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tinysalamander: Sexual revolution happened last century, but some people didn't get the memo, apparently.
so it should be everywhere and in everything? thats some short sighted view
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tinysalamander: Sexual revolution happened last century, but some people didn't get the memo, apparently.
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Breja: It's like Terry Pratchett said - "Don't put your trust in revolutions. They always come around again. That's why they're called revolutions."
yep most of these revolutions dont achieve anything at all
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JuWalk: As I said, the most honest option would be to create the possibility of personal blocking of games, so that you can hide adult games, me - simulators, someone else - shooters, etc. And those who like these games could still safely buy them.
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darktjm: Just a side note: blocking by genre or game tags is not safe, at least on gog, in my experience. The tags are often wrong, and sometimes even the genre is wrong (e.g. often turn-based RPGs are listed as action games, such as Rise of the Third Power just today)
It's same in other shops, unfortunately. But it's still better than completely cutting out the games from the store, making them inaccessible to everyone at all.


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And a couple of words for those who demand the removal of games they do not like:
1) There is no law prohibiting the sale of these games in GoG
2) There is no law prohibiting people from buying and playing games that allegedly offend you
3) There is no need to protect children from something either. Here is an excerpt from the user agreement:
1.5 If you're over 18, then welcome! If you're between 16 and 18, before we extend an equally warm welcome, please ask your parent or guardian to review and approve this Agreement on your behalf (because in some countries people under a certain age cannot legally enter into contracts like this Agreement). If you’re not 16 yet you cannot have a GOG account or use the GOG services because legally we cannot handle personal data of children without a special parental or guardian’s permission (but your parents/guardians are welcome to sign up themselves).

Thus, there is not a single objective reason to remove AO games from the GoG catalog. Like it or not, this is how things are
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JuWalk: Nice try, but it won't work. Racism is a concept that has more or less clear characteristics. But sexism is a very vague concept. Some may record a person as a sexist even because, in their opinion, he just looked at the girl somehow wrong.
Similar can happen with racism.

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JuWalk: Because we all have equal rights. But opponents of AO games are trying to get others to dance to their tune. So I ask - why do you think that your opinion is more valuable than the opinions of other people?
I don't, I think everyone's opinion should be considered. That's why I've said all along that you should try considering other people's sometime.

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JuWalk: "some probably should be" - and by what criteria to decide which ones?
I don't know. Similar criteria to how they decide wich racist games to delete that you avoided talking about.

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JuWalk: Hollywood has made thousands of films about good Americans and evil "Russians" (including other people from the former USSR). So, now I have to be offended and demand that these films not be shown? By your logic, yes. But I just don't watch them, that's all. And those who like it - look. And the world didn't fall apart, can you imagine?
You're putting words in my mouth again. At what point did I suggest people should be offended or demand things be banned? Total lack of logic from you there. I simply said some people are and they deserve more consideration.

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JuWalk: Not sure "the right to buy violent games at a shop of my choice" is an actual right - All people have the same rights. Including they have the right to freely buy whatever they want, if it is on sale.
You have the right to buy it if it's available but that's different than having the right to have it on sale here. People against these games are not interfering with your rights.

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LootHunter: Yes. And that's exactly the problem, as it allows censors too much room for personal bias in their judgment.

And yet, there are still criteria that are clear enough. Tits and butts are considered erogenous zones.
Yes, that bothers me too. I really couldn't say exactly where I stand on the subject. I would argue that the presence of boobs in itself isn't erotica though. After all, I've just been feeding my little one with mine ;)

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LootHunter: But GOG already sells games with erotic and sexual content. Starting from CDPR own Witcher and Cyberpunk series. So, GOG is not a child-friendly store. There is no reason to deny selling a game simply because it has erotic or sexual content.

P.S. Fun fact - the forum doesn't allow to post V-word. But does allow the word "penis". Sex discrimination?
Similar to how they don't sell games with content locked behind online activation unless it's a CDPR game. Weird you can say penis but not vag.
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JuWalk: Thus, there is not a single objective reason to remove AO games from the GoG catalog. Like it or not, this is how things are
Is this objective enough reason for you:

You alienate customers who don't want to be spoon fed sex all day long. They reduce their spending on the store, like I am doing right now. This results in lower sales so you have even harder time convincing developers to do business with your store. Also, some developers might come and check out your store and decide that they will not bother doing business with a store overrun by porn. All this results in reduced game selection and the magic cycle continues.

Actually I am not reducing my spending here because of all the porn, per se, but because this all fells like a last gasps for air of a drowning business, and I am not really into burning more money just in case I receive a mail stating that I have 30 days to backup all my games before service shuts down forever.
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My plex server has over 2000 movies on it. There are about 50 watchable movies on there. Just because the number is high doesn't mean that the number is justified.

I think the priority should go in this order:

The game works

DRM Free

Repeat the above 2.

I find porn type games absolutely borng. However, there exists a site that specalize in DRM Free porn type games. I couldn't care if porn type games exist or not. It's just not for me.

