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Posted October 11, 2018
Lady Aribeth, you'll never walk alone.

Neverwinter Nights: Enhanced Edition is now available DRM-free, 25% off until October 18th 1pm UTC. Neverwinter Nights Diamond is now included in the Enhanced Edition as a free bonus goodie. Current owners of Diamond get an additional 25% off when purchasing the Enhanced Edition.

The D&N epic returns, now with subtle graphical improvements and a completely rebuilt multiplayer system, backwards compatible with all the mods, modules, and save games you were using in the original.

Get the Digital Deluxe Edition which includes several adventure modules, the game's Soundtrack and the Heroes of Neverwinter pack or grab each of them separately.
Posted October 12, 2018
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paladin181: I never implied that they didn't do any work. I said they were parasitic (they are) because they don't create anything of their own, but rather make their living updating other games...

...The problem is when they take the originals away and charge an extortion to get the games.
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Sabin_Stargem: Oi. I have to ask, WHY should Beamdog make original material? There are industries devoted to renovating existing objects - such as buildings, paintings, furniture, and so on.

Also, there is an obvious reason why the old editions have to be pulled from the shelves: To prevent confusing and displeasing customers. Your everyday person has no interest in trying to discern the differences between editions. If they bought the original edition, odds are that they will be burned and never look at similar products again.
A. Someone does not know what the term "Parasatic" means.A parasite si something that steals from its host without the host's permission. Last time I looked, Bioware or whoever owns the rifghat to the games willing made a deal with Beamdog and is getting a share of the profits.
Are the car repair shops that specialize in restoring old cars parasites?
B,Beamdog has tried it hand at new material, with less then stellar results.Look at the didaster their module for BG2n was. They simply were not set up for desiging new material.
Posted October 12, 2018
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Sabin_Stargem: Your everyday person has no interest in trying to discern the differences between editions. If they bought the original edition, odds are that they will be burned and never look at similar products again.
I had no idea gog customer base if full of illiterate and those who can't tell which version of windows they're running.
Posted October 12, 2018
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ped7g: Bought for the linux support (and I know the DE was already playable, but I prefer it this way, officially directly from the store).

Hey Beamdog, how about 64b support next time (I mean, at least for the new work you are preparing)... actually you can probably drop 32b for next-gen works, people currently running 32b linux distros have either very specific purpose for that, or very old HW, while almost every game-player with linux OS is on 64b (for last decade probably). (and I understand that compiling legacy sources may get tricky, and sometimes there are no sources at all, but that's the price for not releasing the SW properly (including sources). Would you open source your games after few years (without data), there would be probably some volunteer keeping them up to date for you for free... Check DOOM3 and similar stories from past.
Now here is a legitimate criticism of Beamdog....they do seem to behind the b all on 64K support.
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Jopalnu: How the hell is that company still legal...?
Pleae explain what Beamdog is doing that breaks any laws....

I m now convinced that people who don't give a dman about NWN sre not attacking Beamdog just because they think it's the cool thing to do.
I hate Internet lynch mobs.
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Posted October 12, 2018
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paladin181: I never implied that they didn't do any work. I said they were parasitic (they are) because they don't create anything of their own, but rather make their living updating other games...

...The problem is when they take the originals away and charge an extortion to get the games.
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Sabin_Stargem: Oi. I have to ask, WHY should Beamdog make original material? There are industries devoted to renovating existing objects - such as buildings, paintings, furniture, and so on.

Also, there is an obvious reason why the old editions have to be pulled from the shelves: To prevent confusing and displeasing customers. Your everyday person has no interest in trying to discern the differences between editions. If they bought the original edition, odds are that they will be burned and never look at similar products again.
"There are industries devoted...", yes and they are giant cons in the most part. Just look at the "antiques" market. Or the upcyclers spray some old junk and then selling it for loads of cash calling it art. Recycling is good, but a lot of them are just con artists. Same with developers, they have quite a bad name, better in recent days, it still.
Posted October 12, 2018
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djoxyk: I had no idea gog customer base if full of illiterate and those who can't tell which version of windows they're running.
That was the argument employed by GOG why every installer has to contain Galaxy. The average customer can't read and cannot see the gigantic “Try GALAXY”-buttons sprinkled over the site.
Posted October 12, 2018
I don't care too much about this release and might even pick it up at some point.

