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dgnfly: You might not want it to get political but you can't forget that the banning itself is a political thing. Your stance is like that with many GOG users they want Curation which means they only want certain games they deem quality but if anybody wants any other game you deem not good enough its ok to ban them or discard them regardless of there being something called freedom of choice, If you are against banning games in general you'd have to be for free choice of what a person wants to play and negate the idea of what you think is a quality game.
You misunderstand a bit here - I do want to get political, but that would be against the forum code of conduct, so I'm not going to. It's a narrow line to tread, but I'm trying to stay on the right side of it in case GoG start handing out bans.

I think you can segregate quality from content fairly easily. For example, on steam, you can purchase a "game" that allows you to throw faeces at a 2020 sign for £1.69 (or local regional price). This is the type of thing I would expect curation to weed out as it's basically shovel-ware.

On the other hand, there have been people complaining because Police Quest 4 is too pro cop and was created by Chief Daryl Gates and so should be cancelled. This is the type of thing that curation has no place touching.
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dgnfly: Welcome to the WOKEverse. Where outrage culture only happens when these bums have nothing better to do while cheering GOG for years of rejecting games because they deemed them not worthy. This is all fake or else they'd also have voted against China in the political battleground. But seeing as they cheered when the one president who stood up against China got removed it all looks and feels shallow. They only care about censorship when the agenda suits them but when something gets censored in general they couldn't care less.

Most people are the pinnacle of hypocrisy.
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RafaelRamus: I wanted you to know that is not the case with everyone that took an issue with it. First, I am not US American and I already said elsewhere I can't understand how you allowed what just happened in your elections take place. I did not cheer when the election winner was announced because unlike many US Americans I was actually paying attention to what the guy was saying, it will be terrible for us Latin Americans. I also hate censorship of ideas, cancel culture and all.

That being said, here is the thing:

I buy all my games here at GOG if possible. That means waiting for years until it is released here, not buying games in Steam Early Access because they MIGHT be released here one day and so on.

I have 600+ games here in this platform, I have way, way less over there and many of those I do have there are pre-"me finding GOG". It has happened I decided to buy a game I ALREADY HAD just to support GOG and the devs for releasing the game here - I have NEVER done the other way around, I have never bought a game in other stores that I already had here just to show some support.

So yes, I care not about what Steam does. Same goes to Epic, I don't care about what they do because I just don't buy games there. I care about what GOG does because I buy things here (sometimes things I already have) for what it represents.
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RafaelRamus: GOG lack of transparency and bending the knees to this low kind of censorship makes me utterly disgusted. I have always been a loyal GOG customer and promoter, how can I be loyal to a company that takes this kind of stance on things and can't even be transparent about it?
I know that not everybody is like that but plenty here on GOG cheered when a game got rejected because it didn't suit their taste and most likely many of those crybabies are now screaming about China. Most people were Clueless about what actually happened during the Trump Era and only understood the NPC words: "Orange Man Bad"

So what does it matter if you bought 600 games I got about 1500 in my catalog, all older games or devs I want to support I could care less about supporting GOG when they censor so I refuse to buy anything new which nets them the most profit. I learned a long time ago that Brands or companies care little about their consumers especially after GOG kept banning anybody for disagreeing with them over Curation decisions. I stopped buying sony since they censored and ditched my console and refuse to buy anything legal anime-related cause localizers are just pushing their own agenda. Your wallet is the only way to make an actual change but the majority will just fall in line and buy like the Drones they are and GOG is just waiting for this to blow over.


sorry I can't shorten the whole other conversation GOG keeps freezing on me when I do
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P8j6: I always find it funny. I bet that 99% of internet freedom fighters, screams with some Huawei or other chinese crap in their pocket.
When people realize, that majority of power money in china is from export?
If everybody STOP buying everything "made in china". The problem will be solved very quickly.
I don't think that's true. I, for one:
I am one of those people that are still running Windows 7 because Microsoft is a terrible company, I am one of those people trying to understand Linux because of what it represents. I buy Samsung phones because they removed their factories away from China and I gladly pay more to support local business whenever that is a possibility.
Other than that, I do check my junk to see where they come from when they are imported, and Made in Taiwan is a quite frequent occurrence ;).
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osm: If it was ported natively to Linux I'd have started caring in a snap
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BluesyMoo: Their previous game was.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/555220/Detention/
No wonder since as I found out it's made with Unity
Devotion is unsurprisingly too. What is surprising they decided to ditch Linux support along the way.
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P8j6: I always find it funny. I bet that 99% of internet freedom fighters, screams with some Huawei or other chinese crap in their pocket.
When people realize, that majority of power money in china is from export?
If everybody STOP buying everything "made in china". The problem will be solved very quickly.
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RafaelRamus: I don't think that's true. I, for one:

