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LootHunter: The only one, who engages in mental gymnastics, is you. You start talking about how games with porn are bad and how people who like those games should not be on GOG. And when asked, why don't you want GOG not to cater to those people, you start to screech how it "alienates" you and people like you.
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bombardier: You are making this up. I said that people should no be here for the porn games. If they want porn games, they can easily get them in specialty stores that cater for their need.
If you take this literally then only people who came to GoG SOLELY to fulfill their masturbatory needs will not be here.
All other will buy normal games here and their porn on porn stores.

You realize that it is possible to have more than one game store in a world?
Yes, I do. However, I'm still asking you why do I have to go to another store, create another account, give my credential to yet another party, just because I want to buy games, you don't want to buy?
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LootHunter: If you would look a few comments up, that horse is pretty much alive. People equate drawing sex with a short young anime character (that can remind someone of an underage girl) to actually forcing a real child to have sex.
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HappyPunkPotato: Yeah but the vegan would say "Don't flog a horse anyway." :D

I read that comment more as saying imaginary child porn is wrong than saying the child was real.
Then you've read it wrong. To my knowledge "Song of Saya" doesn't feature any 10-year olds. So, the sex scene mentioned can only involve a character, who may look underage human girl but is not an underage human girl.

I may be mistaken but unless more context is provided, I'm not going to believe the comment.
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LootHunter: If you would look a few comments up, that horse is pretty much alive. People equate drawing sex with a short young anime character (that can remind someone of an underage girl) to actually forcing a real child to have sex.
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bombardier: Nobody is saying that. They say that drawing sex scenes with prepubescent teens is actually drawing scenes with pedophilia themes.
How can you claim that pictures depicting child sex are not depicting child sex?
See above.
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LootHunter: Yes, I do. However, I'm still asking you why do I have to go to another store, create another account, give my credential to yet another party, just because I want to buy games, you don't want to buy?
How is you discomfort of making another account any different than my discomfort of having porn games plastered all over my homepage?

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HappyPunkPotato: Yeah but the vegan would say "Don't flog a horse anyway." :D

I read that comment more as saying imaginary child porn is wrong than saying the child was real.
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LootHunter: Then you've read it wrong. To my knowledge "Song of Saya" doesn't feature any 10-year olds. So, the sex scene mentioned can only involve a character, who may look underage human girl but is not an underage human girl.

I may be mistaken but unless more context is provided, I'm not going to believe the comment.
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bombardier: Nobody is saying that. They say that drawing sex scenes with prepubescent teens is actually drawing scenes with pedophilia themes.
How can you claim that pictures depicting child sex are not depicting child sex?
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LootHunter: See above.
All I am seeing here is YOU claiming that people claim that child sex is real. You are making it up.
Other people are claiming that if you draw something that looks like a child porn, it looks like a child porn and it doesn't automatically turns into not looking like a child porn simply by claiming that she is not a child.
Especially since this statement is usually never said out loud, but always inferred by some context, so you can always claim your innocence by saying: "She is not a child. She has a job."

Stop drawing child porn and people will stop complaining about you drawing child porn.
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LootHunter: Yes, I do. However, I'm still asking you why do I have to go to another store, create another account, give my credential to yet another party, just because I want to buy games, you don't want to buy?
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bombardier: How is you discomfort of making another account any different than my discomfort of having porn games plastered all over my homepage?
My discomfort is based on real problems with online security and time spent on going to a different site. Your's is based on... on.... on what exactly? I'm still waiting for your explanation, why the cover of "Song of Saya" makes you uncomfortable.
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LootHunter: Then you've read it wrong. To my knowledge "Song of Saya" doesn't feature any 10-year olds. So, the sex scene mentioned can only involve a character, who may look underage human girl but is not an underage human girl.

I may be mistaken but unless more context is provided, I'm not going to believe the comment.

See above.
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bombardier: All I am seeing here is YOU claiming that people claim that child sex is real. You are making it up.
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bombardier: Other people are claiming that if you draw something that looks like a child porn, it looks like a child porn and it doesn't automatically turns into not looking like a child porn simply by claiming that she is not a child.
If something looks like child porn but is not child porn, it's not child porn - it's as simple as that.

