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What are you waffling about now? I simply mean my suspicion was that Jorev was calling them virtue signallers because they were wearing masks rather than because of anything else. Jorev's titling of the thread is in effect a form of virtue signalling, just with a different target demographic. Jorev wants us all to know that they're a mask skeptic.

It's purely performative and arguably closer to virtue signalling than wearing a mask is.
You don't know whether someone is wearing a mask because they believe it helps or because they are "virtue signalling", but I can't see any explanation for Jorev titling the thread this way other than to make sure everyone knows their barely relevant (to the video) opinion.
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When I ask someone who is wearing a mask if they are an anti vaxxer, and what their motivation for wearing a mask is, the most common answer is that they already are vaccinated but they wear a mask anyways to show they are a good person and care about other people. That is classic virtue signaling, not science.

The fact you think posting an opinion suggests someone is obviously virtue signaling to their peers, people who agree with them, is more a reflection of your insecurities to be able to think and act outside of the mob.
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Jorev: When I ask someone who is wearing a mask if they are an anti vaxxer, and what their motivation for wearing a mask is, the most common answer is that they already are vaccinated but they wear a mask anyways to show they are a good person and care about other people. That is classic virtue signaling, not science.
That's extremely black and white thinking you're applying there. Being vaccinated does not mean you cannot get or spread covid. Wearing a mask after being vaccinated is simply a belt-and-braces approach: neither of them are anywhere near 100% effective but the benefits stack.

There's no reason to assume that there's anything performative about a vaccinated person wearing a mask - they could be wearing it because they believe it is safer for them or because they believe it is safer for others. Whether you agree with them or not is irrelevant, if they genuinely believe it helps then it isn't virtue signalling.
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Jorev: When I ask someone who is wearing a mask if they are an anti vaxxer, and what their motivation for wearing a mask is, the most common answer is that they already are vaccinated but they wear a mask anyways to show they are a good person and care about other people. That is classic virtue signaling, not science.
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my name is supyreor catte: That's extremely black and white thinking you're applying there. Being vaccinated does not mean you cannot get or spread covid. Wearing a mask after being vaccinated is simply a belt-and-braces approach: neither of them are anywhere near 100% effective but the benefits stack. There's no reason to assume that there's anything performative about a vaccinated person wearing a mask - they could be wearing it because they believe it is safer for them or because they believe it is safer for others. Whether you agree with them or not is irrelevant, if they genuinely believe it helps then it isn't virtue signalling.
We were always told the vaccines were 96% effective which leaves a 4% chance to get reinfected with milder symptoms since the vaccine still prevents serious illness if reinfected.
The only people who need to worry about being infected by a vaccinated person are the unvaccinated and they have to live or die with their choice. It's a personal choice which I support.
If you are vaccinated for Covid you are more likely to catch the common flu and die from it than Covid, yet no one promoted mask wearing to prevent common flu deaths. Strange isn't it? That suggests other motivations to wearing masks now.

Final 2019/20 Flu Numbers
The final data on flu season 2019/2020 was released by the CDC in April as COVID-19 continued to spread throughout the United States.

Between October 1, 2019 and April 4, 2020, the flu resulted in:

39 to 56 million illnesses
410,000 to 740,000 hospitalizations
24,000 to 62,000 deaths
195 pediatric deaths
Post edited September 17, 2021 by Jorev
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richlind33: Your identity crisis appears to have become a saga. Or is it some type of symbolic affectation relating to the neurodivergence fad?
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my name is supyreor catte: Do you mean my username? Since I only really come back here for the mafia games I change my username and title to reference the most recent game. But really, what's it to you?
It's interesting to me that picayune details have so much significance when our world is literally coming apart at the seams.
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my name is supyreor catte: That's extremely black and white thinking you're applying there. Being vaccinated does not mean you cannot get or spread covid. Wearing a mask after being vaccinated is simply a belt-and-braces approach: neither of them are anywhere near 100% effective but the benefits stack. There's no reason to assume that there's anything performative about a vaccinated person wearing a mask - they could be wearing it because they believe it is safer for them or because they believe it is safer for others. Whether you agree with them or not is irrelevant, if they genuinely believe it helps then it isn't virtue signalling.
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Jorev: We were always told the vaccines were 96% effective which leaves a 4% chance to get reinfected with milder symptoms since the vaccine still prevents serious illness if reinfected.
The only people who need to worry about being infected by a vaccinated person are the unvaccinated and they have to live or die with their choice. It's a personal choice which I support.
If you are vaccinated for Covid you are more likely to catch the common flu and die from it than Covid, yet no one promoted mask wearing to prevent common flu deaths. Strange isn't it? That suggests other motivations to wearing masks now.

Final 2019/20 Flu Numbers
The final data on flu season 2019/2020 was released by the CDC in April as COVID-19 continued to spread throughout the United States.

