I wasn't overly too keen on Fallout 3, however, I did rather enjoy New Vegas. While I didn't like it as much as I did Fallout 1, and 2, it was still an enjoyable experience for it's own merits. Keep in mind this is just my opinion, and you may find Fallout 3 enjoyable. I hope that's of some help to you. :)

Play both. Unless you are on a deserted island, just play them in order - you will get to the other one eventually

Oh that sweet, sweet ghoul mask, how I love that thing. I used to use it consistently to save myself ammo in areas I didn't need/want to expend my resources. :D

I love how even the gaming press is basically urging Bethesda to put these back on gog, where they belong.

http://www.pcgamer.com/2014/01/03/bethesda-working-to-get-classic-fallout-games-back-onto-steam-say-theyll-look-at-other-options/

Bethesda could use this "opportunity" to not only return a beloved series to it's rightful place but also add more than that.

Would be great if they add some of their own titles such as the first few games in The Elder Scrolls. I would love to buy The Elders Scrolls 1 / 2 / Battlespire and Redguard packed nicely by GOG as we know it. I can always dream can I? :D

I hope they'll make the right choice when the time comes.

The main difference, the Xbox One is a big deal, Microsoft could stand to potentially lose billions, if they don't keep people happy.

Bethesda is just gonna bat the crybabies away like flies, and not feel any ill effects from this.

Elder Scrolls Online (aka Please Pierce My Genitals with Hot Bits of Wire While Taking My Money) 60.
One year subscription to the hot wire genital piercing service. 180. (Maybe 150 if you settle in for a whole year of self mutilation at once.)
Skyrim 2:Bigger Worlds, Blander Stories - 60.
Fallout 4:Beating The Horse That We Killed, Then Doing Our Best Mr. Ed Impersonation While Fisting It Like A Rotting Sock Puppet - 60.
Total cost per customer (total loss to Bethesda for each person who walks away) at present - 330.
330 dollars, times 100,000 people who are similarly sick of their overhyped garbage? 33 million dollars.

What a sad day for the gaming community...

Any company that refuses to listen to the legitimate complaints of their customers and label them as "crybabies" are not only arrogant, but also short sighted and stupid.

Do you know which company did exactly that and is now is dire financial situation? Capcom. After years of ignoring their customers, cancelling one Megaman game after another, creating abusive DLC practices, ruining their flagship Resident Evil franchise, marginalizing their life long fans and driving their top talent away (Shinji Mikami and Keiji Inafune) the company is in shambles and all because Capcom precisely thought that their customer's complaints where "flies to bat away" as you put it. Well guess what? The "flies" flew away and took their money to spend it elsewhere.

If Bethesda continues to piss off customers and maintains arrogant policies as it has, you can be assured, a lot of people will not buy any game made by them to the point the effects will be noticed.

This is chililng, to say the least.

The war with DRM isn't necessarily because people want to pirate out duplicates of what they've purchased, but because DRM is a pain in the butt to juggle in the first place.

By way of introduction, I initially joined GOG for the fully functioning Myst titles (and generally do not participate in chats or comments sections). Fallout 3 was on the shelves then. Here are my personal convictions based on this incident and what I've learned from confirming other users' comments.

- Never will I join Steam--if it is true that they don't modernize the games but leave that to the developers, then they aren't doing nearly the work that GOG does. It is work on Steam's part to juggle all the DRM checks, but why go to that trouble if the games don't run on current machines. (Because of the "but will it play crysis?" that was popular when Crysis came out and hardware was turning over, I would joke with my co-workers as we looked at hardware upgrades, "But will it play Myst?" That was just before I discovered GOG.) For the servers Steam runs, since they don't actually do much beyond distribution, they seem more like a log-in napster with lots of security, and thus not worth the money. (This also makes me more willing to buy from GOG when things are not on sale.)

- Never join Steam, but this time it's guilt by association on my part. After seeing the issue-dodging Twit comments from Bethesda, I don't like the money-grubbing practice on Bethesda's part. They strike me as the counterpart to Patent hounds--the guys who sue but don't invent anything themselves. Bethesda would answer that Steam was their focus "at this time," dodging the obvious issue being asked, whether they had intentions of getting back to GOG. Avoiding the obvious is deceitful. It's one thing to run a business to make a profit, it's another to lie by omission and be deceitful with people. All Bethesda had to say to maintain my trust was, for example and if this was the case, that they had not decided yet regarding GOG.

- Buy things, mostly. There is a caveat, later. I was a little interested in Fallout, and it went on sale since I joined GOG. I get the idea that I should buy games that I'm remotely interested in while I can afford any and just in case they disappear. So, and please excuse using myself as the example here, I need to decide on a broader outer limit to my interest and take more of a risk in buying games within that broader, riskier limit. However, that means using sale prices more. I'll give that caveat in a minute...