If something looks like murder but it actually isn't a murder, a person shouldn't be accused of murder. That's how legal system works.
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bombardier: How is you discomfort of making another account any different than my discomfort of having porn games plastered all over my homepage?
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LootHunter: My discomfort is based on real problems with online security and time spent on going to a different site. Your's is based on... on.... on what exactly? I'm still waiting for your explanation, why the cover of "Song of Saya" makes you uncomfortable.
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LootHunter:
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bombardier: Other people are claiming that if you draw something that looks like a child porn, it looks like a child porn and it doesn't automatically turns into not looking like a child porn simply by claiming that she is not a child.
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LootHunter: If something looks like child porn but is not child porn, it's not child porn - it's as simple as that.

If something looks like murder but it actually isn't a murder, a person shouldn't be accused of murder. That's how legal system works.
Please stop.
This whole thread of discussion is a clear evidence why porn games should be sold on dedicated porn sites.

Majority of people look at these screenshots and think "Gee, these look like kids. Is this pedophilia? Who buys this thing?"
People on porn sites think "Gee, these look like kids, but it is ok since in a game they imply that they are over 18, so there is no problem."
People will just keep their mouth shut about this because it is extremely awkward topic to discuss, but Crosmando mentioned it. Your immediate reaction should have been to ignore it, not try to defend it on some technicality.

It is easier to defend clearly looking child porn to people with similar points of view, and this results in less conflict on a dedicated porn site instead of general gaming site. I really don't know why you don't want to have a safe community for you interests.
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LootHunter: My discomfort is based on real problems with online security and time spent on going to a different site. Your's is based on... on.... on what exactly? I'm still waiting for your explanation, why the cover of "Song of Saya" makes you uncomfortable.

If something looks like child porn but is not child porn, it's not child porn - it's as simple as that.

If something looks like murder but it actually isn't a murder, a person shouldn't be accused of murder. That's how legal system works.
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bombardier: Please stop.
This whole thread of discussion is a clear evidence why porn games should be sold on dedicated porn sites.
On the contrary, it's exactly the evidence that we should fight rampant censorship, as too many people are eager to ban anything that doesn't fit their tastes. And not only they do that, they do that using various types of fallacies and even outright lies.

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bombardier: Majority of people look at these screenshots and think "Gee, these look like kids. Is this pedophilia? Who buys this thing?"
Where? Show me a single screenshot on GOG site with sex, not to mention sex with underage-looking characters.

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bombardier: People on porn sites think "Gee, these look like kids, but it is ok since in a game they imply that they are over 18, so there is no problem."
People will just keep their mouth shut about this because it is extremely awkward topic to discuss, but Crosmando mentioned it. Your immediate reaction should have been to ignore it, not try to defend it on some technicality.
No, my immediate reaction is to call out the BS, as I'm sick of people who try to misrepresent various ideas by pulling stuff out of context. Or sometimes outright fabricating things.


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bombardier: It is easier to defend clearly looking child porn to people with similar points of view, and this results in less conflict on a dedicated porn site instead of general gaming site. I really don't know why you don't want to have a safe community for you interests.
I'm not defending "clearly looking child porn". I'm calling out BS about games with pornographic content that you are telling. My interest is freedom of speech and freedom of expression, and the likes of you already proved that regardless of how far from you people with different interests will go, sooner or later you will come after them there. (And I'm talking not just about porn games). So there is no reason to give you any more power than you already have just to make you feel more comfortable.
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You know I think spending a lot of energy complaining about images in games that look "young" but are not pictures of ACTUAL human beings but are created using a program is a WASTE OF TIME.

If you hate CP, as anyone should, support it's ongoing elimination. HOWEVER, attacking images CREATED USING SOFTWARE AREN'T and NEVER WILL BE CP.

If young ENTIRELY FICTIONAL images that are created with software bother you, go look in the mirror and ask yourself WHY.

For GOG to continue to survive it needs to sell what people want, which includes ADULT CONTENT. Suggesting people should "go elsewhere" to buy naughty games is just lost revenue for GOG and the game STILL GETS BOUGHT so your argument does NOTHING.

GOG warns you if the game you're about to look at contains adult content and you can FILTER IT OUT.

I'm so F-ING sick of you white knighters trying to kill any fun for others because those games make your special place feel funny and that destroys you internally (seek help, please).

Don't like it? Don't buy it. Otherwise, *******.

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CatGog2017: You know I think spending a lot of energy complaining about images in games that look "young" but are not pictures of ACTUAL human beings but are created using a program is a WASTE OF TIME.

