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Posted April 30, 2021
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StingingVelvet: How evil or not evil Microsoft is has little relevance to the point that Linux is on an irrelevant amount of desktops and gaming PCs. Maybe if MS tries to kill 32 bit or whatever that will change, but the situation today is what it is.
I personally know more and more people so pissed off with Win10 they ask me for alternatives. Normal users, not geeks. People who simply want to get their stuff done - email, office, photos.

My mom was happy with XP and 7, now she's happy with Ubuntu, because it looks more like what she knows than any current Windows. And she tells other people about it. I've already had requests, which I'm reluctant to answer since I've no deep experience with Linux myself.

People are pissed of by Microsoft, and change can happen pretty quickly.
Posted April 30, 2021
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I love win10 it is the best os by far, glad so many others can experience this near perfect system.
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StingingVelvet: liNUx WilL taKE oVEr aNY daY nOw!!!
how many years do they mantra this ?:O 9? 10?
i bet 2021 will be linux's year like 2020 was
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CMOT70: Q: How do you know there's a Linux user in the room?
A: He'll tell you.
nice a good one :)
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StingingVelvet: How evil or not evil Microsoft is has little relevance to the point that Linux is on an irrelevant amount of desktops and gaming PCs. Maybe if MS tries to kill 32 bit or whatever that will change, but the situation today is what it is.
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toxicTom: I personally know more and more people so pissed off with Win10 they ask me for alternatives. Normal users, not geeks. People who simply want to get their stuff done - email, office, photos.

My mom was happy with XP and 7, now she's happy with Ubuntu, because it looks more like what she knows than any current Windows. And she tells other people about it. I've already had requests, which I'm reluctant to answer since I've no deep experience with Linux myself.

People are pissed of by Microsoft, and change can happen pretty quickly.
yeah i have my own imaginary linux friends too :D
Post edited April 30, 2021 by Orkhepaj
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toxicTom: People are pissed of by Microsoft, and change can happen pretty quickly.
It can for some things, but let's be honest: if a huge shift to (desktop/etc) linux use hasn't happened yet, it's likely not gonna happen any time soon....well, barring things like what SV said and others happening, maybe.
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toxicTom: People are pissed of by Microsoft, and change can happen pretty quickly.
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GamezRanker: It can for some things, but let's be honest: if a huge shift to (desktop/etc) linux use hasn't happened yet, it's likely not gonna happen any time soon....well, barring things like what SV said and others happening, maybe.
yep , linux days wont happen

what i dont get linux fans always say so many people are pissed of by MS , then how come they didnt change their os?:O
truth is most people are completely fine with win10 and even if they try out linux they quickly jump back to win as it is way more user-friendly
Posted April 30, 2021
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GamezRanker: It can for some things, but let's be honest: if a huge shift to (desktop/etc) linux use hasn't happened yet, it's likely not gonna happen any time soon....well, barring things like what SV said and others happening, maybe.
The company currently profiting is... Apple. In Germany many schools and other public institutions are trying to get away from MS.

Of course Apple means just another vendor-lock-in for now, but this shows that MS is losing ground. And Apple is pricey. And it's already a Unix underneath - meaning people building knowledge there will have way less transition costs moving to Linux.

It may be different in the US, but in Europe there is a deep distrust in the way MS is going with Office 365 and all. People don't like it. The shackles might be the same with different vendors, but they are less obvious, and at least those companies still a care somewhat about quality and user experience.
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Orkhepaj: yep , linux days wont happen
I wouldn't say never...they might get more market share sooner or later....but it is a slim possibility that it will increase much, imo.

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Orkhepaj: what i dont get linux fans always say so many people are pissed of by MS , then how come they didnt change their os?:O
One would think the problems with Win10 would've at least dropped MS's market share in the desktop sector by a good margin...but they didn't....people are just used to what they're used to, and as long as it works(or they can configure it the way they want somehow) they usually stick with such instead of switching.

It's one of the same reasons people go to McDs and BK and other places over some more fancy food place: they just want a thing(in this case a burger or an OS), and to get it quick and easy

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Orkhepaj: truth is most people are completely fine with win10 and even if they try out linux they quickly jump back to win as it is way more user-friendly
More so I think it's the abundance of choice....as said in this same reply in the last reply bit above: people sometimes don't want to be overwhelmed with options and just want something simple and easy, that they know.
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GamezRanker: It can for some things, but let's be honest: if a huge shift to (desktop/etc) linux use hasn't happened yet, it's likely not gonna happen any time soon....well, barring things like what SV said and others happening, maybe.
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toxicTom: The company currently profiting is... Apple. In Germany many schools and other public institutions are trying to get away from MS.

Of course Apple means just another vendor-lock-in for now, but this shows that MS is losing ground. And Apple is pricey. And it's already a Unix underneath - meaning people building knowledge there will have way less transition costs moving to Linux.

It may be different in the US, but in Europe there is a deep distrust in the way MS is going with Office 365 and all. People don't like it. The shackles might be the same with different vendors, but they are less obvious, and at least those companies still a care somewhat about quality and user experience.
what transition cost are you talking about , I thought linux is free or something
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toxicTom: The company currently profiting is... Apple. In Germany many schools and other public institutions are trying to get away from MS.

