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I'm all for defending the forum being open but do you have to make about the cringe fest DRM free circle jerk? I mean, seriously? The forum pre-dates that sad state of self serving wankery.

What I would love to see is this returning to the proper open forum without moderation and censorship, like the old days. Not of this thread locking crap and none of this "don't you dare like steam because FCKDRM" bull!. This place was better before the hipsters came on board and ruined it.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: IMO "Zoom Platform" has way too few games, and way too high prices on the few games it does have, and a corny name that comes across like a pathetic attempt to imitate a successful company using almost the same name, and they refuse, for no good reason, to change their awful name...all of which will ensure that "Zoom Platform" never grows in any significant way.

Therefore no, I don't agree with your theory.

I think that if & when GOG does down, then DRM-free as a concept is going to become functionally extinct. No store of any significance is going to try it again IMO.

Maybe the death of DRM-free is inevitable. It sure seems that way.
I like zoom and glad to have another DRM free gaming store. But they have issues getting overlooked because of what so-called bad things GOG has done.

A couple of issues with zoom. IMO
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As you said, they have too few games and barely any sales. It doesn't help when zoom has been around for eight years but only has over 400 games.

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Using discord for everything seems off to me. I had an issue with a game that has been ignored in discord. I asked for help several times. Maybe they think it's a none issue. IDK

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Zoom seems to be picking games from the bottom of the barrel. Some of the games released are odd and don't look good.

Also, Zoom will not change its name because the CEO said he came up with the title before Zoom.us. Zoom not a bad store, but not a great one.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: and a corny name that comes across like a pathetic attempt to imitate a successful company using almost the same name, and they refuse,
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DoomSooth: Zoom Platform's existence predates the video conferencing software.
No did not.
Zoom video conferencing software Initial release date: September 10, 2012

Zoom platform is only 8 years old which would make the released date 2013 or 2014.
Post edited April 05, 2022 by Syphon72
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Cavalary: Regarding the forum part, there is that alternate one... Have no idea how active it remained throughout the years, but at the present time it certainly seems to be. Probably not allowed to link to it though...
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MarkoH01: Hey, thank you for reminding me (I am pretty sure you are referring to the one that starts with "M", right?). Well, if they should really close the forum, I guess I will go there as well and I might take a few of my friends with me (I know some of my friends are already there anyway), I also would know an alternative store ... but that's another story. My hope is that none of this happens and that GOG will somehow realize the way they are on.
Why wait? We'd love to have you around. And as you can see, posting in one does not preclude one from posting in the other.

P.S. In your forum byline, "who GOG supports" should probably be "whom GOG supports" (or "that GOG supports", if you think "whom" is too formal).
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rjbuffchix: how "toxic" GOG forum supposedly is
Just a little aside: "toxic" is one of those horrendous newspeak words that are bandied about nonstop in online discussion nowadays (along with terms like "whataboutism") and anyone who unironically uses it can be safely written off as a moron.
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rjbuffchix: how "toxic" GOG forum supposedly is
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fronzelneekburm: Just a little aside: "toxic" is one of those horrendous newspeak words that are bandied about nonstop in online discussion nowadays (along with terms like "whataboutism") and anyone who unironically uses it can be safely written off as a moron.
A lot of people on Zoom discord think GOG forums are toxic. You're calling a lot of people a moron.

just kidding. :)
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ReynardFox: You're on thin ice, GOG.
Your forum title inspired me to MS-Paint this little masterwork. Enjoy!
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ReynardFox: You're on thin ice, GOG.
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fronzelneekburm: Your forum title inspired me to MS-Paint this little masterwork. Enjoy!
*chef's kiss*
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TLTR: There is hope & life even if GOG shutdown by their own stupidity.
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rjbuffchix: Imo, GOG wants us to get fed up with the limited discussion here and be frustrated enough to leave.
Probably, one of the bests ,,ideas,, their lazy & incompetent human talent could come up with.
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rjbuffchix: This forum, as far as I can tell, is the last bastion of a place that includes people who care about DRM-free gaming in any sort of significant number.
I disagree. IMO you are romanticizing/overestimating GOG.
What about then with all those independent devs/pubs, the FOSS, the client-free vgaming stores, vgaming websites like pcgaming[EXTRA]wiki, blogs, etc. out there?
Are they going to dissapear at the exact minute GOG shutdown? Absolutely No.
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rjbuffchix: GOG subreddit does not meet this criteria; in fact I recall people on there discussing how "toxic" GOG forum supposedly is, with the toxicity apparently meaning those of us who dare to want a 100% ownable product when we purchase it here instead of being coerced into using the "optional" client.
Personally I refrain to use (and ignore instead) the ,,trendy term,, "toxicity" as much as I can because its ambiguous & stupid usage.
And you might agree, considering you are providing an example of the wrong tag applied to us.
Call us retrogrades, hostiles, antisocial (choose the term you like) and then we can have a constructive conversation about it. Otherwise, we would have a useless & endless argue...
Just to clarify: I mean not you rjbuffchix (you are the messenger), but anyone prefering the ,,trendy term,, "toxicity"
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rjbuffchix: For those interested, Zoom-Platform's discord I assume would be the next biggest place of people who care about DRM-free gaming all in one place.
Do you mean as a -forum space- to conversate?
I've not used discord. From what I've read (including the specific ZP case too)
I assume it's their -Q&A/support- channel... and a kind of massive chat (with video streaming)...
Not appealing to me this IM client in turn and it does not sound "DRM-Free" dedicated either.
But if you/somebody have more info, please share to reconsider.
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rjbuffchix: If GOG does away with the forum or it fades into obscurity since no one is left around to champion DRM-free, then I think the continued DRMification of GOG and PC gaming in general will go full-Steam-ahead. Does anyone else think there is anything to my theory?
I insist you are romanticizing/overestimating GOG.
GOG is not the DRM-Free paladin nor the bastion.
An important & relevant -commercial- case? Yes
And if they sink, it's gonna be by their total lazyness & incompetence not because "DRM-Free" as business is not viable (another of those ,,ideas,, lazy & incompetent human talent come up with and is already being spread here in the forum)

