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General discussionRemoved from catalog: Fallout 1, 2, & Tactics(1041 posts)(1041 posts)
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Posted December 31, 2013
Today, we bid farewell to the legendary post-apocalyptic 2D classics.

Due to circumstances beyond our control, we needed to pull the three classic Fallout games, that is Fallout, Fallout 2, and Fallout Tactics, from sale and remove them from our DRM-free catalog. These classic titles have been with us since day one, that is for over 5 years now, and they were always one of the highlights of the selection of games that we offer. There are very few titles in the history of computer role-playing games, that have had so much impact on the gaming landscape, players' expectations, and even the popular culture. The iconic setting, the memorable quotes, and unparalleled amount of fun and challenge these games provide--it's all burned in the memory of a whole generation of gamers. Probably even more than just one generation. It was an honor to have you here, Fallout. Take good care of yourself out there, try not to mistake a gecko for G.E.C.K. (not even remotely the same thing!), and remember to take your Rad-X pills!

<img src="http://www.gog.com/upload/images/2013/12/0100650e79ca7799caa0064b2e2611a62396ed6f.png">

All those who acquired Fallout, Fallout 2, or Fallout Tactics on GOG.com prior to the date of removal (that is before Tuesday, December 31st 2013, at 3:59PM GMT), will still be able to download the games' install files (as well as the bonus content) via the "My Games" section of their user accounts. Gift-codes for these three games acquired in our recent giveaway are no longer valid. However, if you own a gift-code for any or all of them that was purchased outside of the said giveaway, you'll still be able to redeem it in the foreseeable future.

We sincerely apologize for all the inconvenience this situation may have caused you. We invite you to browse through 671 other fantastic titles offered in our DRM-free catalog of the best games in history, and we wish you a Happy New Year of gaming!
Posted January 01, 2014
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Breja: People in general often enjoy having their rights and freedoms limited and taken away, when offered in return simple convenience or some useless trinkets (in this case- achievements and social features). The fact they enjoy it doesn't make it right. Not only is it wrong in principle, it causes harm to others, as the fact that majority is so keen on having their rights trampled makes it possible to trample everyones rights. In this case, the fact so many people don't mind DRM made it possible for DRM to become so prevalent in todays gaming.

I know the above paragraph may sound ridiculously grandiose in context of video games, but I belive the prinicple still applies, regardless of the subject matter.
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Neobr10: You're being kind of pretentious, aren't you? Telling people what's right and wrong and what not, making it sound like a black and white issue of morality. But this isn't how things work.

Who are you to say that achievements and social features are useless? They might be useless to you, but there are many people that do care about them. The achievements thing was started by Microsoft with the Xbox 360, and most gaming companies have incorporated it in one way or another (Steam copied the idea and Sony made the trophies for PS3 games). The fact that it became so popular does indicate that it's far from being useless. There are even communities on the Xbox 360 dedicated to finding games with easily obtained achievements just to boost gamerscore. I don't give a fuck about achievements myself, but saying that achievements are useless is ridiculous. Unless you really want to dictate what people should enjoy and what they shouldn't.
Band-wagoning. It may be "popular" to claim that "having DRM, not having a demo, or being too expensive" gives people free pass to pirate a game, but it does not make it "an appropriate tool in marketing games."

You also skipped over the deeper issue being presented, that players were trading their "freedoms" for "entertainment." Let us thus ask why we're on GOG.com getting DRM-free games rather than buying them cheaper off of eBay or Amazon? Are we saying that we enjoy the "freedom" that DRM-free games provide over DRM-Laden games?

The question hence is whether corporations should be allowed to blatantly lie and appeal to what some people perceive to be fun, in order to further their goal of controlling your game library with DRM.


Is it our "moral imperative" to speak out against the injustice that the defenders of DRM impose upon others? Should we actually invoke philosophy here, and talk of wise men of old?

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Breja: The fact they enjoy it doesn't make it right.
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Neobr10: How not? Games are entertainment, people just buy what they enjoy. Period. Why should everyone be forced to go on a political crusade about things that they do not care? Games for me are about having fun, i already have serious issues to deal with in my ordinary life. I don't want to turn my gaming into a political agenda about issues that i don't care.