Between October 1, 2019 and April 4, 2020, the flu resulted in:

39 to 56 million illnesses
410,000 to 740,000 hospitalizations
24,000 to 62,000 deaths
195 pediatric deaths
4% is near enough a 1 in 20 chance of not working. Besides, you've done nothing to address my actual point:

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my name is supyreor catte: Whether you agree with them or not is irrelevant, if they genuinely believe it helps then it isn't virtue signalling.
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my name is supyreor catte: Do you mean my username? Since I only really come back here for the mafia games I change my username and title to reference the most recent game. But really, what's it to you?
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richlind33: It's interesting to me that picayune details have so much significance when our world is literally coming apart at the seams.
You are the one who has placed significance on my username. Why are you wasting your time here when the world needs saving?
Post edited September 17, 2021 by my name is supyreor catte
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Jorev: When I ask someone who is wearing a mask (safety snip) what their motivation for wearing a mask is, the most common answer is that they already are vaccinated but they wear a mask anyways to show they are a good person and care about other people. That is classic virtue signaling, not science.
Plus i've seen a number of people online (social media/etc) doing things like taking mask/vacc selfies, usually with captions saying how good they're trying to be for others.....and it's many, many people. If that's not virtue signaling, I don't know what is.

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Jorev: The fact you think posting an opinion suggests someone is obviously virtue signaling to their peers, people who agree with them.....
But it is.....at least in part.....even if the one doing so does so without knowing(i.e. subconsciously).

As someone I know once told me....many people virtue signal, and sometimes without knowing it. Of course, sometimes it can be for good/selfless reasons, but it's still a form of such, even in such cases.

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Being vaccinated does not mean you cannot get or spread covid.
This is true, and spot on.

There's no reason to assume that there's anything performative about a vaccinated person wearing a mask - they could be wearing it because they believe it is safer for them or because they believe it is safer for others.
One can(and a number of others often do online/IRL) do both....i.e. wear it for said reasons and also to virtue signal. Neither need be mutually exclusive from the other.

....if they genuinely believe it helps then it isn't virtue signalling.
This is actually incorrect.....just because someone believes an action they take is good/for the greater good, that doesn't mean they can't/don't virtue signal while doing so.....it just becomes subconscious/not seen as virtue signaling to a number of them.

(example: some people donating money to a charity they like/believe in, then telling people about it online. Many do so to help others/to do good, and that in itself should be enough, but a number of those then still often feel the need to post about such online.....usually then getting thanks/upvotes/etc from others. They may not always do so for those reasons [getting praised for such] consciously, but it's often still virtue signaling)
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richlind33: It's interesting to me that picayune details have so much significance when our world is literally coming apart at the seams.
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my name is supyreor catte: You are the one who has placed significance on my username. Why are you wasting your time here when the world needs saving?
I think there's some significance to how frequently you change it, not the username per se.

Why do any of us waste time here when our world is going up in flames? That's a valid question, especially as we're discouraged from even discussing it -- or anything else of significance. I think I'm here less than you are these days, and spend far less time jousting on the interwebz than I used to.

And with that I shall let you get back to defending the sacred tribal GOGlands from alt.right depredations. ;p

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richlind33: Are you neurodivergent? ;p
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HappyPunkPotato: I am. What's your problem?
Which one? o.O
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richlind33: Why do any of us waste time here when our world is going up in flames?
My guesses: wanting to stay with the comfort of bread and circuses(i.e. games/game talk, in the case of GOG) and/or because Ignorance Is Bliss

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richlind33: And with that I shall let you get back to defending the sacred tribal GOGlands....
There's no need for any more defenders: I already hired this totally dependable looking chap
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richlind33: Why do any of us waste time here when our world is going up in flames?
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GamezRanker: My guesses: wanting to stay with the comfort of bread and circuses(i.e. games/game talk, in the case of GOG) and/or because Ignorance Is Bliss

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richlind33: And with that I shall let you get back to defending the sacred tribal GOGlands....
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GamezRanker: There's no need for any more defenders: I already hired this totally dependable looking chap
Sorry GR, but that just won't do. Too oppressive. How about this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_1TDrwaMOc
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richlind33: Sorry GR, but that just won't do. Too oppressive. How about this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_1TDrwaMOc
*Random batman and power ranger* Lol
(this clip takes me back......i've seen the animated one as well)

Sadly, tho, that nice Xir isn't needed:
We already have this fine pair
And their 'happy fun box'
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richlind33: Sorry GR, but that just won't do. Too oppressive. How about this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_1TDrwaMOc
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GamezRanker: *Random batman and power ranger* Lol
(this clip takes me back......i've seen the animated one as well)

Sadly, tho, that nice Xir isn't needed:
We already have this fine pair
And their 'happy fun box'
happy happy , little too happy
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Orkhepaj: happy happy , little too happy
You forgot the "cool fun locks! yeah!"
And it's supposed to be happy....in *current year* everyone is supposed to be happy, and never ever offend(even unintentionally)....didn't ya get your pamphlet and handbook yet? ;)
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Orkhepaj: happy happy , little too happy
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GamezRanker: You forgot the "cool fun locks! yeah!"
And it's supposed to be happy....in *current year* everyone is supposed to be happy, and never ever offend(even unintentionally)....didn't ya get your pamphlet and handbook yet? ;)
yes , it even had some happy pills to take if you are not happy enough
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Orkhepaj: yes , it even had some happy pills to take if you are not happy enough
Those were M&Ms. ;D

Btw, since you found those a bit too happy, we hired this guy.
(he's a wee bit less happy, but sadly also somewhat creepy...oh well, at least we tried)
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Orkhepaj: yes , it even had some happy pills to take if you are not happy enough
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GamezRanker: Those were M&Ms. ;D

Btw, since you found those a bit too happy, we hired this guy.
(he's a wee bit less happy, but sadly also somewhat creepy...oh well, at least we tried)
what a happy dystopia , happiness taking over the world you have to be happy :P
Post edited September 17, 2021 by Orkhepaj