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muddysneakers: Which of these Fireflower games are actually good and not on GOG? I browsed and found nothing I wanted that I didn't already own or couldn't get here.

For that matter Crytivo, Zoom, and Humble store too. I've looked at their DRM free listings and I'm not too impressed. What are some games that are worth my time?
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toxicTom: If you're into experimental/meta stuff I can recommend The Stanley Parable and The Beginner's Guide. Also "Everything" (which is sadly not on GOG any more) and Silence of the Sleep are good games. Granted, many of those games are not for everyone, and probably "too niche" for GOG.
Yes I saw The Stanley Parable and Yawhg as really the only games on HB that weren't on GOG that drew interest.
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Playism sells some DRM-free games on their website, including peculiar exclusives like this one https://playism.com/product/alfur
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teceem: DRM is never "optional".
Sure it is, developers aren't required to implement it.

Optional for the developer...

*facepalm.gif*

Did you think I was talking about DRM being optional for the customer? XD

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teceem: Ok, with some games on the Epic Store you have to add something to the shortcut value to make it run without the client. But can you really call that DRM? e.g. would you call a game "non-moddable" because you have to edit a text config file?

And I know, publishers or Epic themselves could also add DRM where none was before in the future. But that could happen to GOG too (yes, I know, not the same probability).

But for now, most Epic games are DRM free - turn off auto updating or zip them up while they're (still) DRM free. The latter is the better idea - some may still remember Steam before mandatory updating became a thing.
Key word being some. I'm not talking about the ones where you can do that. The Epic Launcher does provide a DRM that is optional for the developer, Shadow Complex uses it. None of the methods that work for other games work for it.
Post edited September 29, 2019 by SirPrimalform
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DadJoke007: I find it kind of hilarious that it's not against any rules using GOG's forum to discuss better alternatives to their own services. It's either dumb or brave of them.

As suggested, Humble Bundle has some DRM-free alternatives.
They are much more affable about it, and also likely know that most know about such stores already so mentioning them a bit more does them not that much more harm overall.
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SirPrimalform: Optional for the developer...
And every developer is a customer... so, nope, never optional.
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SirPrimalform: Optional for the developer...
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teceem: And every developer is a customer... so, nope, never optional.
It is most definitely optional.......many just choose to implement it for dumb reasons.
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GameRager: It is most definitely not optional.......because DRM and the implementation of DRM by developers are not the same thing.
I agree, that makes perfect sense.
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teceem: I agree, that makes perfect sense in bizarro world.
See? Two can play the silly "change people's quotes" game. If you want to prove me wrong give examples and evidence to prove me wrong, not just changing my words around.

That said, not all devs have to put DRM in their games....that is all I was trying to say, and it is true.

Unless you can somehow show me a law/similar that proves that wrong?
Post edited September 29, 2019 by GameRager
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teceem: I agree, that makes perfect sense .
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GameRager: You're awesome, teceem!
:-P

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GameRager: That said, not all devs have to put DRM in their games....that is all I was trying to say, and it is true.

Unless you can somehow show me a law/similar that proves that wrong?
But why the need to play Captain Obvious? Are you informing the people here that GOG exists?
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teceem: And every developer is a customer... so, nope, never optional.
Complete nonsense answer. Let me know if you're interested in discussing seriously instead of trolling.
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teceem: And every developer is a customer... so, nope, never optional.
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SirPrimalform: Complete nonsense answer. Let me know if you're interested in discussing seriously instead of trolling.
Nonsense? They don't use software to make their games? I guess I learn something new every day.
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teceem: Nonsense? They don't use software to make their games? I guess I learn something new every day.
Purposeful misunderstanding, that's like troll 101.
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teceem: But why the need to play Captain Obvious? Are you informing the people here that GOG exists?
Yes. I am also going to inform religious people that the concept of god is a thing. ;)

On a more serious note, you seemed to be claiming DRM was mandatory and all devs needed to use it in their games. I said this is not so, and that is all I was trying to say. I wasn't trying to make a joke out of your replies until you started swapping around quotes for whatever reason and acting silly.
Post edited September 30, 2019 by GameRager
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.Ra: Where did you hear they had it? Maybe it was some back end stuff to prepare since nothing has changed. They are supposed to add more games and a forum last I heard.
Going to second Cavalary's post. The site was down with the graphic saying the redesign would be rolled out when it came back - it came back, nothing appears to have really "changed" in any dramatic fashion (certainly not in the sense one would throw around a word like "redesign" at least).

I took a particular interest in it because I was flipping a coin on whether the Duke Nukem games would still be there once the site did come back. They're still there and the update to Duke 3D that they tease on their store page for it isn't.
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GameRager: On a more serious note, you seemed to be claiming DRM was mandatory and all devs needed to use it in their games.
Who's talking about devs? Is this a developer forum? Do we care what they had for breakfast or for whatever stupid reason they feel the need to implement DRM? I don't.
This is what I meant of course: DRM = Not/never optional for the end user. As in: version A of game B on store C has DRM or it has not. There's no in between, no opt-in or opt-out.
Post edited September 30, 2019 by teceem