Thanks! That's how I remembered it as well. And sorry if my wording came across as harsh, I hope you did not take my comments about spreading rumours as an attack on your person (far from it, I really appreciate your passion for the NWN community, as a fellow former member/fan). It's just that I've seen this claim a lot - without bad intentions from the people who spread it - but so far no links to back it up. I guess in the end it doesn't really matter all that much now though. :)

aha....

Only replied to ask what a stickler was , you see words like stickler are not exactly common words people are taught during English class, at least not in my era ( a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.... )

Yeah... ESL classes are sure only to hit the high points of common conversation. I found that out when I took German in High school. I was legally conversational, and I found out there was a WIDE gap between conversational and fluent when I visited Germany.

I know you meant no ill intent. It's true that we do spread rumors and then the rumors get remembered instead of the original content of the message. I've done it a few times. I'm glad I looked it up. I never did play those modules.

I am going to purchase this, I've decided. It doesn't offer a lot of extra content, but I haven't much enjoyed the added content from bg yet either. But I do enjoy sitting down with nwn and playing through some modules. And I've still not played the extra content modules.

The quality of life enhancements this will afford will be nice and heck, maybe I'll even join a persistent world again at some point.

As a repost-

I own EE and have been blissfully enjoying it each weekend for roughly two months. For me, returning to NWN is a matter of overwhelming nostalgia. I already owned two copies of Diamond, one copy of Platinum, one original copy, and one collector's edition box copy. Obviously, I've shared my excess disks and keys with various friends and strangers. I'm a fan.

For all others who do not drink the nostalgia nectar, I think the question boils down to whether or not you appreciate multiplayer CRPGs and if you are sure you will commit to NWN's multiplayer (which many would say is the gem of the game, along with story-driven custom campaigns). A more recent CRPG in the vein of Neverwinter Nights is the Divinity series, also available on GOG.

To be clear, Beamdog is actively working on EE and has released fixes for many long-standing bugs. It remains to be seen how successful their first major content or engine changes will be, or when those will arrive. It may be prudent to wait until their first "major" changes are released and judge how to proceed from there. There are numerous specious and weak arguments here that are rife with misinformation and appeals to emotion. Again, Beamdog is actively working on NWN:EE and has already released numerous- but rather conservative- patches that focus on fixing longstanding bugs in both the engine and the toolset. They have not yet released major overhauls or new content additions. It is currently assumed (based on live-streams) that the first major change will be releasing Neverwinter Nights on mobile devices, which is intended to increase the user base for multiplayer activities. The second major release is predicted to be "NWSync", which will allow users to automatically download required custom content when playing on multiplayer servers.

From an ethical perspective, Beamdog HAS ALREADY coordinated with GOG to subsidize the purchase price and to provide a credit for users who purchased Diamond Edition after the Enhanced Edition was released, comparable to how Bethesda treated customers who had already purchased Skyrim Legendary Edition when Special Edition was released. They're obviously not trying to swindle their customers, especially given the fact that the Diamond Edition has been available for almost a decade.

From a "what do you get" standpoint, currently I'd say EE is a worthy purchase if you intend to commit to playing multiplayer on persistent worlds and to otherwise delve into custom content and modding. Many servers have already transitioned to EE and it is unequivocally a minority of servers that intend to remain in stasis on version 1.69 permanently. Please do not purchase EE if your goal is to just play the official single-player campaign and expansions. It's not worth it in that case, especially if you already own Diamond. It might someday be, but definitely not at the present time.

Feel free to message me for more questions, screenshots etc. Unlike many other commentators here, I am 1) informed about NWN 2) own EE and 3) actually play EE regularly.

And one final point- a handful of designers and engineers who worked on the original game -all those years ago- are working at Beamdog on EE. Neverwinter Nights is their baby or their brain-child (depending on which individual you ask). And you *can* ask them- they answer questions during live-streams. The last thing they intend to do is introduce ruination to the game; it's only going to get better from now. Now the question of whether or not that is worth the retail price is a different beast, but vitriolic lambasting is no substitute for facts. See you in game- I tend to play on the Argentum Regio and Blackstone Keep servers.