Steam offers features that people want. If DRM was so intrusive and prevented people from enjoying their legally purchased games, they would buy games elsewhere. There are many digital platforms out there. If Steam is the biggest platform it's because the pros outweigh the cons for the majority of people.

By the way, stop trying to turn your personal opinion into a fact. The fact that you think Steam is horrible doesn't make it an undeniable fact. And the fact that you care about DRM doesn't mean that everyone has to, especially when taking into consideraton that Steam is the least intrusive out there.
Steam is the least intrusive?
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1624834

Steam is spyware. To use Steam, you agree to allow valve access to any information they can gather about your computer.

Steam is Adware. Thankfully they stopped the whole aggressive pop-ups to get you to buy things, but the aim of the DRM is to continually sell you more games.

Steam offers no "update reversal" thus leaving people screwed should they encounter problems with a recent update.

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But let's also point out the effect of ADVERTISING and MARKETING. Steam holds a large market share because it forced people to use it to PLAY valve games (Adware). Upon that steam aggressively secured many easily acquired game rights and made a name for itself. People don't HAVE to use Amazon / eBay / Google... but they've been brainwashed into believing them to be the best service due to the shear popularity of said services (again, bandwagoning.)


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Breja: Not only is it wrong in principle, it causes harm to others, as the fact that majority is so keen on having their rights trampled makes it possible to trample everyones rights.
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Neobr10: Principle? Which principle? It causes harm to who? People have been enjoying their legally purchased games on Steam for years, who exactly is it causing harm to?
Acclimation
As people become use to a concept, they are unlikely to question the downsides of said concept and further unlikely to seek alternatives.


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Neobr10: What's next? Valve killed jews during WW2?
Uhh, Yeah... don't you read the interwebs?


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Melhelix: Actually.... <span class="bold">it has.</span> After they stopped selling Order of War: Challenge, Steam then went through and eradicated it completely from all user libraries; no refund, no warning, no nothing. It's a weird case and it got kind of buried, but it has occurred in the past which means it will occur in the future. It's always a good practice to make back ups of games that have been pulled from a service. Can't hurt to burn em on a jump drive or a cd and stash them somewhere.
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Neobr10: But that's a completely different case. The game you mentioned was removed because it was always-online and the servers were shut down, rendering the game unplayable. But no game there has ever been removed because of legal issues.
So you're saying the game could not be modded, private servers not run, and that you're fine with losing your purchase over "minute squabbling."
Posted January 01, 2014
Bethesda could redeem their mistakes and bring Fallout back to GOG. Also Bethesda should bring a lot of their old stuff to GOG, like Wayne Gretzky Hockey 1-3 and Hockey League Simulator 2.
Posted January 01, 2014
Zenimax!!! You will pay for this!!!
Posted January 01, 2014
A plague on whomever is responsible for this. Fallout 1 and 2 are my favorite games of all time.
Posted January 01, 2014
Frankly, to hell with them and to hell with any studio or company that tries to pull this crap. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Posted January 01, 2014
I am disappoint, Bethesda. But them I'm disappointed with every bug-riddled consolized mess you release.
Posted January 01, 2014
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ElPrimordial: Zenimax!!! You will pay for this!!!
They already have. That's why Interplay can't sell it anymore.
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nifehed: A plague on whomever is responsible for this. Fallout 1 and 2 are my favorite games of all time.
GOG and Interplay are responsible for this.
Post edited January 01, 2014 by Fenixp
Posted January 01, 2014
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Merranvo: Band-wagoning. It may be "popular" to claim that "having DRM, not having a demo, or being too expensive" gives people free pass to pirate a game, but it does not make it "an appropriate tool in marketing games."
What?

