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Posted December 18, 2015
Deep down and dirty.

<span class="bold">UnderRail</span> an underground turn-based survival RPG, is now DRM-free on GOG.com with a 10% launch discount.

You shift from leg to leg inside a tattered blanket-coat, struggling to shield yourself from the damp, cold air of the tunnels. The distant ruckus of looters, maliciously picking apart a homeless man's shelter, whispers words of hesitation into your ear. But that girl needed her medicine and, dammit, even if our entire race is nearly extinct, what we stand for must endure. You clench that makeshift shotgun in your radio-blistered hand and march straight ahead.

Do you miss the complex role-playing mechanics and challenging combat of the original Fallouts? UnderRail's got you covered… under tons upon tons of concrete, where life is still somewhat tolerable. Brave the horrors of an unforgiving world and venture through the underground complex of metro stations that the survivors now call home. Craft your own equipment, master turn-based combat and navigate the politics of opposing factions vying for power over those last remaining scraps of civilization.

Do whatever's necessary to survive and explore every dark corner of the <span class="bold">UnderRail</span>, available now, DRM-free on GOG.com. Grab your ticket with the 10% launch discount that will last until January 1st, 1:59 PM GMT.
Posted December 19, 2015
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StingingVelvet: Bought this because it's a new RPG my PC can actually run, and it seems like Fallout. I was pretty disappointed by Wasteland 2 and Pillars of Eternity, but maybe 3rd time is the charm this year.
Why Wasteland 2 disappointed you? I ask this question, because I may but it in future. Would you please write your verdict about it? Pros and cons?
Posted December 19, 2015
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StingingVelvet: Bought this because it's a new RPG my PC can actually run, and it seems like Fallout. I was pretty disappointed by Wasteland 2 and Pillars of Eternity, but maybe 3rd time is the charm this year.
Dont waste your time. This game made same kind of mistakes, as Wasteland 2 and Pillars - as the result, its shallow and has no soul. If you are playing RPGs for more then 15 years like me, you'll be bored to death.

Still, it has the best turn-based stealth mecahnics up to date, that is for sure.
Post edited December 19, 2015 by OrvaldMaxwell
Posted December 19, 2015
It definitely looks interesting. I don't get the spiritual Fallout 3 likeness some babble about though. Even with its aged graphics F1&2 look way more polished than this. Though I bet Underrail's UI is way less a pain in the ass.
Posted December 19, 2015
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OrvaldMaxwell: Dont waste your time. This game made same kind of mistakes, as Wasteland 2 and Pillars - as the result, its shallow and has no soul. If you are playing RPGs for more then 15 years like me, you'll be bored to death.

Still, it has the best turn-based stealth mecahnics up to date, that is for sure.
I'm curious, what was the last 'soulful' RPG that you played?
Posted December 19, 2015
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Banjo_oz: Is there a way to contact the dev here? I've emailed them via their website but have yet to receive a reply and am getting a bit worried they are ignoring the issue of those of us who already paid for this game prior to release.

I (and others like me) purchased Underrail from them DRM-free (on Desura) last year, and only supported the game because there was DRM-free option. Now that the dev no longer updates the Desura build, I am very much hoping that they give those of us who bought the game already a GOG key, since we paid for a DRM-free game!

A "Steam key" does not cut it, as I would have never bought the game had it only been ever getting a Steam release!

I understand the dev may have had trouble with Desura, but that's not us customers' problem or fault, and I would really like to be able to play the final game (without Steam!) that I pad for and supported during its development.
Good luck, I've been trying also and it seems he's just ignoring anyone who brings the issue up. Thankfully the pirates are supporting the game. Pretty fucked up when pirates are giving better customer service than the actual developer.
For the dumbasses that bought it on gog, I hope he doesn't decide that they are too much work to justify patching the game and abandon it to only update the steam version.

Thankfully, this wont happen to me anymore. Bought this game years ago, but now I just skip the buying and go straight to pirating. No point in paying for a game I'm going to have to pirate anyway. This shit happens too often.
Posted December 19, 2015
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Maxvorstadt: Hm, does this game support dual core CPUs or is this single core only?
I don't think it realy matters, it should be able to run on a toaster.
Post edited December 19, 2015 by Narakir
Posted December 19, 2015
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Smannesman: You make one little joke about the fact that the GOG installers get uploaded to torrent sites and immediately you get downvoted.
People are constantly proudly proclaiming that they pirate Steam games.
Even if it's joke is bad one and here's why:

if dev release DRM-Free build on Steam that makes him think it's not worth trouble doing so because people will pirate it anyway as this is based on trust that fans will buy their game anyway but leaves message that DRM-Free build = auto-pirated.

If game, especially in Early Access or later locked behind Steam api and client DRM gets pirated that gives dev message saying people don't want DRM so its less damaging than distribution of DRM-Free build because people made cracks to deactivate DRM but still gives public image that DRM-Free by means of cracked is pirating.

If someone distribute GOG release is double damaging than release of Steam cracked release because often some games were released on Steam with their Steam api and client DRM deactivated but still present in game files and that makes them both - equal to pirates cracked Steam ones DRM-Free and gives message that people don't care about idea of DRM Free and distribute it anyway even when stripped off DRM/deactivated official and legal way. If that was other service and/or with DRM-Free build too leaves message that DRM-Free = auto-pirated. Whole idea that GOG stands and fights for is shred to pieces and cycle repeats - devs thinking again they need DRM protect their releases.
Post edited December 19, 2015 by HenitoKisou
Posted December 19, 2015
Wow!!! ANOTHER must-get RPG!!! Practically speechless!!!
Posted December 19, 2015
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Smannesman: You make one little joke about the fact that the GOG installers get uploaded to torrent sites and immediately you get downvoted.
People are constantly proudly proclaiming that they pirate Steam games.
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HenitoKisou: Even if it's joke is bad one and here's why:

if dev release DRM-Free build on Steam that makes him think it's not worth trouble doing so because people will pirate it anyway as this is based on trust that fans will buy their game anyway but leaves message that DRM-Free build = auto-pirated.

