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Oh that scum. Told you that it was suspect how after confirming me he stabbed me in the back.
Why shoot me? We'd be loosing a liberal that way (om confirmed by a scum, but still liberal). Since we know pooka is scum, imho we should execute him. It doesn't helps having him as a president in any way, nor chancellor if you aren't sure you'll pass a LL to him.
Ofc zfr could have a marvelous game as scum, especially since he is so fast in wanting to execute someone who was labeled earlier as unknown.
Again, if you shoot me, we gain nothing, actually we loose majority (scum will need to convince just one).
It also worries me how except joe everyone voted yes. Could it be that joe is liberal and thay pooka and lift are scum?
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blotunga: he is so fast in wanting to execute someone who was labeled earlier as unknown.
This sentence made me laugh.
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ZFR: Passed F L.
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rtcvb32: So the last 3 cards are FFF. Better to hang parliament and have it activate without being able to shoot anyone, unless we're pretty sure we can figure out who's fascist and/or Hitler. Either way the deck reshuffles afterwards.

I've got to figure out how to calculate these odds...

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ZFR: However he could be a liberal.
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rtcvb32: With this draw you should know i didn't have a choice in giving you the 2Fs.

As for Blot, got a bad feeling about him. Nothing i can point to, just a gut feeling.
Not sure why you're ganging up on me. Anwyay if you guys want,shoot me, scum will need then just 1 vote instead of 2 for majority. As I said earlier this game is dragging on for too long for my taste.
What a really rough night, couldn't manage to sleep well at all, and look what I wake up to! It's time to clear up things before more people jump onto conclusions.

No, I haven't been passed a "F L" as ZFR claims. I have been passed a FF. I had absolutely no choice in the matter. In fact, I find it highly suspect that ZFR mentioned only two cards of those he drew. I mean, that omitted third card is probably a F if he wants to keep the story and the odds consistent, but from my bad luck, the card he discarded could've been the L card he mentioned.

I mean, well played ZFR. You sure have us all fooled, hook, line and sinker. I knew something was suspect but didn't know it was from you specifically. So at this point in time, we have Joe, a likely fascist according to Lift (who I trust more than you) and there's you, from my own experience. I seriously wonder who the other two fascists are.

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blotunga: Oh that scum. Told you that it was suspect how after confirming me he stabbed me in the back.
Again, I don't find Flub particularly trustworthy, which both governments involving you also had, so I had to vote no to his involvement. Right now, there are two fascists I'm unsure of, one fascist I am 100% certain of, and another admitted by Lift, who is more or less the most trustworthy person on my mind right now.

I know for certain however that one thing is clear and nobody can argue against it: I am not Hitler. Assuming ZFR did discard a L, there's a very high likelihood of a 3F coming up, if not for that, then a random draw is also about the same danger. This means that ultimately, the final showdown will be at 4L-5F. The last government will be decisive, and it's for the better that we seek to execute Hitler rather than anyone accused of being a fascist.

I know blotunga is Liberal (something you didn't deny even after calling me scum), and that neither Lift nor myself are Hitler. Better to make your shots count.
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blotunga: Not sure why you're ganging up on me.
I'm not. I went down the list and i get more vibes from you/your name than anyone else.

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blotunga: As I said earlier this game is dragging on for too long for my taste.
Ditto. But ZFR will complain that i/we are complaining too much, so i won't extend this topic any further right now.
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PookaMustard: ...
I can actually prove it you're scum. To Lift with 100% certainty since he knows he's liberal. And to anyone who believes Lift is liberal:

Lift, for the record can you confirm I passed you FL?

Now, under the assumption Lift is liberal, is there any scenario where scum!ZFR would do it?

If I had FFL, wouldn't I better pass FF to Lift, create a conflict with him, strengthen Joe? Why on earth would I as scum pass a 4th L and confirm liberal Lift when I had a much better reputation than Lift at the time. Heck I could even claim FFF. Anything was better, than giving liberal lift FL.

And if I had LLF, wouldn't I as scum knowing that Lift was going to pass an L anyway, pass him LL so that he does not get confirmed?

QED.
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PookaMustard: So at this point in time, we have Joe, a likely fascist according to Lift (who I trust more than you)
Lol I just read this part. You trust Lift. And think Joe is scum

So let me get this straight: You believe that l, as a scum, in a situation where I had a stellar reputation, while Lift was tarnished by 2 fascist governments, and in direct conflict with my buddy Joe (who had a decent reputation having passed an L himself).

At this stage I chose Lift as my chancellor, completely cleaned his reputation, while completely discrediting my buddy, and passed a 4th L in the process.

Sounds legit.
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ZFR: OK.

If my theorem is correct, this pretty much further confirms Lift.

Dont want to shoot Pooka. He cant be Hitler and as an ousted fascist is harmless.