I had Custer's Revenge. The novelty wore off in a few seconds and all I had was a shitty game and a more empty wallet.
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JuWalk: Thus, there is not a single objective reason to remove AO games from the GoG catalog. Like it or not, this is how things are
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bombardier: Is this objective enough reason for you:

You alienate customers who don't want to be spoon fed sex all day long. They reduce their spending on the store, like I am doing right now. This results in lower sales so you have even harder time convincing developers to do business with your store. Also, some developers might come and check out your store and decide that they will not bother doing business with a store overrun by porn. All this results in reduced game selection and the magic cycle continues.

Actually I am not reducing my spending here because of all the porn, per se, but because this all fells like a last gasps for air of a drowning business, and I am not really into burning more money just in case I receive a mail stating that I have 30 days to backup all my games before service shuts down forever.
Nope. Because no one feeds anything to anyone. Due to the fact that there are some games in the catalog, they are not automatically added to my account. No, of course, if you have a GoG employee with a gun behind your back, who forces you to buy such games, it's another matter. Just give the sign and I'll be among the first to call the police to save you. But if there is nothing like that, no one bothers you to simply ignore what you don’t like. Yes, it is possible, as unbelievable as it may sound.

And, as we can see, there are no problems with the publication of good non-AO games either. Over the past 24 hours (wow, is there really no verbal definition for 24 hours in English? O_o) alone a bunch of interesting things have been announced. So this argument is more than far-fetched.

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stevenlavey: My plex server has over 2000 movies on it. There are about 50 watchable movies on there. Just because the number is high doesn't mean that the number is justified.
I agree. But, on the other hand, what would you watch if good films of one genre or another were not allowed to be viewed due to the fact that there is enough garbage in this genre? For example, there are a lot of frankly stupid comedies or low-grade action films. Is this a reason to send all films of these genres to hell in general?
Actually, this is exactly what the curation of GoG is for - approve good games of any genre, and weed out not so good ones. Of course, sometimes they overdo it with refusals, but "treating" this by requiring even more restrictions is definitely a controversial undertaking.
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LootHunter: Yes. And that's exactly the problem, as it allows censors too much room for personal bias in their judgment.

And yet, there are still criteria that are clear enough. Tits and butts are considered erogenous zones.
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HappyPunkPotato: Yes, that bothers me too. I really couldn't say exactly where I stand on the subject. I would argue that the presence of boobs in itself isn't erotica though. After all, I've just been feeding my little one with mine ;)
Yes, like I've said, there are cases "on the edge" (though I think most times pictures of breastfeeding are considered inappropriate for children, even if "erotic factor" there is kinda dubious). Still, if the content is already classified as erotica or porn, it's reasonable to restrict access to it for children. And not sell it in the store meant for children.

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LootHunter: But GOG already sells games with erotic and sexual content. Starting from CDPR own Witcher and Cyberpunk series. So, GOG is not a child-friendly store. There is no reason to deny selling a game simply because it has erotic or sexual content.
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HappyPunkPotato: Similar to how they don't sell games with content locked behind online activation unless it's a CDPR game.
Gwent is the only exception in regards to online content (and still I think it should be removed from the store and have its own site). Games with sexual content are on GOG in large enough numbers, in addition to Witcher and Cyberpunk. So, again, be consistent - either remove everithing or allow erotica in general.
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JuWalk: Nope. Because no one feeds anything to anyone. Due to the fact that there are some games in the catalog, they are not automatically added to my account. No, of course, if you have a GoG employee with a gun behind your back, who forces you to buy such games, it's another matter. Just give the sign and I'll be among the first to call the police to save you. But if there is nothing like that, no one bothers you to simply ignore what you don’t like. Yes, it is possible, as unbelievable as it may sound.
You could claim that for Steam, but not GoG. Porn games on Steam are clearly marked as such and I managed to set my filtering options to not show them to me. On GoG there is no clear indication of porn games. You have to read through game description and even then it is not clear so you have to go online to make sure.
Either GoG is trying to trick users int buying porn games, or they are ashamed of selling them.

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JuWalk: I agree. But, on the other hand, what would you watch if good films of one genre or another were not allowed to be viewed due to the fact that there is enough garbage in this genre? For example, there are a lot of frankly stupid comedies or low-grade action films. Is this a reason to send all films of these genres to hell in general?
Actually, this is exactly what the curation of GoG is for - approve good games of any genre, and weed out not so good ones. Of course, sometimes they overdo it with refusals, but "treating" this by requiring even more restrictions is definitely a controversial undertaking.
You are being quite insincere when you talk about porn games as games instead of porn. Porn movies are movies as well, yet they are not screened in big multiplex cinemas.
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Good news for the rational users who want such(and also the whiner types as well): more filters ahoy!
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bombardier: Porn movies are movies as well, yet they are not screened in big multiplex cinemas.
Bad example, bruh: movies are usually shown on big screens to a bunch of people of varying ages at once.....games/other media can be played on small screens by individual people while alone.
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Good news for the rational users who want such(and also the whiner types as well): more filters ahoy!
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GamezRanker: =-=-=-=-=-=

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bombardier: Porn movies are movies as well, yet they are not screened in big multiplex cinemas.
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GamezRanker: Bad example, bruh: movies are usually shown on big screens to a bunch of people of varying ages at once.....games/other media can be played on small screens by individual people while alone.
Porn movies are not sold in media stores.
Porn magazines are not sold in general stores among normal magazines.
Sex toys are not sold in Toys'R'Us.
Vibrators are not sold in household appliance stores.