If game, especially in Early Access or later locked behind Steam api and client DRM gets pirated that gives dev message saying people don't want DRM so its less damaging than distribution of DRM-Free build because people made cracks to deactivate DRM but still gives public image that DRM-Free by means of cracked is pirating.

If someone distribute GOG release is double damaging than release of Steam cracked release because often some games were released on Steam with their Steam api and client DRM deactivated but still present in game files and that makes them both - equal to pirates cracked Steam ones DRM-Free and gives message that people don't care about idea of DRM Free and distribute it anyway even when stripped off DRM/deactivated official and legal way. If that was other service and/or with DRM-Free build too leaves message that DRM-Free = auto-pirated. Whole idea that GOG stands and fights for is shred to pieces and cycle repeats - devs thinking again they need DRM protect their releases.
But DRM simply doesn't work. It doesn't matter what kind of game it is, pirates usually find their way around it and look at tougher protections as "a new challenge to their skills." It's like a more difficult math equation for a math wiz, they revel in it. So essentially, DRM simply isn't worth it. A crack can be made in a matter of hours or sometimes minutes, and I was discussing with a programmer friend of mine how early GOG and current GOG games come cracked with the same stuff that the pirates use. It's essentially just a game with a disguised cracked game file or executable. I love GOG and buy a ton of their DRM-Free stuff, but if something is overpriced, I want to download it first to see if it's even worth the money. If I like it, I'll more than likely buy it at some point. If I REALLY like it, I'll purchase it immediately.
Posted December 19, 2015
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thefallenalchemist: But DRM simply doesn't work. It doesn't matter what kind of game it is, pirates usually find their way around it and look at tougher protections as "a new challenge to their skills." It's like a more difficult math equation for a math wiz, they revel in it. So essentially, DRM simply isn't worth it. A crack can be made in a matter of hours or sometimes minutes, and I was discussing with a programmer friend of mine how early GOG and current GOG games come cracked with the same stuff that the pirates use. It's essentially just a game with a disguised cracked game file or executable. I love GOG and buy a ton of their DRM-Free stuff, but if something is overpriced, I want to download it first to see if it's even worth the money. If I like it, I'll more than likely buy it at some point. If I REALLY like it, I'll purchase it immediately.
Well that's the idea I agree and as long as devs+publishers still think that way is ok, but you never know and some groups are prone to reverse-thinking, they like DRM too much, they believe it works and will seek any pretext to be excused to continue or return to their DRM policy treating whole DRM-Free as social experiment for strict zealots. Bigger companies are harder to persuade as you know, but if I would want try game before buying without demo I'm closer to getting cracked Steam release than GOG release just for sake of less harm, no further sharing and loyalty.
Post edited December 19, 2015 by HenitoKisou
Posted December 19, 2015
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Banjo_oz: Is there a way to contact the dev here? I've emailed them via their website but have yet to receive a reply and am getting a bit worried they are ignoring the issue of those of us who already paid for this game prior to release.

I (and others like me) purchased Underrail from them DRM-free (on Desura) last year, and only supported the game because there was DRM-free option. Now that the dev no longer updates the Desura build, I am very much hoping that they give those of us who bought the game already a GOG key, since we paid for a DRM-free game!

A "Steam key" does not cut it, as I would have never bought the game had it only been ever getting a Steam release!

I understand the dev may have had trouble with Desura, but that's not us customers' problem or fault, and I would really like to be able to play the final game (without Steam!) that I pad for and supported during its development.
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Immoli: Good luck, I've been trying also and it seems he's just ignoring anyone who brings the issue up. Thankfully the pirates are supporting the game. Pretty fucked up when pirates are giving better customer service than the actual developer.
For the dumbasses that bought it on gog, I hope he doesn't decide that they are too much work to justify patching the game and abandon it to only update the steam version.

Thankfully, this wont happen to me anymore. Bought this game years ago, but now I just skip the buying and go straight to pirating. No point in paying for a game I'm going to have to pirate anyway. This shit happens too often.
This game was released on the 18th instead of the 21st December on a Friday evening. The game is made by one man plus two more this year, perhaps the guys have much on their plate to do(patching(first patch is live on Steam), bug searching etc.) at the moment and even if he wanted to contact GOG before making any promises nothing would be happening till Monday.

I do not know where this demand for instant satisfaction or the entitlement comes from. Steam has the bigger customer base and more visibility for the game, so Steam is the first choice for a key . I am sure you will get your pie also here.

Tyler Durden was right.
Post edited December 19, 2015 by MaGo72
Posted December 19, 2015
I was really excited to learn about this a bit ago. I'm not always on top of every game in the alpha or beta stage but it was a pleasant surprise to see this one appear. I'm also glad it got such a positive response.

I scored it yesterday! :)

Here's hoping we get to see a lot of RPG's appear here in 2016, from T:ToN, Banner Saga 2, some more JRPG's, and some surprises!
Posted December 19, 2015
Holy shit the majority of the game is made by one man? Now I really have to get this at some point. Visions of a single man are usually more interesting than a group work.
Posted December 19, 2015
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Azhdar: Why Wasteland 2 disappointed you? I ask this question, because I may but it in future. Would you please write your verdict about it? Pros and cons?
I mean, it's okay. You might like it. I just think it and PoE failed to match up at all to their inspirations. Granted nostalgia might play a role in that.
Posted December 19, 2015
One thing I don't get about games like this is: Why a turn-based battle system when you only control one person?
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