Joe is an option. Thing is I don't think he's Hitler... the way he's been acting.

rtcvb wins the Jury Would Most Like To Execute Award. If only for the constant complaining. However he could be a liberal.

What do you think about... blotunga?
Lift, especially interested in your opinion given your experience and the fact I can trust you. Blotunga: liberal, fascist or Hitler?
Getting a fascist is most important. Pooka's team is Joe and probably Blotunga. Blotunga is most likely to be Hitler out of the 3 although it could be Joe. I don't see why Pooka chooses to investigate and confirms Blotunga without Blotunga being Fascist and probably Hitler.

All 3 have to be barred from government, one has to be shot and we could win today if we get Hitler but you have to be sure he's fascist.
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zeogold: ZFR must shoot another player.
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ZFR: If I choose my good friend Joe, will you be kind on him with the flavour? Like he gets teleported out of the room into the Land of Free Ice Cream?
The rest I don't care about.

I'll factor this into my decision.
ALAKAZAM!
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supplementscene: Getting a fascist is most important. Pooka's team is Joe and probably Blotunga. Blotunga is most likely to be Hitler out of the 3 although it could be Joe. I don't see why Pooka chooses to investigate and confirms Blotunga without Blotunga being Fascist and probably Hitler.

All 3 have to be barred from government, one has to be shot and we could win today if we get Hitler but you have to be sure he's fascist.
Me, likely Hitler? Don't make me laugh. But if you don't believe me, go ahead and execute me. For me the game will be over, but you still get to vote a few more rounds (:evil_laughter:).

To my fellow liberals, just make a note about who are all ganging up to execute me (rtcb, zfr and scene). Yes, zfr was in 2 governments passing L, though all of them as president and most of the time drawing LLF.
Can someone other than one-track-scene give their input on what they think about scum!pooka clearing blotunga?

Blotunga, how about you? Any opinions on this other than your constant appeal to emotions "you'll all looooooose" and "I dont care; kill me if you want to"?
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supplementscene: Getting a fascist is most important. Pooka's team is Joe and probably Blotunga. Blotunga is most likely to be Hitler out of the 3 although it could be Joe. I don't see why Pooka chooses to investigate and confirms Blotunga without Blotunga being Fascist and probably Hitler.

All 3 have to be barred from government, one has to be shot and we could win today if we get Hitler but you have to be sure he's fascist.
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blotunga: Me, likely Hitler? Don't make me laugh. But if you don't believe me, go ahead and execute me. For me the game will be over, but you still get to vote a few more rounds (:evil_laughter:).

To my fellow liberals, just make a note about who are all ganging up to execute me (rtcb, zfr and scene). Yes, zfr was in 2 governments passing L, though all of them as president and most of the time drawing LLF.
So you're scumreading ZFR, Me and RtSCV because we suspect you? Presumably you consider Pooka liberal then? If Pooka is Liberal and ZFR is Scum this turns the game on it's head. But given Pooka has now passed 2 Fascist policies and ZFR has passed 3 Liberal and only 1 Fascist now he's paired with Pooka.....well I believe ZFR

I'm not sure if this is a desperate Secret Hitler post from you. Because there's no analysis, just 'look at the people who are accusing me'
When I analyzed stuff in detail I was labeled as scum. So do I want that? No. And It's not an appeal.

If you go back a lot of pages you will notice that I had no intention to have a pooka government, lobbied and voted against it. So there is that.

I have no idea why a scum pooka would clear a liberal, I guess to gain cred, you possibly might've avoided him in a further government if he disagreed with me. Though lift did the same and got to be in a government.

Also keep in mind that Pooka, as opposed to me has a lot of experience in Secret Hitler and both Mafia, for me it's my second game, so I might've been overly enthusiastic at the beginning, especially since in my first game I was last at the table and Hitler at that, with no chance of doing much. So probably he figured that if he goes down at some point, he takes down a liberal too with himself.
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blotunga: When I analyzed stuff in detail I was labeled as scum. So do I want that? No. And It's not an appeal.

If you go back a lot of pages you will notice that I had no intention to have a pooka government, lobbied and voted against it. So there is that.

I have no idea why a scum pooka would clear a liberal, I guess to gain cred, you possibly might've avoided him in a further government if he disagreed with me. Though lift did the same and got to be in a government.

Also keep in mind that Pooka, as opposed to me has a lot of experience in Secret Hitler and both Mafia, for me it's my second game, so I might've been overly enthusiastic at the beginning, especially since in my first game I was last at the table and Hitler at that, with no chance of doing much. So probably he figured that if he goes down at some point, he takes down a liberal too with himself.
I'll ask again do you think ZFR or Pooka to be the fascist from you're perspective?
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supplementscene: I'll ask again do you think ZFR or Pooka to be the fascist from you're perspective?
Most likely pooka. Shoot him if you want. If ZFR is scum, he played very well so far.