Same here but i can understand most of UK and US English, my german is less but i can understand the main part of a conversation, and we had lots of German tv series like Derrick , Tatort , and today we have Cobra 11 which is quite amusing to watch, most of German spoken in the series sound like a dialect cause some words are almost the same in Dutch, which makes it funny to watch and listen to.

"Worth" is a very relative thing. To me, any form of multiplayer is worthless. Sure the EE's value-for-money is a lot lower than the DE, but I only play a game once so I want the best possible experience. And in this case, it's being able to play at native resolution, the extra modules and the reworked Daggerford.

Bethesda at least kept Skyrim original game active and anyone is able to purchase it. I've got this version without any hassle. It was considerably cheaper than SE and suits my needs (at that time is was confirmed to run on Linux with wine). Beamdog decided to remove DE. You're mentioning discounts but if to look into numbers for my region it is 12 times difference! Last week I saw DE on sale for $0.80 and now I should be "happy" with discounted $7.86! 7 bucks more for same content with minor COSMETIC updates. Yes, it contains both versions but I need only ONE version of the game, why on earth I would need various versions? Bethesda at least gave me the freedom of choice.

I agree with you. I just think it's important to note that more developer effort has gone into fixing defects that impact multiplayer, persistent worlds and scripting. Additionally, the two major initiatives that we are aware of are both most relevant to multiplayer. It would be disingenuous to suggest that EE is targeted towards single player enthusiasts.
Bethesda made the same play with Legendary Edition. They most certainly removed the listing at some point and I just now checked to verify. I'm not going to tell you that the game has radically changed from Diamond; it hasn't. But I own EE and it looks measurably better and runs noticeably smoother. The business prerogative of re-releasing old titles with minimal changes is rife in the industry. Dark Souls Remastered is 100% the *same* game with a few new textures, with a market price of the original. Instead we have a heavily discounted title, Beamdog's ongoing commitment to the game, and to date measurable and relevant changes which you can read in all the available patch notes. This isn't a rip-off like most remasters. But it's certainly not necessarily worth the value to all users interested in the genre, eg if you have no desire to play multiplayer, then upgraded multiplayer is of absolutely no value to you as a gamer.

As an edit- I just can't understand the excessive vitriol against Beamdog. They're an exceptionally tiny and frugal shop with potentially oversized ambitions. They're not running on brand or marketing, like most game developers these days. Pretty much every remaster for 2017 and 2018 was sold with marketing and appeal to uninformed gamers. I don't even think Beamdog has a marketing department, and most of their employees are old-school gamers too. What makes you think EE is the con job of the year, with an average retail price ranging $8 to $15? It's been on sale for roughly 50% of the time since it's been released. I just can't process the frenzy here.

You're wasting your time. Most of the Beamdog haters in here are so ridiculously blinded by nerd-rage that they can't possibly see your well-reasoned and logical post.

no, they still sell it
https://store.steampowered.com/app/72850/The_Elder_Scrolls_V_Skyrim/

Hi
I'm loving it.
Having a shit week but this is has been a nice little pick me up.

I still say the first chapter is too damn long but nothing is perfect.

What? They're not running on brand? They're running on Black Isle and Obsidian's Brand! The games they're releasing were someone else's base work!! I don't hate Beamdog, but let's not talk like they're not pulling a Telltale here. They haven't made any original content for anything and have made a living as a parasite of other peoples' IP and in this case, specific games. They're not inherently bad, they fill a niche. They are the CD Projekt Red and GOG of today, bringing old games to an updated and new perspective for new systems and new players (That's how bot CDPR and GOG started). But when they choose to make the original versions inaccessible to force people to buy their upgraded versions it's pretty low.
For the record, I've bought every EE that they released. I also own the original releases for all those games.

I watched it on steam and the only discount it had is -20% off which isn't great sale to be honest (I'm talking about EE of NWN). See, old game was in old classics category and always had deep discounts (up to -80%) , now Beamdog made couple of changes to that game, doubled the price and moved it to AAA department of new releases. Which means no deep sales any longer. Not all countries can afford to pay 20-30 bucks for repacked old game. Actually 30 bucks is a price of just released Assassin's Creed game, or any other top notch AAA game for my region. Why I should consider EE from Beamdog as a good deal?