So, these are the conclusions that came to me really easily while reading some of the discussion and comments that were the fallout of Fallout. Some comments are pretty emotional, taking such things as Bethesda's behaviour almost personally (a touch narcissistic). Games aren't the meaning of life. They're entertainment. Some would say that entertainment is the substitute for true Joy, or the distraction from the lack of real joy/happiness.

While I'm not actually much of a "gamer," even someone who has submitted his identity to what the gaming world says he should be needs to keep things in perspective. These are just games, not life itself. So I can't buy Fallout now without some money going to Bethesda, even if it does come back to GOG. So what?! Do without. No one is suffering just by lacking certain specific games in his life. So even with my broader limit on what interests me, I don't actually "need" to buy games. That limit isn't too terribly broad anyway, and I probably would have tried Fallout if I had time. That's the other issue. Gaming is not a life. I would like to introduce my kids to games that let you think, like Myst and Riven. Random, arbitrary "puzzles" don't fit the healthy logic of good puzzle adventure games. My nephew things a "puzzle" in his FPS games is the side rout he accidentally found hidden behind a bush. That's sad. I showed him Myst, but he was repulsed by having to think and the lack of instant gratification. What I see in the gamer community (but not as a rule, maybe it's 40/60 or 80/20, for sure those who scream the loudest as if they were being tortured) is a confusion over priorities and proportion--a lack of understanding what things really are. The same thing exists in broader society, but it's easier to spot in entertainment-based communities. (A non-gaming example is those who are up in arms over The X-Files not coming out on Blu-Ray (yet) because of how/when the film-to-video transfer was done in the editing process for most of the seasons.) For those people who need to understand this concept, gaming is not the meaning of your lives. If you think it is, you're missing a large portion of life. Think about it this way. If you game with friends, you remember it together. It's the interaction with other people that matters, not that you consume all the entertainment you can for a cheaply as possible (my caveat to buying anything before it disappears is that there's no point to it--I can buy more than I can consume and consuming isn't the meaning of life). I say all this as someone who really loves getting into a game (or book) and exploring the world there. So what that the DRM vampires are trying to control you. Boycott them. Quit Steam. If you are looking for a way to spend your time since a game isn't on GOG (yet), then read a book and get into what the culture was before electronics took over. You'll find yourself understanding a lot more in life than just the mere pop-culture reference--like how people really think and work. In fact, you may enjoy games better because they'll have their proper place. As an adult, which I hope you younger guys aspire to be real men and not just over-sized boys, you won't have time for games as much if you're truly responsible. As a child, we should be preparing to be adults, be growing up. Games should have their proper place. You aren't wounded just because someone migrated their distribution. Their actions speak of their character, not about you (narcissist?). For those who take DRM-free to mean you-should-because-you-can pirate your buddy's downloads or let him pirate yours, remember, if you have to steal entertainment, you don't need it.

My buddy and I played Riven on his PS a long time ago. It was great and we had some laughs. We also played music together and I did some recording engineering for him (taught him a little on how to produce). Riven wasn't the meaning of life. Sorry for those who planned on getting Fallout in the near future. It's disappointing when our plans vaporize like that. Still, I really appreciate what GOG does and the new-to-me games they have. I've already picked up a few more. I'll get to them eventually. Some may not turn out to be what I hoped. Thanks, GOG, for making them available.

Thanks for reading my rant, especially those of you who already understood,

Mike
1 Cor 15:1-4

If all you were doing was just saying, why say it at all? What you choose to call "racist" is between you and yours.

First of all - nice post, and welcome to the boards.

They don't, actually - Steam itself is not DRM, CEG is. And CEG implementation is up to developer, not up to Steam. So, if you don't count the form of distribution (i. e. you have to download the game via Steam and be registered with them. Oh, and before somebody decides to drop the Mjolnir at my head - if you think that's definition of DRM, fine, it's DRM, I really don't care to argue about this.), there's a fair share of titles on Steam that are completely DRM-free - as in you copy them over to a different computer and they will work. This especially applies for the older titles as nobody seems to be bothered to include DRM - not that I mind. Actually, even the game that has started it all, Half-Life 2, can be freely copied to different computers and played without any form of DRM as Valve has recently removed it.

The person writing those tweets is most likely some poor tech support guy who risks his job by revealing information he has no clue about - and I would guess his information sources are extremely limited. I know quite well how it is, been there done that, so I wouldn't really blame them - altho I do admit that GOG's approach, that is to just not say anything at all, is a bit better.