Yet all of those can be consumed by "individual people while alone".
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bombardier: Porn movies are not sold in media stores.
Porn magazines are not sold in general stores among normal magazines.
I've actually seen both of these over the years, bruh.
(sure the "lewd movies" are often softcore, and the magazines have a jacket/wrapper over em, but they're still sold)

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bombardier: Sex toys are not sold in Toys'R'Us.
Those are stores geared mainly to kids, bruh, so bad example :D
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bombardier: Porn movies are not sold in media stores.
Porn magazines are not sold in general stores among normal magazines.
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GamezRanker: I've actually seen both of these over the years, bruh.
(sure the "lewd movies" are often softcore, and the magazines have a jacket/wrapper over em, but they're still sold)

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bombardier: Sex toys are not sold in Toys'R'Us.
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GamezRanker: Those are stores geared mainly to kids, bruh, so bad example :D
OP was saying that there is no legal ground for GoG to not sell these type of games so I was naming other examples of stores that are not prohibited to sell porn merchandise yet they still choose not to sell it.
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JuWalk: Nope. Because no one feeds anything to anyone. Due to the fact that there are some games in the catalog, they are not automatically added to my account. No, of course, if you have a GoG employee with a gun behind your back, who forces you to buy such games, it's another matter. Just give the sign and I'll be among the first to call the police to save you. But if there is nothing like that, no one bothers you to simply ignore what you don’t like. Yes, it is possible, as unbelievable as it may sound.
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bombardier: You could claim that for Steam, but not GoG. Porn games on Steam are clearly marked as such and I managed to set my filtering options to not show them to me. On GoG there is no clear indication of porn games. You have to read through game description and even then it is not clear so you have to go online to make sure.
Either GoG is trying to trick users int buying porn games, or they are ashamed of selling them.
That's why I'm in favor of adding the ability to filter games by personal preference and completely hide what a certain user doesn't like - be it AO-games, simulators, sports, shooters, quests, etc. Expanding the functionality of the site is good, removal is bad

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JuWalk: I agree. But, on the other hand, what would you watch if good films of one genre or another were not allowed to be viewed due to the fact that there is enough garbage in this genre? For example, there are a lot of frankly stupid comedies or low-grade action films. Is this a reason to send all films of these genres to hell in general?
Actually, this is exactly what the curation of GoG is for - approve good games of any genre, and weed out not so good ones. Of course, sometimes they overdo it with refusals, but "treating" this by requiring even more restrictions is definitely a controversial undertaking.
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bombardier: You are being quite insincere when you talk about porn games as games instead of porn. Porn movies are movies as well, yet they are not screened in big multiplex cinemas.
There are two reasons for this:
1) Most porn movies are low quality bullshit. In the gaming industry, their analogues are the previously mentioned "put together a puzzle - you will see a naked girl", "strip poker" and other rubbish, the appearance of which in GoG I myself will never approve
2) Cinemas are usually oriented in one way or another to users of different ages. Including minors. But GoG is a store for adults (I quoted above the rules that everyone accepts when registering). So comparing GoG with cinemas, and even more so with Toys'R'Us, is a big nonsense.
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JuWalk: 1) Most porn movies are low quality bullshit. In the gaming industry, their analogues are the previously mentioned "put together a puzzle - you will see a naked girl", "strip poker" and other rubbish, the appearance of which in GoG I myself will never approve
2) Cinemas are usually oriented in one way or another to users of different ages. Including minors. But GoG is a store for adults (I quoted above the rules that everyone accepts when registering). So comparing GoG with cinemas, and even more so with Toys'R'Us, is a big nonsense.
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The clear demonstration that you are wrong about the superior quality of porn game is a simple visual identity test.
If you show a random person a screenshot from Psychonauts and Darkest Dungeons, then show them different screenshots from same games, he/she will unmistakably recognize which of the new screenshots belongs to which game.
I bet that even you will have trouble correctly identifying screenshots from different porn games.

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TOS has nothing to do with content being sold on a store. It is simply a result of complex mess of international laws regarding running an online service. It is there so that companies can cover their ass. It is much easier to pretend no minors are here because TOS forbids it, than to handle legal matter regarding those minors.

GoG has started as a old games store. Then they pivoted to DRM-free store. Now they are pivoting to porn game store, yet TOS limitations were the same from the start of the operation.
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GamezRanker: I've actually seen both of these over the years, bruh.
(sure the "lewd movies" are often softcore, and the magazines have a jacket/wrapper over em, but they're still sold)

Those are stores geared mainly to kids, bruh, so bad example :D
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bombardier: OP was saying that there is no legal ground for GoG to not sell these type of games so I was naming other examples of stores that are not prohibited to sell porn merchandise yet they still choose not to sell it.
wish gog would be one of them like in the good old days