ashwald: It's very very unlikely that random.org would pick names that correspond to ZFR's biases so accurately.
Wait a minute. Look exactly at when that post was made. I had no bias then.
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/secret_hitler_1_legend_of_the_cows/post451 RW's first post "supporting" me came after it, adalia was "linked" with our "team" even later, and my bias against greek came only very recently (around the time of his second presidency).
Back then RW was being groomed as the most likely stepping stone to a quick cycle-back-to-greek, while adalia has just replaced cristi and barely made a post or two. How could I have any bias against either of them??? The only one I was biased against was Scene.
No, if anything your statement should be "It's very very unlikely that random.org would pick names that correspond to
what later would become ZFR's biases so accurately." And Brasas pointed out that I have a bias for RW and adalia and against greek and a correlation is important whether for or against.
But at this point I have a bias for almost everyone. I have a bias for kusu, who Brasas said was likely the hidden Hitler, and I have a strong bias agains scene, and dedo for being on Brasas's "team". Only Lift is kind of neutral and blotunga is absent. So out of 8 people (10 players minus me and Brasas), there are 6 against who correspond to a "bias", so picking 3 from this pool is not so unlikely.
What this is is just an example of
Apophenia. Whatever names random.org had picked back then would have looked somewhat "suspicious" later on. And this is from someone who does AI and data analysis for a living (and incidentally, yes I do use random.org professionally; I even mentioned it in some work related thread a year or two ago, but can't find it now; anyone remembers? Adalia, I think you were part of that discussion too).
It's like "pick a random number from 1 to 10" and then saying how can 1 be random? Or 10? Or 5 which is just in the middle? Or lucky 7, or the devil's 6...
Rested now? Had your fill of pussy and gold? OK, let's take a closer look at your bulletproof case. You keep saying that no liberal would act the way I did, ignoring my answer that my statement was so sarcastic that I absolutely didn't think anyone would take it seriously.
But let me humour you, forget about that, and show you that there is absolutely no way a fascist would make the "shitpost" I did.
I can see a fascist shitposting and telling everyone he's fascist and the names of his "buddies". But if that happens, one of the following has to be true:
A) He cracked. He's had enough and is just throwing the game.
B) It's a carefully thought out and crafted post meant to mindfuck and create conflict.
Either is valid for a fascist, but they're mutually exclusive. It's either-or. If I'm not mistaken, you believe I did (A), but so that I'm not accused of purposely misinterpreting you, I"m going to analyze both.
Let's say A is true. I cracked and did a "screw you guys, I'm going home", giving away my team. But if that were the case then greek had to be on my team too! If I put there his name as a sort of mind fuck and to create conflicts, then that would point at a carefully crafted post. Do you really a guy cracking, giving up on the game, giving away two of his team members, but then deciding he'd instead implicate an innocent so his team can win the game?
And there is more. Look at that post (linked above - 451). It's a huge wall of text with multiple quotes (which had to be manually copy pasted since post merging is not allowed). Is that the post someone who just cracked and wants to say "screw you!" makes? I'd just have typed my final sentence. Look at the posts I make a bit later. Are these the posts someone who gave up on the game makes?
And something much more important. Why did my "teammates" RW and adalia react the way they did. Why not bus me??? They could do so easily. RW was set up to be the next president while cycling back to greek. All he had to do is do nothing. adalia has just come in to replace silent-cristi. He could easily distance himself too.
Really? You're saying a fascist cracks up, posts his 2 team members names, and those two instead of bussing him, or at least create some form of conflict and distancing,
both of them decide to support him instead??? And we're talking about highly experienced adalia and RW here. And they had plenty of opportunity.
And additionally look at RW the person. Is it his nature. Someone from his team screwed up his game and instead of "fuck you, screw you too", he becomes supportive.
No, the only reason for not bussing that fascist would be if that fascist was Hitler. I won't repeat how as Hitler I wouldn't have created the stink around me by rejecting kusu's nomination, there is soemthing much more important. As Hitler I wouldn't have known adalia and RW were my teammates (there was absolutely no indication on them back then)! The only way I'd have picked them as Hitler is if I got lucky and randomly happened to hit two of my teammates.
But that contradicts your assumption that my picks weren't random. If Hitler-ZFR could randomly hit adalia and RW then so could Liberal-ZFR. So let's look at (B). I didn't crack up, but this is a carefully crafted plan I made. But this doesn't hold either. If this was so, why did I risk giving up two names of my teammates. If I meant creating mindfuck conflicts, I would have given 3 liberal names, or 2 liberal + one teammate for WIFOM potential. But why give up two of them if I could achieve the same thing by giving up one (or zero), at a much smaller risk?
And if B is true, the point about them not bussing me still stands. Just like above.
So, Brasas. You've repeatedly said how the way I acted could only indicate I'm fascist. Forget about me for a moment and answer me, if your theory was true, how on earth would veteran mafia players adalia and RW act the way they did, the latter of whom was on everyone's good graces and didn't even need to bus me. All he needed is do nothing and not support me.