I am one of those people that are still running Windows 7 because Microsoft is a terrible company, I am one of those people trying to understand Linux because of what it represents. I buy Samsung phones because they removed their factories away from China and I gladly pay more to support local business whenever that is a possibility.
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RafaelRamus: Other than that, I do check my junk to see where they come from when they are imported, and Made in Taiwan is a quite frequent occurrence ;).
Well, you are the one of the precious 1% responsible freedom fighters ;)
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dgnfly: You might not want it to get political but you can't forget that the banning itself is a political thing. Your stance is like that with many GOG users they want Curation which means they only want certain games they deem quality but if anybody wants any other game you deem not good enough its ok to ban them or discard them regardless of there being something called freedom of choice, If you are against banning games in general you'd have to be for free choice of what a person wants to play and negate the idea of what you think is a quality game.
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pds41: You misunderstand a bit here - I do want to get political, but that would be against the forum code of conduct, so I'm not going to. It's a narrow line to tread, but I'm trying to stay on the right side of it in case GoG start handing out bans.

I think you can segregate quality from content fairly easily. For example, on steam, you can purchase a "game" that allows you to throw faeces at a 2020 sign for £1.69 (or local regional price). This is the type of thing I would expect curation to weed out as it's basically shovel-ware.

On the other hand, there have been people complaining because Police Quest 4 is too pro cop and was created by Chief Daryl Gates and so should be cancelled. This is the type of thing that curation has no place touching.
I do get political, and I'm used to bans. But you can't ignore the political factor why this is happening in the first place but is also the thing that triggers people the most. I just calling our people hypocritical nature of things and if they were smart enough they'd understand the long-term effect of even the slightest bit of censorship.

True, But even turning away games higher rated and upvoted then certain games get rejected as not being Quality wise. I always bring up both Hatred and Agony which most people just hate because of their subject matter. Even logical small indie devs have been refused but when you dare question GOG's decision on that the other GOG members act like triggered snowflakes. Wishlist on this site is nothing but a sense of pretending to care on GOG's part.

And the last part you mention is the reason games like this also get censored and not released. Most likely some of the morons that complain about cop games and want them banned are now crying Wolf because China did something but didn't care when it involved a game they cared little about but just wanted to be censored because of their feelings.

The moment you want certain stuff to censored but other types not for your own sake you become just like China. cause like China they decide what you are or aren't allowed to enjoy kinda like how the Industry and most hypocritical games evolved. Remember Assasin Creed Valhalla wanting to censor a word cause it triggered feelings? or now even with the release of a collection of SAGA Final fantasy legends. The moment you start to censor even something small it will eventually turn into something bigger, but then nobody cared and looked away.

The Industry has been censoring for years yet everybody keeps making excuses and looking away so what makes this game any different from all those others? This was most likely just outrage because of the Coronavirus or else people would have passed by like nothing ever happened and even that could have been avoided if people didn't stick their head in the sand when it was convenient.
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dgnfly: mention is the reason games like this also get censored and not released. Most likely some of the morons that complain about cop games and want them banned are now crying Wolf because China did something but didn't care when it involved a game they cared little about but just wanted to be censored because of their feelings.
Just to be clear, I don't think that Police Quest 4 should be censored or cancelled.

I see the hypocrisy of a lot of the people here, but equally, I don't see that as a reason to not support Devotion; it's a rare case where interests of two usually opposed groups seem to align.
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dgnfly: mention is the reason games like this also get censored and not released. Most likely some of the morons that complain about cop games and want them banned are now crying Wolf because China did something but didn't care when it involved a game they cared little about but just wanted to be censored because of their feelings.
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pds41: Just to be clear, I don't think that Police Quest 4 should be censored or cancelled.

I see the hypocrisy of a lot of the people here, but equally, I don't see that as a reason to not support Devotion; it's a rare case where interests of two usually opposed groups seem to align.
I was aware of that and that you tried to use it as an example of excessive censorship because of feelings.


What I want is for most of these dumbasses that praised censorship in general when it was convenient for them to use their brains for once. But for most this will not resonate simply because of their own selfish nature of being ok with censorship as long as it's not a game they care for or triggers them.
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dgnfly: The moment you want certain stuff to censored but other types not for your own sake you become just like China. cause like China they decide what you are or aren't allowed to enjoy kinda like how the Industry and most hypocritical games evolved.
Some of you here are far too fixated on the "what" (is being censored) when the real backlash for most people is actually based on the more important question of "why" (is it being censored). When GOG curates a game, that is GOG's decision. With Devotion, it's really down to one foreign politician in one country sulking and having a foot on the throat of stores outside of his country which is something significantly more unpleasant and less healthy for the global gaming industry. Anyone seriously trying to equate China's political blackmail of foreign companies operating outside of China vs GOG rejecting assets flippers is seriously misrepresenting what the real issue is.
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dgnfly: The moment you want certain stuff to censored but other types not for your own sake you become just like China. cause like China they decide what you are or aren't allowed to enjoy kinda like how the Industry and most hypocritical games evolved.
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AB2012: Some of you here are far too fixated on the "what" (is being censored) when the real backlash for most people is actually based on the more important question of "why" (is it being censored). When GOG curates a game, that is GOG's decision. With Devotion, it's really down to one foreign politician in one country sulking and having a foot on the throat of stores outside of his country which is something significantly more unpleasant and less healthy for the global gaming industry. Anyone seriously trying to equate China's political blackmail of foreign companies operating outside of China vs GOG rejecting assets flippers is seriously misrepresenting what the real issue is.
In other words, your whole comment sums up that your ok with censorship as long as it's in line with your view but when China does you come crying as the rest do? Your exactly the problem with all the censorship in the first place, causes people like you to look away when it's convenient when suits you. It doesn't matter if it's just China!!! Games have been censored for years but then morons are ok with it cause like I said it suits you. Hypocritical to the bone. If morons like you cared for censorship in the first place it would never have been able to take a foothold.