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Merranvo: You also skipped over the deeper issue being presented, that players were trading their "freedoms" for "entertainment." Let us thus ask why we're on GOG.com getting DRM-free games rather than buying them cheaper off of eBay or Amazon? Are we saying that we enjoy the "freedom" that DRM-free games provide over DRM-Laden games?
Freedom? What are you talking about? You are still free to buy your games in whatever store you want. Since when Valve is forcing you to buy from Steam? If you don't like Steam's DRM (and i have to add that THERE ARE DRM-free games on Steam), vote with yor wallet. There's nothing wrong with it. There's GOG, Dotemu, Humble Store and Shiny Loot offering DRM-free games.

And what do you mean by "we"? I'm on GOG for old games, not DRM-free. And there are other users who are here for the same reason.

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Merranvo: The question hence is whether corporations should be allowed to blatantly lie and appeal to what some people perceive to be fun, in order to further their goal of controlling your game library with DRM.

Is it our "moral imperative" to speak out against the injustice that the defenders of DRM impose upon others? Should we actually invoke philosophy here, and talk of wise men of old?
Injustice where? Jesus, it's just games. It's not like Valve is using slaves to work for them or anything. And again, why should i care about something that i don't? I'm fine with Steam's DRM, at least it's the least intrusive out there and publishers abandoned SecuROM, Tages, and other worse DRM in favor of Steam. Yeah, i know the risks. I know all the crap about how Steam could suddenly take away all the games and whatever. And no, i don't care. I only buy games on Steam with large discounts (or from bundles). I only pay full price for physical games (for consoles, mostly). Digital games for me don't hold as much value as physical copies, so i don't really care that much if it has DRM or not.

I draw the line at always-online. Always-online is the only DRM method i don't accept. But this is my opinion, and you are free to disagree with it, just stop trying to ridicule my view or forcing me to believe in what you want to believe. It just won't work.


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Merranvo: Steam is spyware. To use Steam, you agree to allow valve access to any information they can gather about your computer.

Steam is Adware. Thankfully they stopped the whole aggressive pop-ups to get you to buy things, but the aim of the DRM is to continually sell you more games.

Steam offers no "update reversal" thus leaving people screwed should they encounter problems with a recent update.
Whatever, you are free to believe in what you want to believe. But don't expect me to buy into conspiracy theory BS.

Steam holds a large market share because it forced people to use it to PLAY valve games (Adware).
By your logic Origin would have one the biggest market shares right now because it forced people to use it to play Battlefield and Mass Effect 3 (same goes for Ubisoft). I don't think that was actually the case.

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Merranvo: Upon that steam aggressively secured many easily acquired game rights and made a name for itself. People don't HAVE to use Amazon / eBay / Google... but they've been brainwashed into believing them to be the best service due to the shear popularity of said services (again, bandwagoning.)
"Brainwashed"? Of course, if you actually like a service that's popular you're automatically "brainwashed". How do you expect me to take you seriously with ridiculous fallacies such as this one? Stop trying to ridicule my arguments. I like Steam because i enjoy the features it offers and it has the best deals for me (thanks to regional pricing). I'm on GOG for old games, not DRM-free.

Do you really want me to believe that i can't enjoy Steam just because it's popular? And if i do i'm "brainwashed"? I don't even know why i'm still wasting my time with you. It's certainly not worth it.


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Merranvo: Acclimation
As people become use to a concept, they are unlikely to question the downsides of said concept and further unlikely to seek alternatives.
Why don't you answer my question? Who is being harmed? So i can't buy any game from Steam anymore because some people don't like it? Is that it? Talk about absurd exaggeration.

And since we're going for stupid exaggerations, let's talk about the PC you have there which has componentes produced in China by underpaid workers under horrible working conditions. Don't you think you're harming them?