Yup, there most definitely are posts which almost go on crusades over all this, but I don't think it's due to lack of perspective - I find that a lot of people like to vent real-life issues and frustrations on the internet, and when you give them a punching bag, especially a massive corporate punching bag, they will gladly jump on it. I can imagine there are some kids who get worked up over this without it serving as a catalyst (is that a word?), but ... You know ... They have the right to learn the ways of an argument :-P

Reflection edit: Actually, what the hell was I thinking yesterday. Nope. People are emotional because videogames are their hobby. Something they like doing with their free time. People are emotional about their hobbies, and I would not have it any other way.

Things that stood out to me -

"Some comments are pretty emotional, taking such things as Bethesda's behaviour almost personally (a touch narcissistic). Games aren't the meaning of life. They're entertainment. Some would say that entertainment is the substitute for true Joy, or the distraction from the lack of real joy/happiness."

Bit of a subjective statement. My meaning of life isn't the same as yours, as either your definition or mine wouldn't be appropriate to person C, or D, or whomever. Then of course you can go from there to the merits or drawbacks of "substitute" joy versus whatever constitutes "real" joy, or how you would define said terms on a larger blanket scale. Example, if you find joy in the smile of a child, then it's real to you. If I find it loathsome, then obviously there will be no joyous reaction involved. Course, there's also the question of what joy is, where it comes from, what constitutes it from one person to the next.

Next up....
"...then read a book and get into what the culture was before electronics took over. You'll find yourself understanding a lot more in life than just the mere pop-culture reference--like how people really think and work. In fact, you may enjoy games better because they'll have their proper place. As an adult, which I hope you younger guys aspire to be real men and not just over-sized boys, you won't have time for games as much if you're truly responsible."

This, I would say, is where your argument starts to go seriously off the rails. As in, drunken conductor derailing an Amtrak full of toxic waste and polluting the countryside in a poisonous fireball off-the-rails. The insinuation that the entire game culture is substandard compared to other, older forms of media. And from there, it gets worse. "Proper place"? Who's deciding what their "proper place" is? You? Me? Persons A-Z? That's where, to me anyway, your statement goes from commentary to condescension. Mass overgeneralization doesn't exactly help matters, and there aren't too many other ways to process the statement as you saying that "real men" wouldn't be upset, irritated or displeased over such things since they would be spending their time being "truly responsible" instead. You use a LOT of subjective comments, but keep on trying to present them as objective universal truths. And of course, there's the general combined attitude of both superiority and enhanced maturity over those who are more invested in such matters than you.

And then there's....
"As a child, we should be preparing to be adults, be growing up. Games should have their proper place."

Putting two and two together on this one, the insinuation this time around is that, again, games need to have their "proper" place (there's that subjective commentary being presented as objective truth again), which is when you're younger, which serves to apply a feeling of perceived inherent immaturity on the part of the medium.

In closing, I have a few questions to ask of you. They're important to me, and I'd truly and wholeheartedly appreciate the response, whatever insight you can provide. Ready?

What is the meaning of life? What's supposed to be most important? Please tell me, random internet ghost in my machine, PLEASE tell me what's most important. Because see, I've already come to the conclusion that nothing means ANYTHING in and of itself. Your joy is my tedium. Your happiness is my revulsion, and vice versa, ad infinitum across however many billions of people there are shambling their way across this planet at any given moment.

So what's the point? What's the better thing? Where's the "real" joy, the "real" happiness, the "real" fulfillment in life? What's the magic formula? Friends? Wives? Husbands? Children? Book reading? Scuba diving? Origami? imaginary friends? Something else to piss away the seconds between life and death? You're telling me and a fair number of others that caring enough to be upset, whether at smaller aspects or the larger concerns they bring to light, is a misguided notion.

So you tell me. I'm all ears.

Edit - Actually, nevermind. Considering the universes of distance between your position and my own, it'd be nothing but a waste of time on both our parts. And since I'm (believe it or not) trying to not turn this forum into my own personal battleground, I'd rather just walk away. If you can find meaning in something, that's great. All I would ask is that you respect how other people find meaning in their own lives. Especially considering that life tends to kick people in the crotch with a fair amount of frequency. Sometimes it really is what people have. Sometimes every standard thing is wrong. It might not make sense to you, but that doesn't make it any less valid to those who have found meaning, something to care about, even if it's inconsequential to you.

Oh herpes!

That is just dumb. The only reason it was removed is because now that bethesda as full say, they want them to be back to their original DRM forms. Bethesda is a greedy company.

Glad I got mine before the lockout, then.

Sigh.