If you hate CP, as anyone should, support it's ongoing elimination. HOWEVER, attacking images CREATED USING SOFTWARE AREN'T and NEVER WILL BE CP.

If young ENTIRELY FICTIONAL images that are created with software bother you, go look in the mirror and ask yourself WHY.

For GOG to continue to survive it needs to sell what people want, which includes ADULT CONTENT. Suggesting people should "go elsewhere" to buy naughty games is just lost revenue for GOG and the game STILL GETS BOUGHT so your argument does NOTHING.

GOG warns you if the game you're about to look at contains adult content and you can FILTER IT OUT.

I'm so F-ING sick of you white knighters trying to kill any fun for others because those games make your special place feel funny and that destroys you internally (seek help, please).

Don't like it? Don't buy it. Otherwise, F-OFF.
Sure. People who don't buy fictional child pornography should seek help. :)
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CatGog2017: You know I think spending a lot of energy complaining about images in games that look "young" but are not pictures of ACTUAL human beings but are created using a program is a WASTE OF TIME.

If you hate CP, as anyone should, support it's ongoing elimination. HOWEVER, attacking images CREATED USING SOFTWARE AREN'T and NEVER WILL BE CP.

If young ENTIRELY FICTIONAL images that are created with software bother you, go look in the mirror and ask yourself WHY.

For GOG to continue to survive it needs to sell what people want, which includes ADULT CONTENT. Suggesting people should "go elsewhere" to buy naughty games is just lost revenue for GOG and the game STILL GETS BOUGHT so your argument does NOTHING.

GOG warns you if the game you're about to look at contains adult content and you can FILTER IT OUT.

I'm so F-ING sick of you white knighters trying to kill any fun for others because those games make your special place feel funny and that destroys you internally (seek help, please).

Don't like it? Don't buy it. Otherwise, F-OFF.
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bombardier: Sure. People who don't buy fictional child pornography should seek help. :)
yep , those people need help and should be checked regularly
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Looks like 10k+ symbols for once are too much for GoG :D So I have to split the answer into parts

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Crosmando: In many countries this is classified as actual child porn.
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LootHunter: That reminds me of something...
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HappyPunkPotato: You keep trying to push this idea that people can't tell fact from fiction when that's obviously not true
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LootHunter: Oh, yeah - that.
Nice one)

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JuWalk: It's really funny to hear about living in bubble from peoples who at the same time say "Boohoo drawn boobs give me a psychological trauma so you should delete them" :D
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HappyPunkPotato: I didn't take you for a troll but you clearly don't give a damn about other people so you can't really complain if people don't care about you either.
Vice versa. I'm not going to care about the opinion of those people who were the first to spit on mine, but demand respect for themselves. As they say, I didn't start this war.

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JuWalk: GoG and some users believe that meat and vegetables can be in the same refrigerator. You say "I'm a vegan so everyone should keep meat away from vegetables".
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HappyPunkPotato: No, the vegan says "You shouldn't be having meat at all." And the health department says "You should keep your uncooked meat away from your vegetables anyway."
Ok, I'll rephrase. A vegan demands that the supermarket stop selling meat, eggs, milk and honey for his sake. Is this behavior appropriate? Definitely not.
The Ministry of Health didn't say "you should keep meat in one fridge and vegetables in another, separate one". There is no law against selling violent or erotic games on GoG. So, they have every right to be sold here.

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JuWalk: Lie. Within a particular store, this is exactly what censorship is. And not substantiated by anything other than "You should delete this because I don't like it". I have already asked many times to name at least one objective reason for fulfilling your requirements, but no one has managed to do this. There were only subjective demands in the style of "respect our wishes as long as we spit on the wishes of both other users and GoG owners".
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HappyPunkPotato: So let's come back to the racism question that you keep avoiding.
If a game was made by white people for white people featuring black people as nothing more than slaves and some black people weren't OK with it they would be selfish and spitting on others wishes? After all, it's just subjective.
If a game was made by men for men featuring women as sex objects and some women aren't OK with it...
Let's also consider that in the past (not in every country), women were literally owned by men.
If this game somehow calls for violence against representatives of another race in real life, it should be banned. If someone simply doesn't like it because non-existent people are depicted as slaves, that's their problem. If blacks make a game for blacks, in which the slaves will be whites, I will not run to demand that it be banned, but will simply pass by. Yes, it’s possible, it’s not at all necessary to be offended by everything around. And no, I don’t want to live in a sterile world in which all products are made in such a way that they definitely won’t offend anyone at all - there are too many those who can be offended by something, so we will quickly slide into dull monotony.
No matter how much you deny it, putting an equal sign between fictional characters and real people is stupid. If they digitize me now, add to some shooter, and the players shoot this character 1000 times a day, it won’t hurt me at all. And even more so, what they do to fictional characters with whom I have in common only gender and skin color can't harm me in any way. If you want - tear them into small pieces, if you want - portray massive gay orgies with their participation - this will not have any effect on my real life.
By the way, white people were also actively sold into slavery. Irish, for example. And Slavs. And the blacks themselves sold a lot of their fellows into slavery. But for some reason everyone stubbornly forgets about this...

