PRC, Russia and Saudi Arabia. In other words, stop being hypocrites.
Exactly. People need to accept that the stuff they're complaining about is a direct result of doing business with China and start lobbying to stop doing business with non-democratic nations. Complaining that corporations aren't out for your best interest is dumb, get the governments to stop allowing the trade and then China might start listening. They probably won't but at least we won't have to listen to them. IAmBored2: I think you didn't read what I said. If you WANT TO DO BUSINESS IN CHINA then if China says to fire that China-phobic person on twitter you NEED TO DO IT. China is not a democracy, get that through your head. China expects people who do business in china to censor their own employees, and if you don't then you aren't allowed to do business there.
mirumu: This is true, but if GOG does this then they aren't going to be selling games outside of China. They're currently trying to have it both ways which is not going to fly. If they want to at least attempt to walk this line they'd be better off spinning off a completely new independent store to cater explicitly to China along with all the restrictions and government pandering doing so requires. Post edited December 17, 2020 by IAmBored2
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Posted December 17, 2020
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Because we all know every territory has to bow down to the whims of the United States, and the United States dont like competition.
Also the US uses military force and intelligence tactics to bend other countries to their will, but its ok when the US does it, cuz they do it "for a good cause".
The Taiwanese developers obviously misused the game medium for political propaganda, and GOG doesnt want to get involved in this kind of game.
StingingVelvet: The problem isn't what happens within China's borders... well, with media anyway, obviously concentration camps are bad.
Concentration camps in China, oh boy you are so well informed, and you use such correct terms.StingingVelvet: The problem is China uses their financial influence to bend other countries to their will.
A capitalist country using their financial influence to bend other countries to their will, i guess thats only ok if the US does it. Also the US uses military force and intelligence tactics to bend other countries to their will, but its ok when the US does it, cuz they do it "for a good cause".
StingingVelvet: Movies and games censoring themselves to "fit in" in China is only one small example of a larger problem.
Yup, because the west does not censor anything they dont like, no sire...oh but wait, they do censor like crazy, but then again its "for a good cause"....as always.StingingVelvet: GOG could have easily geo-restricted the game in China I believe. They have done that with certain games in Germany if I am not mistaken. The fact that wasn't the obvious solution tells me it's more about China's grander influence on general commerce.
If you were correct, GoG would have created restrictions for regional access, but maybe, just maybe GOG doesnt want to have anything to do with political and ideological conflicts on their platform? The Taiwanese developers obviously misused the game medium for political propaganda, and GOG doesnt want to get involved in this kind of game.
Post edited December 17, 2020 by kaboro
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Posted December 17, 2020
Buddy, if you think other games on GOG don't have any political propaganda in them, then I have a BIG GREAT WALL with photos of Winnie Xi Pooh to sell you.
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If this was the 1930s and the Nazis were burning books would we all have to stop reading them or selling them worldwide to appease them too to pander to their market? No. Never. This is one country's government (that hardly has a stellar repuation with human rights watch and others...) is causing everyone else world wide to have to live under their creeping rules by pressuring global corporations. Even the reason for it being stopped is completely silly as it's a very very mild joke that is completely thematic and appropriate in the Taiwan setting and only pokes a little fun at one person. That person happens to be a big baby and overly sensitive though so the attack dogs are released. That's what we should remember too. That it is so minor a thing that we're seeing this hostile dictatorial style behavior over.
If they don't want to sell it in the China region? I guess that's up to them if they want to do that. Sad that they'd give in to such an attitude if they did but at least the rest of the world doesn't have that imposed upon them. They are taking it from all of us though and doing it with a nonsense excuse.
This is completely true. There's plenty of them on GOG with all manner of opinions in them. Postal games being for sale also makes a mockery of any "can't cause people offence" idea too. The "offending" things in this game are realistic inclusions for the setting and incredibly mild anyway. No "Dear Leader" should be acting in such a manner or relying on sycophants to attack people who might criticise.
If they don't want to sell it in the China region? I guess that's up to them if they want to do that. Sad that they'd give in to such an attitude if they did but at least the rest of the world doesn't have that imposed upon them. They are taking it from all of us though and doing it with a nonsense excuse.
kaboro: The Taiwanese developers obviously misused the game medium for political propaganda, and GOG doesnt want to get involved in this kind of game.
Foxhack: Buddy, if you think other games on GOG don't have any political propaganda in them, then I have a BIG GREAT WALL with photos of Winnie Xi Pooh to sell you.