Posted April 06, 2018
OK. I have time now to write my thoughts in more detail
(Disclaimer, this is my second Mafia and first Secret Hitler game, but I played Resistance till the cows went home).
I wish I knew how experienced the other players are, because other than the people I saw at Mafia (Lift, dedo, RWarehall...) I can't tell.
Anyway,
blotunga: So we can be fairly certain that our ex-president and ex-chancellor were liberals. Otherwise a fascist president would've nominated a fascist buddy/Hitler as chancellor. In Resistance, no spy in their right mind would vote Fail on the first mission of the first game with new people. I've seen it happen in later games, once we have played through a few rounds already, as a gambit to try something different or when a few experienced players who know each other play with some newbies to throw them off. But in almost all cases first game in new crowd means first round passes.
Now this is different than Resistance, since as blotunga said you could claim you got 3 fascist cards, but it would still be not worth it. If both government members were fascists this would put both of them under heavy suspicion, essentially exposing 50% of their team. I don't think it's worth it. I just don't see it.
On the first round, a fascist who is in a government with a liberal, might enact a fascist policy, since he can try and wiggle out of it "I blame the other guy", "I only got fascist cards", "I only did it so I get a special power at least"... etc. But two fascists? They'd be throwing too much suspicion on themselves.
So, going back to blotunga's statement would a "a fascist president would've nominated a fascist buddy/Hitler as chancellor"?
a) Would he do it in order to pass a fascist policy? No way in hell! He'd be putting both of them under suspicion (50% of the team); and it's an unnecessary risk, since there is a pretty good chance he'd get 2 fascist policies anyway which he can pass to a liberal chancellor, thus he'd achieve same goal of passing a fascist policy without putting 2 fascists under suspicion.
b) Would he do it in order to pass a liberal policy? Yes! This way both appear as members in good standing.
(Incidentally, in case of (a) the fascist president would never choose Hitler, while in case of (b) he might.)
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Another thought, I mentioned it in my previous mafia game, that in Resistance, when playing a new game with a new crowd or with inexperienced players, usually the one who talks most... etc is a spy. And in this game, greek reminded me of that type of player. Especially later with his "elect us again", "vote for Brasas" (though to be honest my gut feeling is that Brasas is liberal due to his NO vote), "mr scene should nominate me"... etc and on top of that blotunga's "the two guys are clearly liberal" statement. It might be an indication that if greek is fascist his buddy blotunga is supporting him, but this seems way too obvious. On another hand I think that if blotunga and greek were fascist buddies they'd try to distance themselves, not the other way round. Not 100% sure what to think here (information on how experience in Resistance/Mafia these two players have would be helpful here!)
(And this is not saying I greek is fascist, as I said this could be just fluff).
My 2 cents.
(Disclaimer, this is my second Mafia and first Secret Hitler game, but I played Resistance till the cows went home).
I wish I knew how experienced the other players are, because other than the people I saw at Mafia (Lift, dedo, RWarehall...) I can't tell.
Anyway,
Now this is different than Resistance, since as blotunga said you could claim you got 3 fascist cards, but it would still be not worth it. If both government members were fascists this would put both of them under heavy suspicion, essentially exposing 50% of their team. I don't think it's worth it. I just don't see it.
On the first round, a fascist who is in a government with a liberal, might enact a fascist policy, since he can try and wiggle out of it "I blame the other guy", "I only got fascist cards", "I only did it so I get a special power at least"... etc. But two fascists? They'd be throwing too much suspicion on themselves.
So, going back to blotunga's statement would a "a fascist president would've nominated a fascist buddy/Hitler as chancellor"?
a) Would he do it in order to pass a fascist policy? No way in hell! He'd be putting both of them under suspicion (50% of the team); and it's an unnecessary risk, since there is a pretty good chance he'd get 2 fascist policies anyway which he can pass to a liberal chancellor, thus he'd achieve same goal of passing a fascist policy without putting 2 fascists under suspicion.
b) Would he do it in order to pass a liberal policy? Yes! This way both appear as members in good standing.
(Incidentally, in case of (a) the fascist president would never choose Hitler, while in case of (b) he might.)
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Another thought, I mentioned it in my previous mafia game, that in Resistance, when playing a new game with a new crowd or with inexperienced players, usually the one who talks most... etc is a spy. And in this game, greek reminded me of that type of player. Especially later with his "elect us again", "vote for Brasas" (though to be honest my gut feeling is that Brasas is liberal due to his NO vote), "mr scene should nominate me"... etc and on top of that blotunga's "the two guys are clearly liberal" statement. It might be an indication that if greek is fascist his buddy blotunga is supporting him, but this seems way too obvious. On another hand I think that if blotunga and greek were fascist buddies they'd try to distance themselves, not the other way round. Not 100% sure what to think here (information on how experience in Resistance/Mafia these two players have would be helpful here!)
(And this is not saying I greek is fascist, as I said this could be just fluff).
My 2 cents.