And about the fact that women literally belonged to men - yes, this is really a problem. So, maybe you can leave the games alone and start helping real women from Saudi Arabia, for example? Or the Libyans, who have had the slave trade in full swing in the country for many years? I assure you, they need help muuuch more than those who simply do not exist ;)

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JuWalk: 1) If you say "In media, porn is the same thing as excessive violence" - why don't you resent the existence of games with this very violence in the store?
2) Lie. Within a particular store, this is exactly what censorship is. And not substantiated by anything other than "You should delete this because I don't like it". I have already asked many times to name at least one objective reason for fulfilling your requirements, but no one has managed to do this. There were only subjective demands in the style of "respect our wishes as long as we spit on the wishes of both other users and GoG owners".
3) Judging by the fact that sales of most of these games are very high, GoG won't lose much from your offended boycott ;)
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bombardier: 1. I actually do, but currently there is a flood of porn games not a flood of murder simulators.

2. Not a lie. It is just you inability to acknowledge the truth because you have your agenda and are failing in argumentative thinking. By your own definition GoG's entire curation process is a censorship and it should be abolished.

3. Claim your sources for this information.
2) Truth? Seriously? :D Well, why doesn't your truth have any really good justifications? From message to message, there is nothing but "in my subjective opinion, porn games are bad and must be deleted". Your subjective opinion is no more valuable than my subjective opinion which says these games should be at GoG. We're equal. But I propose to give those who want such games the opportunity to buy them, and those who don't want - to hide and not see, and you are calling for simply banning them for everyone. That is, I offer freedom and the ability to choose for everyone, and you offer only superfluous and unjustified prohibitions. Feel the difference?

3) Many of these games were in the list of top sellers even before GoG messed the catalog and filtrations. Of course, you can say that GoG cheated something there, but we can’t know for sure, and we don’t have other sources of data. So it remains to either believe in the data that is unpleasant for you from the store page, or build conspiracy theories. And by the way, in case you haven't noticed, there are also enough people on the forum who are satisfied with the publication of these games, no matter how your howl tries to drown out their voices

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LootHunter: The only one, who engages in mental gymnastics, is you. You start talking about how games with porn are bad and how people who like those games should not be on GOG. And when asked, why don't you want GOG not to cater to those people, you start to screech how it "alienates" you and people like you.
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bombardier: You are making this up. I said that people should no be here for the porn games. If they want porn games, they can easily get them in specialty stores that cater for their need.
If you take this literally then only people who came to GoG SOLELY to fulfill their masturbatory needs will not be here.
All other will buy normal games here and their porn on porn stores.

You realize that it is possible to have more than one game store in a world?
Who are you to decide what people should come here for, and why they shouldn't? Are you a store owner? The president? Maybe God himself?

GoG wants to sell porn games. People want to carry money for these games to GoG, and not to someone else. So why should both the first and the second suddenly give up their desires for yours? Name at least one good reason.

And yes, on the example of Steam and EGS, we can clearly see that people often remain unhappy with the idea of ​​​​dividing their collections between several stores. One store instead of two-three-five-ten will always be preferable.
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CatGog2017: You know I think spending a lot of energy complaining about images in games that look "young" but are not pictures of ACTUAL human beings but are created using a program is a WASTE OF TIME.

If you hate CP, as anyone should, support it's ongoing elimination. HOWEVER, attacking images CREATED USING SOFTWARE AREN'T and NEVER WILL BE CP.

If young ENTIRELY FICTIONAL images that are created with software bother you, go look in the mirror and ask yourself WHY.