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Merranvo: So you're saying the game could not be modded, private servers not run, and that you're fine with losing your purchase over "minute squabbling."
You really enjoy naming fallacies don't you? So let me point out that one for you:
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman
I never said it was fine to take down the game because it doesn't work anymore. I'm just saying that it is NOT related to the case we're discussing here. Order of War was taken down because it simply doesn't work anymore, not because of legal issues.
Posted January 01, 2014
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I planned to buy more games with you. But you have just lost a customer. With a copy that does not happen.
Posted January 01, 2014
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maxirafer: I planned to buy more games with you. But you have just lost a customer. With a copy that does not happen.
GOG does not need a customer like you, one who would leave because of something they had no control over. Good riddance.
Post edited January 01, 2014 by godzizzle
Posted January 01, 2014
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maxirafer: I planned to buy more games with you. But you have just lost a customer. With a copy that does not happen.
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godzizzle: GOG does not need a customer like you, one who would leave because of something they had no control over. Good riddance.
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Posted January 01, 2014
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nifehed: A plague on whomever is responsible for this. Fallout 1 and 2 are my favorite games of all time.
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Fenixp: GOG and Interplay are responsible for this.
Is this true? Who owns the rights on Fallout 1 & 2 currently? Interplay died so many deaths it's hard to follow. What part does Bethestha have in this?

GOG.com, can you not publish the honest details of what caused this to your clearly extremely dedicated following? Don't tell me you have a gag order, and don't tell me you agreed to sign a contract that would keep your customers in the dark about your dealings, because that would infuriate most of them.
Posted January 01, 2014
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Fenixp: GOG and Interplay are responsible for this.
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lhunath: Is this true? Who owns the rights on Fallout 1 & 2 currently? Interplay died so many deaths it's hard to follow. What part does Bethestha have in this?

GOG.com, can you not publish the honest details of what caused this to your clearly extremely dedicated following? Don't tell me you have a gag order, and don't tell me you agreed to sign a contract that would keep your customers in the dark about your dealings, because that would infuriate most of them.
No, Interplay played no part in this. It was Bethesda refusing to sign a contract with GOG(so far). Bethesda owns any and all rights relating to the Fallout franchise.
Posted January 01, 2014
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Fenixp: GOG and Interplay are responsible for this.
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lhunath: Is this true? Who owns the rights on Fallout 1 & 2 currently? Interplay died so many deaths it's hard to follow. What part does Bethestha have in this?

GOG.com, can you not publish the honest details of what caused this to your clearly extremely dedicated following? Don't tell me you have a gag order, and don't tell me you agreed to sign a contract that would keep your customers in the dark about your dealings, because that would infuriate most of them.
When Interplay sold Fallout to Bethesda they retained the rights to make a Fallout MMO and the rights to sell the first three games. After a series of lawsuits, Bethesda acquired the rights to the Fallout MMO and Interplay's rights to sell FO, FO2, and FO Tactics expired at midnight.

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Kristian: No, Interplay played no part in this. It was Bethesda refusing to sign a contract with GOG(so far). Bethesda owns any and all rights relating to the Fallout franchise.
No, Interplay played the only part in this, in that they lost the rights to sell the game. If you have evidence that Bethesda has even been approached with a contract, present it.
Post edited January 01, 2014 by godzizzle
Posted January 01, 2014
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lhunath: Is this true? Who owns the rights on Fallout 1 & 2 currently? Interplay died so many deaths it's hard to follow. What part does Bethestha have in this?
As I understand it, the facts are these:
- Interplay, when they still had the rights to sell Fallout games, signed a deal with GOG that ended ... Well, yesterday.
- Interplay has sold off the rights to sell Fallout games to Bethesda, but the deal with GOG still stands at the time
- Interplay pulled some shady shit and still used the license, even tho they have not owned it anymore -> Bethesda sued Interplay. Courts confirmed that Bethesda has the full rights to Fallout franchise.
- Now, the deal with Interplay has ended, and Bethesda doesn't have interest in dealing with GOG. Unfortunate, but Bethesda doesn't actually have any history with GOG, and no obligation to sell games trough this store.

Quite honestly, I have no clue why people feel the need to constantly throw the blame around - Interplay went bankrupt, by their own inapt business practices. It doesn't matter who got the rights to Fallout, the deal with Interplay would end now regardless - and I'll much rather see a gaming company clearly having the rights than Fallout games ending in a legal limbo, sold off to a lawyer firm or a bank.

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godzizzle: ....
If I understand it correctl, Fallout franchise actually got sold to Bethesda twice
Post edited January 01, 2014 by Fenixp
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