Of course Apple means just another vendor-lock-in for now, but this shows that MS is losing ground. And Apple is pricey. And it's already a Unix underneath - meaning people building knowledge there will have way less transition costs moving to Linux.
This goes to show, imo, that price(linux being free and all) isn't everything for a number of people....some will buy something that's more expensive(or that has other negatives of purchasing it) for a number of reasons, such as simplicity of use(long ago iirc I recall apple being more or less set up so simple a young kid could use it...dunno about now, though) or brand recognition(many seem to love shiny apple stuff).

Sidenote: If anyone could get some of MS's desktop/laptop share, i'd guess it'd more likely be Apple than linux.

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toxicTom: It may be different in the US, but in Europe there is a deep distrust in the way MS is going with Office 365 and all. People don't like it. The shackles might be the same with different vendors, but they are less obvious, and at least those companies still a care somewhat about quality and user experience.
If the world in 2020 and 2021 has taught me anything, it's that people not liking something doesn't mean as much if no one does anything about it.

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Orkhepaj: what transition cost are you talking about , I thought linux is free or something
It costs money to train people in new OSs they're not used to, for one thing.
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Orkhepaj: yep , linux days wont happen
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GamezRanker: I wouldn't say never...they might get more market share sooner or later....but it is a slim possibility that it will increase much, imo.

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Orkhepaj: what i dont get linux fans always say so many people are pissed of by MS , then how come they didnt change their os?:O
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GamezRanker: One would think the problems with Win10 would've at least dropped MS's market share in the desktop sector by a good margin...but they didn't....people are just used to what they're used to, and as long as it works(or they can configure it the way they want somehow) they usually stick with such instead of switching.

It's one of the same reasons people go to McDs and BK and other places over some more fancy food place: they just want a thing(in this case a burger or an OS), and to get it quick and easy

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Orkhepaj: truth is most people are completely fine with win10 and even if they try out linux they quickly jump back to win as it is way more user-friendly
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GamezRanker: More so I think it's the abundance of choice....as said in this same reply in the last reply bit above: people sometimes don't want to be overwhelmed with options and just want something simple and easy, that they know.
Indeed if win10 would have a huge problem people would have ditched it already
it happened with IE or the other browser before it
people not switching away from win10 proves it is a good OS


Yep , the biggest problem with linux is the way too many distros
the win user asks whoooh so there is no standard linux just these types , then which one should I use
and the answer is try them out and use which you like
I dont get how do they expect normal users would like to try them out and tinker with their os daily ...
Posted April 30, 2021
The bubonic plague only had 50 million users.
Posted April 30, 2021
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GamezRanker: I wouldn't say never...they might get more market share sooner or later....but it is a slim possibility that it will increase much, imo.
I believe the issue of OS market shares in general are coming to an end. As more and more schools are dropping contracts with Apple and MS due to cost they are adopting Chrome OS because they are extremely affordable and come with no software license fee cost.

In the US alone many schools made this leap a 5 years back.

As the young get more time on X platform that platform takes center stage over time. For awhile it was Apple then it was MS stuff and now it's migrating to Chrome.

With more ppl going into browser based gaming and now cloud gaming, I believe the writing is on the wall.
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Orkhepaj: Indeed if win10 would have a huge problem people would have ditched it already
it happened with IE or the other browser before it
people not switching away from win10 proves it is a good OS
Well more so it does what most want from it, and many don't like(or seem to like) unnecessary change.

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Orkhepaj: Yep , the biggest problem with linux is the way too many distros
the win user asks whoooh so there is no standard linux just these types , then which one should I use
and the answer is try them out and use which you like
I dont get how do they expect normal users would like to try them out and tinker with their os daily ...
It's choice overload....too many options overwhelm some people.

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windows984ever: The bubonic plague only had 50 million users.
Back then that was a bigger chunk of the total population

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Arcadius-8606: I believe the issue of OS market shares in general are coming to an end. As more and more schools are dropping contracts with Apple and MS due to cost they are adopting Chrome OS because they are extremely affordable and come with no software license fee cost.
There will likely always....always....be market share(user share) for various OSs as long as there is more than 1 OS.
Post edited April 30, 2021 by GamezRanker
Posted April 30, 2021
Is anyone surprised when people really didnt have a choice?. (and no dont go on about linux....its bad enough people comment in this forum about x game having no linux version)....
Posted April 30, 2021
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GamezRanker: There will likely always....always....be market share(user share) for various OSs as long as there is more than 1 OS.
Correct but the herd is moving towards Android/Chrome OS.
Post edited April 30, 2021 by Arcadius-8606
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Niggles: Is anyone surprised when people really didnt have a choice?
One almost always has a choice.....sure, MS dominates atm(desktops/etc in homes, I mean), but there's still choice: such as people legally(and not so legally) modding/tweaking their versions of windows as they see fit.

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Niggles: (and no dont go on about linux....its bad enough people comment in this forum about x game having no linux version)....
Sidenote: some games don't have linux versions here because the rights holders sometimes differ for the same game between OS versions, and the ones who own the windows version might play ball with GOG while the ones owning the linux versions might choose not to.

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Arcadius-8606: Correct but the herd is moving towards Android/Chrome OS.
Eh, that's fine.... as long as new windows versions come out and/or I can still play games on windows, i'll just keep using what i'm used to while the youngins in generation a/xir pass me by.
Post edited April 30, 2021 by GamezRanker
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