For GOG to continue to survive it needs to sell what people want, which includes ADULT CONTENT. Suggesting people should "go elsewhere" to buy naughty games is just lost revenue for GOG and the game STILL GETS BOUGHT so your argument does NOTHING.

GOG warns you if the game you're about to look at contains adult content and you can FILTER IT OUT.

I'm so F-ING sick of you white knighters trying to kill any fun for others because those games make your special place feel funny and that destroys you internally (seek help, please).

Don't like it? Don't buy it. Otherwise, F-OFF.
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bombardier: Sure. People who don't buy fictional child pornography should seek help. :)
Yep. People who think that pictures and pixels can have age, feelings, or something else should definitely seek help. Otherwise, after 10-20 years, you can reach real prison terms for creep genocide in some strategy or MOBA :D
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bombardier: Sure. People who don't buy fictional child pornography should seek help. :)
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JuWalk: Yep. People who think that pictures and pixels can have age, feelings, or something else should definitely seek help. Otherwise, after 10-20 years, you can reach real prison terms for creep genocide in some strategy or MOBA :D
I guess you would be an advocate of letting peados who only have pictures on their HDD to go free, as they never did anything, they just had pictures....

You are seriously one ********, no wonder you created that account this year with the sole intent on coming here to these forums.

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JuWalk: Yep. People who think that pictures and pixels can have age, feelings, or something else should definitely seek help. Otherwise, after 10-20 years, you can reach real prison terms for creep genocide in some strategy or MOBA :D
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DetouR6734: I guess you would be an advocate of letting peados who only have pictures on their HDD to go free, as they never did anything, they just had pictures....

You are seriously one ********, no wonder you created that account this year with the sole intent on coming here to these forums.
If we are talking about drawn characters - yes, imagine, I don't see the slightest problem in this. If we are talking about photos of real children, this is a completely different matter, and the police should definitely be interested in this person.
This is the ability to separate fiction from reality. If a person likes to shoot crowds of other people in shooters, this doesn't mean that he will go to kill real people. If a person plays games about sex, this doesn't mean that tomorrow he will go to rape peoples or take someone into sex slavery. If a person has played Twisted Metal for 1000 hours, this doesn't mean at all that he will equip his car with rocket launchers and arrange a massacre on the highway.

And *******, as you put it, is a person who lumps everything together. In addition, he is also terribly hypocritical, since in sex games he sees a danger to real people in some way, but in shooters and fighting games - no

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DetouR6734: I guess you would be an advocate of letting peados who only have pictures on their HDD to go free, as they never did anything, they just had pictures....

You are seriously one ********, no wonder you created that account this year with the sole intent on coming here to these forums.
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JuWalk: If we are talking about drawn characters - yes, imagine, I don't see the slightest problem in this. If we are talking about photos of real children, this is a completely different matter, and the police should definitely be interested in this person.
This is the ability to separate fiction from reality. If a person likes to shoot crowds of other people in shooters, this doesn't mean that he will go to kill real people. If a person plays games about sex, this doesn't mean that tomorrow he will go to rape peoples or take someone into sex slavery. If a person has played Twisted Metal for 1000 hours, this doesn't mean at all that he will equip his car with rocket launchers and arrange a massacre on the highway.

And *******, as you put it, is a person who lumps everything together. In addition, he is also terribly hypocritical, since in sex games he sees a danger to real people in some way, but in shooters and fighting games - no
This guy gets it. He understands the difference between what's real and what's UNREAL. All you white kinighters out there trying to protect the world from thoughts, where were you when all the shooters came out?

Using your logic, those are bad too, right? Isn't odd how devoted you people are to trying to manage the sex interests of others. Really odd, actually.

It's like, you pretend to want to stop something you FEEL (emphasize feel, it's what you do instead of think) is bad, not because YOU'D do it. Oh no no no, you'd NEVER do something like that, so because you're so pure (you cast no shadows, that's how pure you are) you will step up and SAVE US FROM OURSELVES.

Can I be honest here, the notion of YOU saving me makes me a little queasy. Couldn't you spare us your preaching and perhaps focus on that fun new furry game you've got your eye on? (no judgements here, I'm sure you would never harm your dog)

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CatGog2017: you cast no shadows, that's how pure you are
I'm willing to bet that they also eat only rainbows, and poop butterflies :D Not like us, nasty barbarians who mock pixels!