But why would they again remove the option to buy old version? I think it'd be a lot more peaceful in here if Beamdog weren't forcing GOG to remove the classics. From what I gather it's Beamdog's decision, right?
Posted October 12, 2018
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MMLN: I just don't understand, why Premium Modules released eons ago, are not all included with the base game, like any other self respecting company handles their own remasters...
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Lifthrasil: Beamdog ... self-respecting ... you are funny! :-) Beamdog has always only been about cashing in on great names in a very open and unabashed way. There are people who pay for better graphics on decade old games - and Beamdog fills that niche. Minimal effort for maximum profit. Commercially that's a smart strategy - and if they can maximize their profit by selling little bits and pieces as paid extras, all the better for them. Business wise the principle 'let's squeeze all the money we can out of some nerds' seems to work. I always wonder why there are people who pay those prices for a graphics update ... but they exist.
Well, that's why I was saying "..any other.." in the sentence :P

The price of the Deluxe is just Ridiculous, because there is absolutely nothing new added in the bundle. Every Module was released years and years ago, including Daggerford one. If they would have some sort of integrity, they would put all ex-Premium bundles in base game, and produce some new Modules in the vein of BG1.5 (Siege of Dragonspear). It was not the best product ever, but they made at least some effort putting it together...
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Wurzelkraft: I don't care too much about this release and might even pick it up at some point.

But why would they again remove the option to buy old version? I think it'd be a lot more peaceful in here if Beamdog weren't forcing GOG to remove the classics. From what I gather it's Beamdog's decision, right?
AFAIK, it might be more of a Hasbro decision. Please someone correct me if I am wrong.
Post edited October 12, 2018 by MMLN
Posted October 12, 2018
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HereForTheBeer: Discount history of Beamdog's other titles shows that it might not take long for a 66% or 75% discount to appear, at which point anyone can get the Diamond and Enhanced Editions for $5 total. From the GOGDB, which dates back to mid-2017, the Diamond Edition went for $5 back in June 2017 and hasn't been discounted since. Somewhere is a list that goes farther back in time to give a better comparison, but not sure where to find that one.

So $5 for Diamond, or $5 for Diamond and Enhanced and Linux and Mac. Slap a 75% discount on the Deluxe package and you're getting a crap-ton of playtime for thirteen bucks. Plus Linux and Mac.

<shrug>
Yup.

And all the handwringing about the old version being 'gone' is nonsense. It's in the extras for every new purchaser, and every previous purchaser still has it in their account.
Posted October 12, 2018
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trueshot: ...

As an edit- I just can't understand the excessive vitriol against Beamdog. They're an exceptionally tiny and frugal shop with potentially oversized ambitions. They're not running on brand or marketing, like most game developers these days. Pretty much every remaster for 2017 and 2018 was sold with marketing and appeal to uninformed gamers. I don't even think Beamdog has a marketing department, and most of their employees are old-school gamers too. What makes you think EE is the con job of the year, with an average retail price ranging $8 to $15? It's been on sale for roughly 50% of the time since it's been released. I just can't process the frenzy here.
if they would leave the original game available to be purhased sepparately there wouldn't be any vitriol. Those interested in EE would buy it, those who just want the original version would buy that one, everyone would be happy. But holding the original game hostage unless player pays the ransom and shells out extra money for the 'enhanced' version he is (in some cases) not interested in is as anti-consumer as you can get and it gets pointed out every time Beamdog releases yet another one of their enhanced cashgrab games. That is where the vitriol comes from. And since this is at the very least third case they are doing this, despite the fact that every time there is backlash from players, you can't argue that this is some innocent mistake.

and yes, there are much worse scumbags in the game development industry, but that doesn't make Beamdog some sort of good guys, not by a long shot ... just a different kind of scumbags
Posted October 12, 2018
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Sabin_Stargem: Your everyday person has no interest in trying to discern the differences between editions. If they bought the original edition, odds are that they will be burned and never look at similar products again.
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djoxyk: I had no idea gog customer base if full of illiterate and those who can't tell which version of windows they're running.
You might be surprised.