But it is up to us, the vgaming users to realize that, give it the proper dimension, and do not follow their lazy & incompetent games (mental gymnastics, excuses, lies, stupidity, etc)
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rjbuffchix: If GOG does away with the forum or it fades into obscurity since no one is left around to champion DRM-free, then I think the continued DRMification of GOG and PC gaming in general will go full-Steam-ahead. Does anyone else think there is anything to my theory?
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tag+: I insist you are romanticizing/overestimating GOG.
GOG is not the DRM-Free paladin nor the bastion.
An important & relevant -commercial- case? Yes
And if they sink, it's gonna be by their total lazyness & incompetence not because "DRM-Free" as business is not viable (another of those ,,ideas,, lazy & incompetent human talent come up with and is already being spread here in the forum)
I would like to clarify my comment as I realize I was unclear. I did not intend to suggest that GOG is the only champion for DRM-free. What GOG is, is the biggest DRM-free store (how pure they are to this concept can be questioned given their more recent direction, but stay with me). So, as other users have suggested, if GOG were to hypothetically go down, this has dire consequences for DRM-free gaming as a whole. It does not mean that the other stores won't exist, but it does mean "DRM-free gaming" as a concept will be hanging by a thread. I also believe if GOG were to fail, the concept of DRM-free will be scapegoated rather than the actual reasons we offer such as incompetence and entering a "red ocean" space instead of focusing on their niche to be successful.

Additionally, as food for thought, it has recently occurred to me that the "itch" site may be the better long-term hope for DRM-free diehards compared to Zoom-Platform. I am honestly not sure. My reasoning is that itch, despite apparently allowing some DRM, seems to have a larger number of DRM-free games and I get the sense the developers are younger/newer, meaning that if we support them now perhaps they will continue to be willing to make DRM-free games. Zoom-Platform is certainly more my style in terms of the type of games that release, but I don't get the sense it is a "hip" place to be, which could limit the amount of games in the future as well as the amount of newer developers wanting to put their games up on there.

In terms of the "discussion" space on itch, it seems to be on the individual gamepages themselves, not really that ideal. Though, I have been able to avoid buying a game that seemed to require internet connection, solely thanks to user comments as there was nothing in description to warn of such a "feature".

As for this other forum, can someone please PM me about that?
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darthspudius: I'm all for defending the forum being open but do you have to make about the cringe fest DRM free circle jerk?
Yes, I do, as, if I didn't view this space as a community where people who care about DRM-free are concentrated, I wouldn't care what they do with the forum. Your mileage obviously varies.
Post edited April 05, 2022 by rjbuffchix
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mrkgnao: P.S. In your forum byline, "who GOG supports" should probably be "whom GOG supports" (or "that GOG supports", if you think "whom" is too formal).
Thank you, I will correct it immediately.
As for the other forum ... I have troubles with changes but I'll definitely think about it ... at least my login still works, already checked this :)
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Every day multiple threads are created with endless whining about the same stuff over and over again. If anything mods should be closing more threads for being redundant.
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Can't believe the forums are still the same D'=

And now every post is being downvoted automatically or what? Damn.
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rjbuffchix: ping
I agree with you rjbuffchix, there are plenty of opportunities for DRM-free.

-scapegoat- The perfect term and I didn't know it in English. Not anymore, thank you :)

Yes, irritation.ou looks promising. I started using it since their first massive bundle (almost 2 years ago?). Unfortunately I haven't seen changes on its improvement areas: Lots of Suspended/InDev/School projects, Features listing, Version control, Ease to find what you are looking for, etc.
If it has been the same in the last 5 years, then maybe they are happy with the current state and won't change much in the future... but I don't know.
Someone with longer experience there could help with their opinions and better guesses.
Important: Please note it has forum (Community menu in the main page)

ZP. Started using it since the Hitmale thing. Prices are high, the brand name doesn't help but I've heard (and read in the specific thread) of happy customers with its promptly & efficient support. Then that justifies the prices for now. They seem to gain momentum.
I hope they grow, expand their catalog and optimize prices. I also bet on them.

Meanwhile, in other latitude, there is a waste of resources, time, opportunities... earning its own fate.
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StingingVelvet: Every day multiple threads are created with endless whining about the same stuff over and over again. If anything mods should be closing more threads for being redundant.
It's always the same people whining over and over again. I see what GOG did as trivial. All 1200 + of my games are still DRM free with no issues. They all work!
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Reever: Can't believe the forums are still the same D'=

And now every post is being downvoted automatically or what? Damn.
Yup, even if you support GOG. I think a real purge is needed. lol
Post edited April 06, 2022 by Syphon72
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Syphon72: All 1200 + of my games
Ahhh... Stockholm Syndrome. xD

Defend gog to the death, no matter how badly they fuck up, Because if they go down, they'll take your library down with them.

A sad sight, really.