Like I said most of you moron only care now because it's China but would be ok with mass censorship if it was in line with your narrative/agenda.
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dgnfly: The moment you want certain stuff to censored but other types not for your own sake you become just like China. cause like China they decide what you are or aren't allowed to enjoy kinda like how the Industry and most hypocritical games evolved.
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AB2012: Some of you here are far too fixated on the "what" (is being censored) when the real backlash for most people is actually based on the more important question of "why" (is it being censored). When GOG curates a game, that is GOG's decision. With Devotion, it's really down to one foreign politician in one country sulking and having a foot on the throat of stores outside of his country which is something significantly more unpleasant and less healthy for the global gaming industry. Anyone seriously trying to equate China's political blackmail of foreign companies operating outside of China vs GOG rejecting assets flippers is seriously misrepresenting what the real issue is.
not at all , it is censoring , you just use double standards , when china does it vs you it is bad , when you use it vs other it is okay
hurry press those - es probably with multi accs , you are fighting for a better future after all , right?:D

dgnfly is absolutely true
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dgnfly: In other words, your whole comment...

(snip huge strawman)
My comment simply pointed out that actual genuine "Censorship" is political in nature and nearly always forced by an externality (government law or religious edict) vs "we have made an internal decision to not stock that abandoned In Development game that's rated "Very Negative" on Steam" are not remotely the same thing, no matter how often you repeat the fallacy. You are trying way too hard to argue the wrong argument.
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AB2012: Some of you here are far too fixated on the "what" (is being censored) when the real backlash for most people is actually based on the more important question of "why" (is it being censored). When GOG curates a game, that is GOG's decision. With Devotion, it's really down to one foreign politician in one country sulking and having a foot on the throat of stores outside of his country which is something significantly more unpleasant and less healthy for the global gaming industry. Anyone seriously trying to equate China's political blackmail of foreign companies operating outside of China vs GOG rejecting assets flippers is seriously misrepresenting what the real issue is.
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Orkhepaj: not at all , it is censoring , you just use double standards , when china does it vs you it is bad , when you use it vs other it is okay
hurry press those - es probably with multi accs , you are fighting for a better future after all , right?:D

dgnfly is absolutely true
These people are in general just as worse as China in their censorship. Either you're for full-on uncensored content cause the moment you buckle you're going down the road of non-stop censorship curated to a small group of people.

Choice, in general, the best option to go with but even the western puritans like censoring because they only care what they want. Just look at how obstructed speech has become and how a triggered few now get to decide what is or isn't allowed to be said or else censorship will ensue.

But then again these people now suddenly care because China is doing it but they are the same group of people that proclaim to know Social justice the best and would censor as long as it falls under their doctrine. Funny how people don't wanna hear these facts.
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Yeshu: Let's be serious. None of you people even heard of the game until the drama started.

NONE of you gave a damn when STEAM banned it, sucking up to China.

The Dev boasting about removing there game from GOG doesn't give a damn as they did not remove there games from STEAM that supported the removal of Devotion.

All of you just want to have the delusion of fighting the good fight without actually putting any effort into it.

Like with all the drama on the forum you will get tired with it in about two weeks and wait for the next drama.
You - the defender of a million dollar corporation - are the true hero!
You showed us lowly peasants how wrong we were! Your courage and eloquence will be the topic of many songs and poems to come! :D

All sarcasm aside:

Why don't you grow up, kiddo.
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dgnfly: In other words, your whole comment...

(snip huge strawman)
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AB2012: My comment simply pointed out that actual genuine "Censorship" is political in nature and nearly always forced by an externality (government law or religious edict) vs "we have made an internal decision to not stock that abandoned In Development game that's rated "Very Negative" on Steam" are not remotely the same thing, no matter how often you repeat the fallacy. You are trying way too hard to argue the wrong argument.
My point is to point out people's own hypocrisy in this situation if they cared from the start this wouldn't be possible in the first place. but seeing as the public in general loves censorship when it suits them they just end up being as horrible as China. When in the west free speech is becoming suppressed because one side just says thing that triggers the other side it shows that there isn't just a big problem with censorship in China but also in our own society which they love to overlook because it's all in the so-called name of progressivism.