Keep in mind that the forums are only a small portion of GOG's customer base.
Posted October 12, 2018
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tinyE: Hi
I'm loving it.
Having a shit week but this is has been a nice little pick me up.

I still say the first chapter is too damn long but nothing is perfect.
oh you're talking about the game. I initially thought you were talking about the entertaining forum drama. That Chap 1 is a bit long.
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teceem: How is the investment some company does relevant to me? Is the fact that a game was more expensive to make more important to you than your enjoyment of the game? (mind that I still think that this EE should be cheaper)
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djoxyk: why companies keep doing new games? to make money, it is a business any other. it cost arm and leg to develop and to promote AAA game. as a result of company' hard efforts game should sell and bring profit. It will allow to upkeep current game and to expand, make more games. If company invested millions into one game they can't sell it for $3 or $5. However small indies studios can do that because they don't need to make millions in revenues. Now to answer how it is relevant to Beamdog - they don't need to return millions because they never invested that much in their "development" or promotion. They have freedom to generate more sales by lowering price (make it like indie segment, not AAA), they still will be in profit. They even have freedom to leave original version in store so die hard fans will buy both versions and others can pick one up to their budget and liking.
I play games on Linux, single player. All suggested improvements in EE is worthless for me. What I should feel towards a business that sold something for $0.80 last week and now wants $7.86 for the same? They're asking for more not to cover the product cost but replace that product with something I didn't asked for.
It's not the same thing, though. It's not worth more to you - that's OK. The price not being optimal for you is not related to how much work was put into it, or how much the product is worth to other people.

Sooner or later there'll be a sale, and then the price may drop down to what you're willing to pay for (I think you're underestimating the UI improvements personally, NN's old UI was really ugly).

Also, your analogy is flawed. It's not .80 last week and 7.86 now, it's .80 last week and 1.60 now. The price went from 10 to 20. They did also add a bunch of DLCs, but those weren't included in the previous NN edition for sale.
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tinyE: Hi
I'm loving it.
Having a shit week but this is has been a nice little pick me up.

I still say the first chapter is too damn long but nothing is perfect.
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qwixter: oh you're talking about the game. I initially thought you were talking about the entertaining forum drama. That Chap 1 is a bit long.
not having fun with this ranger though. Her attacks per round is too weak. I want ranged but I want a fast ranged. Having trouble here.
Posted October 12, 2018
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qwixter: oh you're talking about the game. I initially thought you were talking about the entertaining forum drama. That Chap 1 is a bit long.
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tinyE: not having fun with this ranger though. Her attacks per round is too weak. I want ranged but I want a fast ranged. Having trouble here.
I don't wanna rain on your parade, but (pure) rangers are believed to be under-powered in 3E and Neverwinter Nights. I think they got a little bit better in 3.5/NWN2 but I'm not entirely sure. It's generally recommended to multi-class with them. Recommended combinations include rogue/ranger, fighter/ranger. You can main ranger too; it's just slightly less optimal. The bonus feats are important- you can use the ranger class to gain several supplementary feats with minimal investment for use in multiclass builds.
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Posted October 12, 2018
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Sabin_Stargem: Your everyday person has no interest in trying to discern the differences between editions. If they bought the original edition, odds are that they will be burned and never look at similar products again.
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djoxyk: I had no idea gog customer base if full of illiterate and those who can't tell which version of windows they're running.
It isn't a matter of literacy. People have better things to do than investigating every little thing they might want to buy.
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